2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Cactus]

Well we know where things are for 2023 and 2024 In terms of total revenue.
what we don’t know is 21&22 yet.
We have a fair idea what transpired in 2020.
the real interesting bit will be in 2025.

I say noone here can accurately state a true comparison of the NRL & AFL deals.

And in reply you and others have simply regurgitated old media reports and made unsubstantiated claims.

When will you people admit you dont have the information to decide one way or another about the merits of any of the sports media deals ?

 

[Perth Red]

I say noone here can accurately state a true comparison of the NRL & AFL deals.

And in reply you and others have simply regurgitated old media reports and made unsubstantiated claims.

When will you people admit you dont have the information to decide one way or another about the merits of any of the sports media deals ?

we can up to 2019. Then in 20202 NRL hid the figures so we stopped being able to.

 

[baselinepanther]

we can up to 2019. Then in 20202 NRL hid the figures so we stopped being able to.

and the AFL manipulate theirs & lie about it

so... yea

 

[Perth Red]

and the AFL manipulate theirs & lie about it

so... yea

You are suggesting AFL are committing financial accounting fraud and have somehow managed to get one of the biggest and most respected accounting audit firms in the world to go along with it?
You're skating on some thin ice throwing out accusations like that!

 

[baselinepanther]

You are suggesting AFL are committing financial accounting fraud and have somehow managed to get one of the biggest and most respected accounting audit firms in the world to go along with it?
You're skating on some thin ice throwing out accusations like that!

are you suggesting their saying they're getting an increase in 23-24 is not manipulation of the figures moron ??

 

[Perth Red]

are you suggesting their saying they're getting an increase in 23-24 is not manipulation of the figures moron ??

You seem to keep suggesting their figures in the annual report are untrue. That would be fraud and mean you are accusing them of something illegal. So do you believe their annual report figures are accurate or not?

the rest, fight club.

 

[baselinepanther]

You seem to keep suggesting their figures in the annual report are untrue. That would be fraud and mean you are accusing them of something illegal. So do you believe their annual report figures are accurate or not?

the rest, fight club.

i suggested they're manipulated
answer the question

is it a true increase in 23-24 , or an on paper one only ?

 

[baselinepanther]

the auditors have no interest in the AFL's propaganda & smoke & mirrors
What broadcasters pay the AFL each year is of no concern to them as long as the ledger is correct

Rubbery figures , & clever accounting
not illegal tho
the AFL are past masters at this not just in their finances

but crowds , Thuns & Midgets.. Swines & wions at different times too
& participation numbers
They are the kings of dodgey

 

[Perth Red]

the auditors have no interest in the AFL's propaganda & smoke & mirrors
What broadcasters pay the AFL each year is of no concern to them as long as the ledger is correct

Rubbery figures , & clever accounting
not illegal tho
the AFL are past masters at this not just in their finances

but crowds , Thuns & Midgets.. Swines & wions at different times too
& participation numbers
They are the kings of dodgy

Haha yes of course the NRL and AFL are producing fake accounts every year and KPMG are signing off on them. Deary me.

They're either an accurate account of revenue or they are not, you are suggesting they are not, which would be illegal.

 

[Perth Red]

i suggested they're manipulated
answer the question

is it a true increase in 23-24 , or an on paper one only ?

its an increase on the 20-22 annual income amounts, its also an increase on 18-20 annual income amounts. That's if it is $473mill.

You do know how avg's work dont you? Basically if you avg something out over X period of time it will always be the same each year lol.

 

[baselinepanther]

its an increase on the 20-22 annual income amounts, its also an increase on 18-20 annual income amounts. That's if it is $473mill.

You do know how avg's work dont you? Basically if you avg something out over X period of time it will always be the same each year lol.

so
its a paper increase only

thanks
finally we got there , same amount as their old deal , no real change.
Just like us


heaven help us if the NRL had done the same , but its ok for the AFL hey ?

 

[Perth Red]

so
its a paper increase only

thanks
finally we got there , same amount as their old deal , no real change.
Just like us


heaven help us if the NRL had done the same , but its ok for the AFL hey ?

no its not lol. Answer me this simple question. If AFL are really getting $473million in 2023 and 2024 is it more revenue than they got in 2017 and 2018 when the last deal began? Is it more than they are getting in covid impacted 2020 and 2021?

If the NRL where also getting significantly more in 23 and 24 than they got in 18 and 19 then it would be great. But they're not, they're getting less than $10mill cash increase according to you.
And for that less than $10mill cash we have given Tv extra content, generated extra Brisbane content, removed free streaming for Telstra customers and removed an important part of our revenue generating digital arm. And you still think that's a good deal? Its not even covering the cost of expansion!

