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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Perth Red

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I suppose given nine have been handed shared digital rights it’s safe to assume they are going to be the fta provider again?
 

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I suppose given nine have been handed shared digital rights it’s safe to assume they are going to be the fta provider again?
c9 Brought the rites to there own games some time ago. But yeah they would be odds on to be the FTA carrier for the club games at anyrate.
 

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Plenty of clubs who arent happy about the expansion teams sucking up money, I reckon someone would have had a dig at the claim if they knew it to be untrue. Believe it or dont believe it, no skin off my nose but until I see some counter claim or evidence then its out there as a claim for what expansion was worth to them.

I see Nick Politis in the Telegraph today wanting another Qld team as the 18th team and reference is made to the ninth game growing NRL revenue by $250 million over 5 years…

I guess according to your logic… if the NRL doesn’t deny it then we can confidently point to this article as being fact …
 

Perth Red

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I see Nick Politis in the Telegraph today wanting another Qld team as the 18th team and reference is made to the ninth game growing NRL revenue by $250 million over 5 years…

I guess according to your logic… if the NRL doesn’t deny it then we can confidently point to this article as being fact …
We should be confident that an extra game a week is worth around $50million a year regardless of where the 18th club is. The value is the content.
 

Perth Red

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Amazon paid $1billion a year for an exclusive NFL Thursday night game. This is where the nrl needs to be smarter than Vlandys. New content should be available to sell to a streaming service separately.

Interesting read

 
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Johnny88

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Part 1​

NRL juggles News Corp, Nine as Seven waits in the wings​

By Zoe Samios, Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko

October 10, 2021 — 7.55pm

About two weeks ago, a conversation between Seven West Media boss James Warburton and powerful sports administrator Peter V’landys got sidetracked.
The discussion was mainly about Seven’s coverage of upcoming horse racing events including The Everest event in Sydney later this month. But V’landys, who wears two hats - one as chief executive of Racing NSW and the other as Australian Rugby League Commission chairman - was also told about the different ways Seven might broadcast the NRL and how much the network might be willing to pay for it.

Speculative chats with potential broadcasters are a normal part of any sporting administrator’s duties, but the comments can be interpreted as a clear sign Seven is considering an audacious tilt at the NRL free-to-air rights.
Those rights are currently held by Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead. Nine is still considered a strong frontrunner to renew its longstanding arrangement with the NRL, having been the home of rugby league on TV for decades. But a possible move by its bitter rival to enter the fray would add another twist to its already complicated relationship with the popular sport.

Nine last Wednesday presented its own proposal to the NRL that, if successful, would allow it to continue its relationship with the code for another five years. It was a meeting that V’landys told the NRL’s 16 clubs last Thursday was positive. Nine’s previous presentation, which took place in August, left V’landys feeling infuriated and disappointed.

The talks over the NRL broadcast rights are now shaping up as one of the most high stakes battles in Australian media for years. They represent a key test for Nine’s recently appointed chief executive Mike Sneesby, and for Foxtel chief executive Patrick Delany who has designs on a public float of the pay TV business as soon as next year. The possible entrance of Seven would only add to the intrigue. Nine, Seven and Foxtel all declined to comment because the talks are confidential.
Media industry sources said Seven has approached Foxtel in recent weeks about a partnership arrangement, where the pay TV company could produce NRL games on Seven’s behalf.
Such a deal would allow Seven to secure the rights to the State of Origin, which must run on free-to-air TV under current rules, and up to three NRL games per week. A partnership would potentially open up the opportunity for Foxtel to broadcast some games for free on its streaming service Kayo Sports, under its ‘Freebies’ model, and simulcast key matches.

NRL’s complicated love triangle with broadcasters​

The NRL is supported by the two biggest fish in Australian media - News Corp (through its majority owned pay TV arm Foxtel). But at various points in the code’s recent history, one of the two media partners had held the upper hand, making the scorned party furious.
In the late 1990s, News Corp’s failure to secure a pay television rights deal to broadcast the rugby league led to a lengthy legal battle between Australia’s most renowned media moguls, Kerry Packer and Rupert Murdoch. The Super League wars ended with two rugby league competitions running alongside one another in 1997 before a peace deal was struck the following year.
In 2015, after the NRL signed a $925 million five-year deal with its free-to-air partner Nine on the first day of Murdoch’s visit to Australia, it led to a vitriolic campaign against then NRL boss Dave Smith, who ended up resigning in the middle of negotiations.

