2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Steel Saints]

Rugby League is behind a paywall really. We have had three games on FTA (for a very long time) and it hasn’t hurt our ratings too much. Really why would you watch Channel Nine?

Unless you are say the A-League who have always struggled for viewership, are in a fairly precarious condition and need to be on FTA as a result, I don’t think it means that much nowadays

Funnily enough, there's more FTA NRL than ever before. For seven rounds per year, Nine do show four games. They do show the Good Friday and ANZAC Day as the fourth game in that week. And in the last five rounds, Nine broadcast the Saturday night match.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Vlandys just the latest in a line of cowards. Only two who've stood up to Tv is Smith and Greenberg and they both got sacked for it. Brave sport run by cowards.

Smith?
You mean they guy who took the $1B off Gyngel (then nine selling them to Fox, which should have been NRL money), provoking Murdoch to say "we've always preferred AFL" then giving them a record amount, to which this day we havent been able to catch up to what they give the AFL.
You know, all those 'reasons' you go on about how the AFL get more bla.blah, blah, can be traced back to Smith fecking up the negotiations.
That is why he got sacked, stop trying to create a new narrative, it's another lie.
Oh thats right, he is an Englishman..... no wonder you cannot see the damage he caused.

 

[Perth Red]

Smith?
You mean they guy who took the $1B off Gyngel (then nine selling them to Fox, which should have been NRL money), provoking Murdoch to say "we've always preferred AFL" then giving them a record amount, to which this day we havent been able to catch up to what they give the AFL.
You know, all those 'reasons' you go on about how the AFL get more bla.blah, blah, can be traced back to Smith fecking up the negotiations.
That is why he got sacked, stop trying to create a new narrative, it's another lie.
Oh thats right, he is an Englishman..... no wonder you cannot see the damage he caused.

Smith delivered a record FTA tv Deal, $60mil a year more than it ended up being after he was forced out. They should have had the balls to see it out and let him go to war with Fox. fox needs the NRL as much a the NRL needs Fox. He mght have been the man to close the gap on the AFL, no one has succeeded since.

ps He was Welsh you dumbarse lol

 

[bad boy bubby]

Smith delivered a record FTA tv Deal, $60mil a year more than it ended up being after he was forced out. They should have had the balls to see it out and let him go to war with Fox. fox needs the NRL as much a the NRL needs Fox. He mght have been the man to close the gap on the AFL, no one has succeeded since.

ps He was Welsh you dumbarse lol

Another lie, keep it going. Fox gave him the finger then gave nine the extra money they would have given the NRL. It was a record because a News Ltd stooge had been in there for years. We have received more since Smith was sacked.
Another case of you trying to change the course of history because of PVL and his view of Perth.
You do realise you are that transparent.

English, Welsh, Scots.... all in need of a shower, makes no difference.

 

[The_Wookie]

No, Nine said 5 mill, prob, $2m Sky and 8- 10m Fox.. so around 12 to 15m but then again it will be nothing what the AFL announce, it will be huge contra to pad out biggest? deal ever in the world.. Notice paramount paid Billions for the Champion league this week, why don't the AFL accept the $600 million, I just don't know why?

It was reported that a significant part of the increase from SkyNZ was contra.

Note that AFL contra has been consistently lower than NRL contra for years.

 

[Perth Red]

Another lie, keep it going. Fox gave him the finger then gave nine the extra money they would have given the NRL. It was a record because a News Ltd stooge had been in there for years. We have received more since Smith was sacked.
Another case of you trying to change the course of history because of PVL and his view of Perth.
You do realise you are that transparent.

English, Welsh, Scots.... all in need of a shower, makes no difference.

Smith delivered a (still by a long way) record FTA deal of $185million. This was reduced after he was booted to $125million. He was not given the opportunity to see what he would have got out of Fox. Those are the facts, plain and simple.

He pissed News ltd off by getting a record deal with Nine, NRL went weak at the knees at Murdochs bluster (as they did a few years later at Ch9's assassination of Greenberg because he didnt want to give them a massive covid discount), we ended up with $31mill a year less then AFL in the wash up (actually $39mill cash less).
Even if we had got $200mill from Fox instead of $240mill we'd have still been significantly ahead of where it ended up. Weak as pss.

 

[The_Wookie]

is a breakaway completion a possible reality in AFL? I’m not sure how the clubs are structured but if Fox doesn’t get what it wants, could it cook up a super league type competition

It wasnt possible in the 90s, its even less possible now. Between the franchise agreements, the AFL owning the IP of all clubs, and the AFL being a party to all stadium usage agreements, theres just no room to move.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Smith delivered a (still by a long way) record FTA deal of $185million. This was reduced after he was booted to $125million. He was not given the opportunity to see what he would have got out of Fox. Those are the facts, plain and simple.

