2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

If you don't believe in yourself no-one else will! We have the biggest tv audience of any sport, bring in Perth and plan for Adelaide and we have a greater national reach than AFL, plan for NZ2 and we have international rights that AFL will never have, we have Origin. Its time our leaders grew some balls and took our game to where it should be!

 

[Cumberland Throw]

So have all prepared to be beat by 1m plus by the AFL in the GF ratings.. Swans will make sure it will be 4m for them

 

[Steel Saints]

Exactly. It is time to puff our chest out a little and respect ourselves.

It's the same with players receiving criticism in the papers. They take out the negative quotes, put it on the walls in their dressing room before the game, get fired up and away they go.

And the commission should do the same when they take the rights to the marketplace.

The game has got alot to offer. Origin and tests football, expansion, very good in the ratings etc.

 

[Colk]

So have all prepared to be beat by 1m plus by the AFL in the GF ratings.. Swans will make sure it will be 4m for them

Hope the Cowboys win then

 

[Perth Red]

So have all prepared to be beat by 1m plus by the AFL in the GF ratings.. Swans will make sure it will be 4m for them

But I thought no-one in Sydney watched AFL and they have been wasting their money all this time?

Cowboys v Souths is our best hope for TV numbers I'd suggest. Panthers v Eels probably lowest drawing of the possible line ups.

 

[Iamback]

Anti-siphoning is an "incentive"?! To what, producing a lacsadaisical and lazy free to air TV cartel? It sure as heck isn't to providing quality TV programming.

How much do you think it costs to produce a game of footy? $100k

That is a fair outlay, Having sole rights to the big games makes it worthwhile for the lesser games that lose money

Everyone here hates News Limited but imagine the only news was SkyNews?

Sport keeps FTA viable and as a result you can have multiple news sources, The local content quota helps both of those

 

[Cumberland Throw]

But I thought no-one in Sydney watched AFL and they have been wasting their money all this time?

Cowboys v Souths is our best hope for TV numbers I'd suggest. Panthers v Eels probably lowest drawing of the possible line ups.

Its been proven many many times if Swans make GF, around extra 500k-600k of sydney people will tune in...

 

[Colk]

Its been proven many many times if Swans make GF, around extra 500k-600k of sydney people will tune in...

He was being facetious but yes it is good news for those w******

 

[Colk]

How much do you think it costs to produce a game of footy? $100k

That is a fair outlay, Having sole rights to the big games makes it worthwhile for the lesser games that lose money

Everyone here hates News Limited but imagine the only news was SkyNews?

Sport keeps FTA viable and as a result you can have multiple news sources, The local content quota helps both of those

You raise good points however it is a double edged sword.

The coverage from Nine has been appalling for a long time. A lot of that is due to the ARLC but some of it is also due to anti-siphoning laws. They haven’t been threatened or pushed to improve their standards.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

So who else feels Vlandys is about to drop is deeper in it with a panic sale extension with Fox until 2031? I suspect a ninth game will be put on the table for them and may see an annual increase on our PTV deal of $30-50mill, being optimistic.

I am legitimately worried this is on the cards.

 

[Wb1234]

So have all prepared to be beat by 1m plus by the AFL in the GF ratings.. Swans will make sure it will be 4m for them

It’s ok we beat them by 30 million over the regular season we can afford to give the fumblers some late season consolation wins

 

[Wb1234]

Its been proven many many times if Swans make GF, around extra 500k-600k of sydney people will tune in...

Maybe the afl should go back to rigging the comp by giving the swans, lions, giants and suns extra salary cap room

let’s say those teams make the grand final on a rotational basis every year for a few decades then alf could finally make serious inroads in nsw and qld

 

[Captain Apollo]

You raise good points however it is a double edged sword.

The coverage from Nine has been appalling for a long time. A lot of that is due to the ARLC but some of it is also due to anti-siphoning laws. They haven’t been threatened or pushed to improve their standards.

Indeed. I'm no fan of Murdoch or News Ltd, but the anti-siphoning legislation hobbles all pay TV ventures in Australia. The only organisations it favours is FTA TV Channels as it reduces any competition for content, which means it drives down prices.

I mean when was the last time an Australian FTA Channel had some truly innovative or original shows on its stations? No, let's have another season of The Block, My Kitchen Rules, The Voice, The Amazing Race or even Big Brother! or yes, let's re-run, for the umpteenth time MASH or Friends. That's why many people switch off FTA in Australia its cheap, reality shows or re-runs airing.

The execx running our TV networks only look at cost. They don't work on the maxim, which most decent enterpreneurs do, that it takes money to make money. In the US, or the UK, when they cover a live sporting event even when it is thought it will be a blow out, they promote it, they talk it up, they give it a gold standard of coverage. They don't treat it with disdain like Channel 9 does.

I mean who can forget Channel 9 when they first got the TV rights in 1992 cutting footage from the 3.00 pm game for the delayed coverage of it, so that it would not effect the 6.00 pm news? How little has changed when they've done things like that, or like in 2008 when they showed the Warriors v Roosters final on delay so it would not effect the 6.00 pm news even though they had a contractual obligation with the NRL to show it live?

Iamback I can understand where you are coming from, but I'm looking at it from a wider perspective. Whilst the anti-siphoning system stays as is, little will change in relation to TV sports coverage. There will be no incentive for any of the FTA Channels to lift their games, and all sports will be handicapped in terms of revenue maximisation for its TV rights. Not all the issues stem from this. The NRL and now the ARLC take some of the blame in what has occurred. But both areas need addressing if rugby league is to maximise its TV rights revenue potential.

