2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[baselinepanther]

Fight club if you want to talk afl. I’ll,start a thread just for you and I so people who want to actually read about the nrl deal here can without you spamming this thread up.

people who want to read about the deal without an agenda attached ?

well then you'd best leave eh

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There was no need to renogtiate beyond 2022 in 2020. as it played out covid had little effect on number of games shown.
the irony is tv audiences have gone up during covid and fta tv advertising revenue went through the roof last year for a record revenue generation. i understand the need t9 negotiate for 20&21, though I still think we got stiffed and the public comments by Ch9 during that period were totally unacceptable from a so called partner of the game.

there was no need to accept a $100million reduction from ptv in 2020 for a deal that wasnt going to start for 3 years and would run until 2027. The uncertainty put us in a weak position and it told accordingly with what Vlandys accepted from his news ltd mates, A ONE HUNDRED million dollar reduction!

Wasn't the rationale behind extending with Foxtel until 2027 due to the uncertainty of Australia's Pay TV market?

Foxtel was mired in debt and losing sports to new streaming services. None of the new streaming services are willing to pay what Foxtel offer for exclusive content. Getting Foxtel to formally agree to $240m a year until 2027 gave us security in case the company became even weaker. No point negotiating with Foxtel for a short term deal that only extends to 2024 if the company is in such bad shape it cannot offer $240m a year. Foxtel has shed sports like EPL, A-League, NBL and Super Rugby to free up money so they can hang onto the big guns.

 

[Colk]

rubbish
we can compare years 18 to 22 quite easily
both affected by covid

But it is slightly extraneous to whether or not this new deal is good, bad or indifferent.

Both codes essentially made the same decision to re-negotiate their existing deals because of COVID. They both were possibility guilty in negotiating those deals for the length of time that they did and from a position of weakness.

However, notwithstanding the history, I would have thought that you could only judge the totality of this deal against that of fumbleball, once they have negotiated their new deal, not their temporary re-negotiated one which will run until 2024 and we will no longer be as of 2023.

If the gap is substantial or has increased then it is a bad deal, if the gap is the same, then it is indifferent and if we have narrowed the gap on the new deal then it is a positive. We can also properly assess the merits of the 17th side, what we have gained and given away etc and all these other points and compare it to theirs once we know the finer details of their new deal.

Until such time, you are not really assessing like for like.

 

[Colk]

Utter bullshit about being a mistake renogiating during Covid .
There was no other choice .
If games couldn't be played then those sports have not delivered the content they were contracted to deliver .
There was no other choice .
No other media companies were interested so it was sit down & renegotiate with FTA & STV .

Fair enough but V’landys shouldn’t have re-negotiated for the length of time that he did.

 

[baselinepanther]

But it is slightly extraneous to whether or not this new deal is good, bad or indifferent.

Both codes essentially made the same decision to re-negotiate their existing deals because of COVID. They both were possibility guilty in negotiating those deals for the length of time that they did and from a position of weakness.

However, notwithstanding the history, I would have thought that you could only judge the totality of this deal against that of fumbleball, once they have negotiated their new deal, not their temporary re-negotiated one which will run until 2024 and we will no longer be as of 2023.

If the gap is substantial or has increased then it is a bad deal, if the gap is the same, then it is indifferent and if we have narrowed the gap on the new deal then it is a positive. We can also properly assess the merits of the 17th side, what we have gained and given away etc and all these other points and compare it to theirs once we know the finer details of their new deal.

Until such time, you are not really assessing like for like.

again rubbish
the deal renegotiated or otherwise was a ... new deal
not temporary at all & it was for a period of 5 years not 2, 2020-24

we smoked them
not so much because ours is great ... theres is terrible

remember this ?
It is the first time since 1971 that the AFL has signed a reduced broadcast agreement.

 

[baselinepanther]

Fair enough but V’landys shouldn’t have re-negotiated for the length of time that he did.

rubbish again...why ?
it may have been to our advantage & may still be
as Donkeys pointed out, foxtel are not travelling too well , mired in debt because of the changing landscape
streaming services are killing them , hell 33% of their sports subscribers have opted for the much cheaper KAYO

it could be that by 2024 they may not be able to pay anything like 240 million a year due to falling revenue & the poor old AFL might cop it up the bum again

but not the NRL
we're locked in

 

[Perth Red]

Im also the poster who highlighted the AFL's dreadful efforts in these deals too but.....
you don't seem to want to talk about those hey ?

happy to. In the fight club we’re such non nrl talk belongs. come on down…..