He pissed News ltd off by getting a record deal with Nine, NRL went weak at the knees at Murdochs bluster (as they did a few years later at Ch9's assassination of Greenberg because he didnt want to give them a massive covid discount), we ended up with $31mill a year less then AFL in the wash up (actually $39mill cash less).
Even if we had got $200mill from Fox instead of $240mill we'd have still been significantly ahead of where it ended up. Weak as pss.

So you agree, he pandered to 9 for the sake of fecking around Fox. Despite Fox being the real main player in the negotiations as they show every game.
Thanks for clearing that up.

No wonder he was turfed.

 

[Perth Red]

So you agree, he pandered to 9 for the sake of fecking around Fox. Despite Fox being the real main player in the negotiations as they show every game.
Thanks for clearing that up.

No wonder he was turfed.

He got a record deal from FTA, $60million a year MORE!!
$50million a year MORE than the deal signed 7 years later. More than what Seven were paying AFL by $38million a year! Just let that sink in for a minute......

with $205mill banked from Nine and SkyNZ he only needed to get more than $180mill from Fox and we were ahead of what it ended up being. Allowing live simucast of every game should have been enough to get it there easily. That was a game changer for Fox. Many don't know but part of the deal was for the NRL to also get full control of scheduling so it could put the best games in the best slots for attracting fans.

he should have been given the opportunity to have a crack at fox next. First time since 1996 someone has dared to not bend over and lube up for Murdoch! Fox weren't walking away from NRL, Smith knew it and was playing them. Grant and the other ARLC cronies wilted as soon as the heat was turned up.

 

[bad boy bubby]

He got a record deal from FTA, $60million a year MORE!!
$50million a year MORE than the deal signed 7 years later. More than what Seven were paying AFL. Just let that sink in for a minute......

with $205mill banked from Nine and SkyNZ he only needed to get more than $180mill from Fox and we were ahead of what it ended up being. Allowing live simucast of every game should have been enough to get it there easily. That was a game changer for Fox.

he should have been given the opportunity to have a crack at fox next. First time since 1996 someone has dared to not bend over and lube up for Murdoch! Fox werent walking away from NRL, Smith knew it and was playing them. Grant and the other ARLC cronies wilted as soon as the heat was turned up.

None of us on here knows what went on behind the scenes after that stoush, including you. That's a hypothetical scenario, I'll give you another one.
Fox now has to deal with CH9 to try and buy their Saturday game off them to keep their Super Saturdays, which were a ratings bonanza for them. CH9 knows this and holds Fox to a bit of ransom, gets a great deal which also means they made a profit by making the deal with Smith first and onselling to Fox.
Fox is then pretty pissed off, they are now having to make some sort of deal with CH9 and the NRL, all because of one game a week. They tell Grant, "if you bring that fecking kent into negotiations you will not be getting anything above X amount. Dont bring him and we guarantee you at the least Y amount, maybe more"

Grant, as the Commissioner, has to do the right thing by the NRL. Bye bye Smithy.

I suppose this whole thread is about hypotheticals, so this line all fits in.

 

[Perth Red]

None of us on here knows what went on behind the scenes after that stoush, including you. That's a hypothetical scenario, I'll give you another one.
Fox now has to deal with CH9 to try and buy their Saturday game off them to keep their Super Saturdays, which were a ratings bonanza for them. CH9 knows this and holds Fox to a bit of ransom, gets a great deal which also means they made a profit by making the deal with Smith first and onselling to Fox.
Fox is then pretty pissed off, they are now having to make some sort of deal with CH9 and the NRL, all because of one game a week. They tell Grant, "if you bring that fecking kent into negotiations you will not be getting anything above X amount. Dont bring him and we guarantee you at the least Y amount, maybe more"

Grant, as the Commissioner, has to do the right thing by the NRL. Bye bye Smithy.

I suppose this whole thread is about hypotheticals, so this line all fits in.

it is and dealing in facts what we do know is Smith signed a record FTA deal that dwarfed AFL's FTA deal. and got back control of game scheduling. That's the only fact. Anything else is speculation about what might or might not have happened next. So you're basing your call on him on a hypothetical, I'm basing it on what he actually delivered.

 

[bad boy bubby]

it is and dealing in facts what we do know is Smith signed a record FTA deal that dwarfed AFL's FTA deal. and got back control of game scheduling. That's the only fact. Anything else is speculation about what might or might not have happened next. So you're basing your call on him on a hypothetical, I'm basing it on what he actually delivered.