 

[baselinepanther]

no its not lol. Answer me this simple question. If AFL are really getting $473million in 2023 and 2024 is it more revenue than they got in 2017 and 2018 when the last deal began? Is it more than they are getting in covid impacted 2020 and 2021?

If the NRL where also getting significantly more in 23 and 24 than they got in 18 and 19 then it would be great. But they're not, they're getting less than $10mill cash increase according to you.
And for that less than $10mill cash we have given Tv extra content, generated extra Brisbane content, removed free streaming for Telstra customers and removed an important part of our revenue generating digital arm. And you still think that's a good deal? Its not even covering the cost of expansion!

you afl loving stooge lol
exposed again

was the deal for just 23/24 , or was 20-24 ??
They signed for a deal 20-24 that in average $$ amount was no different to the deal 2017-19
hence
no increase.. none!!
the AFL can doll it up all they want , their fans are koolaide slurping halfwits who never challenge their bullshit .... like you !!

The NRL signed a deal for 23-27 that is 100 million more then the original deal 18-22 in a covid effected world
& the average has risen by 60 mill pa on the covid reduced years of 20-22
good job PVL
end of discussion

 

[colly]

You seem to have an issue with Contra .
But only for RL
Not surprising

i suggested they're manipulated
answer the question

is it a true increase in 23-24 , or an on paper one only

Mr Red going on about last deals and so talking about last deal accounts- WFC- This new addition of 473 per year or 946 over two years for the AFL is shite. Maybe Dill includes all the 5G stadium upgrade as income of the AFL. Thats how dopey works. So if you thought Contra was was a note of contection- wait till real figures come out- which will show the NRL with MOAR $$$. The NRL is the richest sport as it contains also all the Leagues Clubs which are unrivaled any where in the World. The NRL leagues Clubs have a asset backing of over 10 Billion dollars PLUS. Smoke that!

 

[Cactus]

Then in 20202

Well that seems a long long way off.

 

[baselinepanther]

Mr Red going on about last deals and so talking about last deal accounts- WFC- This new addition of 473 per year or 946 over two years for the AFL is shite. Maybe Dill includes all the 5G stadium upgrade as income of the AFL. Thats how dopey works.

its def for mine the manipulation of the ch 7 contract over the years 20-24 where most of the ... paper.. increase is coming from for the afl, the back ending of that deal.
730 mill , average of 146 million pa ( same annual amount average from 2017)
reduced by 87 mill over the years 20-22 , so an average of 117 mill pa & 190 million pa for 23-24

their annual report will show those figures in 2023-24 & it will look impressive & a significant increase , but all isn't as it seems & looks can be deceiving.

 

[tri_colours]

2018 TV DEAL...'The Sydney Morning Herald reports that under the terms of the deal, which were being finalised by lawyers on Thursday night, News Corp and Foxtel partner Telstra have agreed to pay $1.175b over five years for the NRL’s pay-TV and digital rights.

2023 Tv Deal: Fox are paying $238m per year. $1.190 B over 5 years.

the2018 amount probably includes Telstra naming rights. which would work out to be another $15m a year for the 2023 contract.

This is an increase PR not a decrease like other mobs got.

 

[The_Wookie]

are you suggesting their saying they're getting an increase in 23-24 is not manipulation of the figures moron ??

I mean you are literally basing this on feelings and assumptions, you've as much to go on as he does.

Everyones figures will be COVID affected until the end of 2022 - Nines ASX release spells that out too - but I didnt see you in here going on about the manipulation of Nines figures to get the higher average over time.

From Nines ASX statement

Nine’s average cost over the 2023 to 2027 rights period will be c$115 million per annum in cash, with a further c$15m of contra and other (non-cash) services to be provided. This compares with the average cost of the 2018-2022 contract, announced in November 2015, of $115m plus $10m contra. The year one (CY23) cost of $112m (plus $14.5m in contra and services ) compares with the original 2022 P&L cost (which included the amortisation of the contract prepayment) of $130m (plus $10m of contra), and the COVID-adjusted 2022 P&L cost of $103.5m (plus $15m of contra and other services)

 

[tri_colours]

Straight outof AFL House -

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said the revised five-year deal with Seven for 2020-2024 was for $730 million or an average of $146 million per year for free to air rights.[/qute]

 

[baselinepanther]

Straight outof AFL House -

yea
almost certainly this is where most of this ... amazing... increase to 473 mill will come from
We know they're getting 87 million less in the 3 years 20-22. & that 87 million back in 23-24

that puts them about 10 million shy of the magical figure
but like that charlatan con man with the cups & peas on a side street , its all slight of hand.