 

[Perth Red]

PR .
You have repeatedly talked up the AFL deal .
You have stated you compare deals as they are our main competitor .
Now you weasel out when asked questions about the afl deal .
Weak as piss .
If you don't want to discuss the afl deal then don't praise it repeatedly in this thread .

Happy to but that was all this thread was becoming about, better it is taken where it belongs so this thread can be about the nrl deal.

it was like literally every post response was being deflected to being about afls deal instead of answering/discussing the details of the nrl deal.

Maybe a moderator could help if people can’t control themselves?

 

[baselinepanther]

happy to. In the fight club we’re such non nrl talk belongs. come on down…..

sure

will tear you a new one there too

 

[Perth Red]

rubbish again...why ?
it may have been to our advantage & may still be
as Donkeys pointed out, foxtel are not travelling too well , mired in debt because of the changing landscape
streaming services are killing them , hell 33% of their sports subscribers have opted for the much cheaper KAYO

it could be that by 2024 they may not be able to pay anything like 240 million a year due to falling revenue & the poor old AFL might cop it up the bum again

but not the NRL
we're locked in

could be that is the case, and if it turns out that way we will all hail vlad as visionary, but if not he has screwed us big time.

or it’s possible that streaming services will have entered the sports market even more and there is more much more competition for ptv rights in the next few years.

only time will tell.

 

[Perth Red]

sure

will tear you a new one there too

in your mind only……

 

[baselinepanther]

Happy to but that was all this thread was becoming about, better it is taken where it belongs so this thread can be about the nrl deal.

it was like literally every post response was being deflected to being about afls deal instead of answering/discussing the details of the nrl deal.

Maybe a moderator could help if people can’t control themselves?

moderators take action against agenda driven drivel too dopey
so
i'd be careful calling on them you moron lol

 

[baselinepanther]

in your mind only……

in everyones mind in here ...except yours

exposed as a RL/ PVL hating.. AFL loving moron here by me
well everyone knew to be fair
& will in the fight club too

 

[Perth Red]

moderators take action against agenda driven drivel too dopey
so
i'd be careful calling on them you moron lol

And here we go with the insults again lol. got to love a keyboard warrior, so tough.

 

[baselinepanther]

And here we go with the insults again lol. got to love a keyboard warrior, so tough.

insults ?

i thought i was being kind hahahah

 

[Idris 84]

Did you guys know that the lady that had a role created for her just recently as head of digital at the nrl, worked the previous decade at channel 9 in a similar role. She was the one that basically killed of the nrl digital arm to the benifit of ch9 and news ltd. Now if that isn't a conflict of interest and shady as hell I don't know what is.

 

[baselinepanther]

Did you guys know that the lady that had a role created for her just recently as head of digital at the nrl, worked the previous decade at channel 9 in a similar role. She was the one that basically killed of the nrl digital arm to the benifit of ch9 and news ltd. Now if that isn't a conflict of interest and shady as hell I don't know what is.

sure ...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

could be that is the case, and if it turns out that way we will all hail vlad as visionary, but if not he has screwed us big time.

or it’s possible that streaming services will have entered the sports market even more and there is more much more competition for ptv rights in the next few years.

only time will tell.

It would have been good to have RL's PayTV rights up for grabs in 2024 so that Ch9 and STAN SPORT could throw in a bid for everything.

 

[Idris 84]

sure ...

Former Nine executive Alexi Baker to run the ball for NRL

Nine’s former managing director commercial Alexi Baker will join the NRL on Monday in the newly created role of chief customer and digital officer.

www.afr.com

 

[Cactus]

Talk about a circular argument.

Sorry to kill all the bravado but here is something undeniable.

So far nobody here can present an accurate breakdown of the NRL & AFL media deals and no matter how much you link articles or state figures in bits and pieces and argue your side of it……..no one…..and I mean no one can analyse the two properly, let alone put forward a credible comparison.