Not all, facts are Fox had to buy the games off CH9. Facts are they did have to negotiate with both the NRL and 9.
Recognise that the money that CH9 onsold the rights for technically takes off their 925m deal, as that was just Fox money given to 9, and add it onto Fox's deal.
Yes speculative the other scenarios.
I find it hard to believe they would have sacked him if they felt he was going to get a greater deal off Fox.
"Smith is going to get even more off Fox now, lets sack him".
You could be right, the NRL may have just been the dumbest Commission in the world at the time if that happened.

 

[Wb1234]

Smith?
You mean they guy who took the $1B off Gyngel (then nine selling them to Fox, which should have been NRL money), provoking Murdoch to say "we've always preferred AFL" then giving them a record amount, to which this day we havent been able to catch up to what they give the AFL.
You know, all those 'reasons' you go on about how the AFL get more bla.blah, blah, can be traced back to Smith fecking up the negotiations.
That is why he got sacked, stop trying to create a new narrative, it's another lie.
Oh thats right, he is an Englishman..... no wonder you cannot see the damage he caused.

Nailed it

nine stole the rights from the nrl

 

[Iamback]

Not all, facts are Fox had to buy the games off CH9. Facts are they did have to negotiate with both the NRL and 9.
Recognise that the money that CH9 onsold the rights for technically takes off their 925m deal, as that was just Fox money given to 9, and add it onto Fox's deal.
Yes speculative the other scenarios.
I find it hard to believe they would have sacked him if they felt he was going to get a greater deal off Fox.
"Smith is going to get even more off Fox now, lets sack him".
You could be right, the NRL may have just been the dumbest Commission in the world at the time if that happened.

$925m - whatever the Sat FTA game cost was what ch9 paid.

 

[Perth Red]

Not all, facts are Fox had to buy the games off CH9. Facts are they did have to negotiate with both the NRL and 9.
Recognise that the money that CH9 onsold the rights for technically takes off their 925m deal, as that was just Fox money given to 9, and add it onto Fox's deal.
Yes speculative the other scenarios.
I find it hard to believe they would have sacked him if they felt he was going to get a greater deal off Fox.
"Smith is going to get even more off Fox now, lets sack him".
You could be right, the NRL may have just been the dumbest Commission in the world at the time if that happened.

Yeh true but the Smith FTA deal was for $60mill more than it ended up being. How we went from $185mill to only $125 mill for FTA then only $240mill from Fox despite them getting everything they wanted is one of life's mysteries! (Only matched by how we gave them extra content, Brisbane, closed digital media down and closed down Telstra streaming and still only got the same $240mill this time!)

There is no way in the world the Sat night was worth $60mill to Fox. They basically paid AFL same as NRL without the Saturday night included in AFL rights so I dont see how that could be.

I'm sure fox put pressure on the commission to have him removed as they knew he wasn't going to let them have their way. The News ltd media started attacking him and the commission wilted. soft cocks the lot of them! I mean if we had ended up topping the AFL's $416mill then I could have lived with them caving in, but to then still come up $39mill cash a year less and lose the CEO in the process is just so NRL!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I wish we weren't stuck with Foxtel until 2027.

The best outcome is a deal with Stan to broadcast every match in Ultra HD with four games on Ch9. For about $27 we would have all that and access to TV shows and movies. That's a far better option for families than Kayo.

 

[Wb1234]

I wish we weren't stuck with Foxtel until 2027.

The best outcome is a deal with Stan to broadcast every match in Ultra HD with four games on Ch9. For about $27 we would have all that and access to TV shows and movies. That's a far better option for families than Kayo.

It wasn’t even six months when vlandys signed the fox deal that stan bid for union (after getting us to take a lay cut)

if he had his time again he wouldn’t have stopped the comp and wouldn’t have panicked that tv compnaies were going broke

 

[colly]

It was

It was reported that a significant part of the increase from SkyNZ was contra.

Note that AFL contra has been consistently lower than NRL contra for years.

reported by Dill himself ( just after the signing) that in the 2017-2022 contract he admitted that $200m was contra in the 2.47b Six year agreement- them the facts. Seven was $60m so that would leave Foxtel with apox $140m.

 

[Perth Red]

It was

reported by Dill himself ( just after the signing) that in the 2017-2022 contract he admitted that $200m was contra in the 2.47b Six year agreement- them the facts. Seven was $60m so that would leave Foxtel with apox $140m.

Rubbish, the afl contra was $16mill a year as evidenced in their financial annual reports.

 

[colly]

The original 2017-22 deal was
7 Network $840m cash +$60m contra advertising
Foxtel.... $1,168m cash + $140m contra advertising
Telstra ..... $300m cash

Cash $2,308m + $200m contra advertising = $2,508m

Rubbish, the afl contra was $16mill a year as evidenced in their financial annual reports.