 

[Perth Red]

FTA is only paying around $90million a year for 3 games a week of NRL + exclusive GF . I wonder how much those 3 games and GF would get if sold to a streaming service?


Imagine a world where we have 10 games to sell and 7 are sold to Fox, 3 to Paramount or Stan and 2 of them are simucast on ABC on a Friday night and Sunday afternoon, along with some NRLW games. These two are given to ABC for free (in return for some Fed favours). Origin, test matches and GF (must be screened free) is sold as package to highest bidder.
If that doesnt fetch more than $600mill, I don't know what will!

 

[Colk]

Indeed. I'm no fan of Murdoch or News Ltd, but the anti-siphoning legislation hobbles all pay TV ventures in Australia. The only organisations it favours is FTA TV Channels as it reduces any competition for content, which means it drives down prices.

I mean when was the last time an Australian FTA Channel had some truly innovative or original shows on its stations? No, let's have another season of The Block, My Kitchen Rules, The Voice, The Amazing Race or even Big Brother! or yes, let's re-run, for the umpteenth time MASH or Friends. That's why many people switch off FTA in Australia its cheap, reality shows or re-runs airing.

The execx running our TV networks only look at cost. They don't work on the maxim, which most decent enterpreneurs do, that it takes money to make money. In the US, or the UK, when they cover a live sporting event even when it is thought it will be a blow out, they promote it, they talk it up, they give it a gold standard of coverage. They don't treat it with disdain like Channel 9 does.

I mean who can forget Channel 9 when they first got the TV rights in 1992 cutting footage from the 3.00 pm game for the delayed coverage of it, so that it would not effect the 6.00 pm news? How little has changed when they've done things like that, or like in 2008 when they showed the Warriors v Roosters final on delay so it would not effect the 6.00 pm news even though they had a contractual obligation with the NRL to show it live?

Iamback I can understand where you are coming from, but I'm looking at it from a wider perspective. Whilst the anti-siphoning system stays as is, little will change in relation to TV sports coverage. There will be no incentive for any of the FTA Channels to lift their games, and all sports will be handicapped in terms of revenue maximisation for its TV rights. Not all the issues stem from this. The NRL and now the ARLC take some of the blame in what has occurred. But both areas need addressing if rugby league is to maximise its TV rights revenue potential.

Don’t also forget that they have had two of their presenters, namely Paul Gallen and Andrew Johns, openly admonish expansion and even called for a reduction in teams because the standard wasn’t good enough in their opinion.

 

[Perth Red]

Don’t also forget that they have had two of their presenters, namely Paul Gallen and Andrew Johns, openly admonish expansion and even called for a reduction in teams because the standard wasn’t good enough in their opinion.

I wouldnt hold too much stead, they change their mind with their boxers! Gallen and Johns have both supported Perth inclusion, Johns has also said CC is a no brainer and then advocated for a Pacific Isl team in NZ lol

Johns lol:

Gallop's preliminary support for a Perth side came as league legend Andrew Johns described the potential WA team as a "no brainer".

“At the Central Coast they have a stadium up there and they have a huge junior base. “There are so many players play up there, so you can get the best kids aspiring to play for the Central Coast … so for me it's a no-brainer.”

“I think the next team that comes in should play out of Wellington and play under a Pasifika sort of brand,” Johns said.

The 8th Immortal Andrew Johns has has told Triple M, he believes the Queensland need two more teams in the NRL. Johns would like to see a second Brisbane team and a Central Queensland side added to the competition.

"I think the ideal number to start with is 14 teams and then eventually going down to 12 teams where everyone plays each other twice."

Probably best not to listen to what Andrew Johns thinks! lol.

 

[Colk]

I wouldnt hold too much stead, they change their mind with their boxers! Gallen and Johns have both supported Perth inclusion, Johns has also said CC is a no brainer and then advocated for a Pacific Isl team in NZ lol

Johns lol:

Gallop's preliminary support for a Perth side came as league legend Andrew Johns described the potential WA team as a "no brainer".

“At the Central Coast they have a stadium up there and they have a huge junior base. “There are so many players play up there, so you can get the best kids aspiring to play for the Central Coast … so for me it's a no-brainer.”

“I think the next team that comes in should play out of Wellington and play under a Pasifika sort of brand,” Johns said.

The 8th Immortal Andrew Johns has has told Triple M, he believes the Queensland need two more teams in the NRL. Johns would like to see a second Brisbane team and a Central Queensland side added to the competition.

"I think the ideal number to start with is 14 teams and then eventually going down to 12 teams where everyone plays each other twice."

Probably best not to listen to what Andrew Johns thinks! lol.

I totally agree with you. Andrew Johns and making business decisions doesn’t mix.

The problem is that there are likely people who will follow what he says because of his position in the game and secondly (and most importantly) he is paid handsomely by our FTA broadcaster to in turn promote the game. Calling for reduced teams seems to run in stark contradiction to that edict.

 

[Perth Red]

Will be interesting if KAYO rises to cover cost of AFL in 2025 if people find "alternative" ways of watching NRL. Getting a VPN and a Watch NRL overseas subscription could be a lot cheaper!

 

[Desert Qlder]

Any ratings win good PR will be swamped by their racism this year.

Can’t win em all.

 

[westerntiger]

Andrew Johns has also supported the Central Coast bid and has said that the league should be cut to 12 teams.