The long-running tensions between News Corp and the NRL now appear to be water under a bridge since V’landys took the helm in 2019. V’landys has run Racing NSW since 2004 and as a result has had a longstanding relationship with News and its newspapers such as The Australian, The Daily Telegraph and The Herald Sun. Media industry executives often say this relationship is an important part of why Foxtel loves the NRL, again.
But while observers say the relationship between NRL and News has never been stronger, there are now question marks over the health of its ties with Nine, and how much the incumbent is willing to pay. Last year at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic former Nine boss Hugh Marks launched a scathing critique of the NRL, attacking a “bloated head office” for “years of mismanagement”. The spray was widely viewed as the catalyst for the departure of then NRL boss Todd Greenberg.

The Sydney Morning Herald revealed last week that Foxtel had agreed to hand over an additional $20 million annually over the next five years to the NRL, which will provide financial support for a 17th team based in Brisbane. That is over and above a five-year extension struck last year during the coronavirus pandemic.
In exchange for this additional payment, Foxtel will get more games involving the Broncos (which are majority owned by News Corp) exclusively for its set-top box and its streaming service, Kayo Sports.

The figure is high enough to placate the existing clubs, who have been told it will cost head office about $75 million over the same period to fund a 17th team. But the deal also shocked Nine, the Broncos are currently the only team in Australia’s third biggest city and as such considered a major ratings draw.

The Redcliffe-based Dolphins are considered the frontrunners to be granted a new license ahead of bids from the Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets, based as much on the support of News Corp as on their submission.
The NRL’s new chief digital officer, Alexi Baker, last week announced a restructuring of the company’s digital arm, putting an end to its breaking news coverage. Foxtel, whose parent company News Corp publishes The Australian, The Daily Telegraph and The Herald Sun, has long complained about the division as they believe it competes with their coverage of the NRL. Former Nine boss Marks was also a critic of the NRL’s online news coverage, arguing it unnecessarily competed with Nine’s newspapers (including this masthead).


 

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Part 2​

Why the NRL rights are crucial​


Foxtel provides 66 per cent of the NRL’s broadcast revenue. But about two-thirds of fans watch games on free-to-air television. So while Foxtel is crucial from a revenue perspective, it is crucial for the sport to have a free-to-air television presence for the code to retain its popularity.
For Foxtel, partnering with Seven could be straightforward. The pair already have a good working relationship for sports including the cricket and AFL, and there has previously been widespread speculation about a more substantial corporate deal between the two companies. The deal would also mean Seven would be the home of the AFL, NRL and cricket as well as motorsports and racing.
Meanwhile, the NRL is considered critical for Nine, as it is one of two key sports in its lineup (the other being tennis).

Under the last deal, Nine paid $575 million over a five-year period including contra (free advertising), but that deal was reduced last year due to COVID-19 related delays and restrictions. Sources have indicated that the NRL wants more than $600 million over five years under the next arrangement.

“You’re dead without [live sport], and you’re on life support with it,” media buyer Barry O’Brien, who runs independent agency Atomic 212. “NRL, AFL, tennis, cricket- you need one of those tentpoles to be able to showcase what you’re programming. It opens up many doors to finance companies, car companies, wagering companies, and without it you haven’t got that advertising revenue.”
Whatever happens, the free-to-air broadcast partner that ends up clinching the rugby league rights will not need to stump up an upfront sum. In a meeting with the chairs and chief executives of the 16 clubs on Thursday, V’landys said that price was only one of the drivers in deciding the rights. He spoke of the five ’P’s; price, participation, product, promotion and partnership.
It’s clear the NRL will seek more input into how its product will be presented in the future, but that won’t be the only departure from how previous deals have been structured.
Previously, both Foxtel and Nine have paid the NRL a large percentage of its money in advance. When the COVID-19 outbreak shut down the competition last year after just two rounds - with no guarantee that it would restart again - Nine initially demanded that its advance be returned (the issue was resolved when it renegotiated its existing broadcast deal).
The NRL had hoped the disruptors - the likes of Netflix, Amazon and Disney - would create competitive tension in the latest negotiations. However, the league recognises the need to partner with an FTA provider to reach the largest possible audience. Further, Nine and Foxtel currently wear the $50 million in production costs themselves; the NRL would have to pick up that tab if it were to provide the finished product that the disruptors would demand.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo and V’landys would like to announce a free-to-air broadcasting partner by the end of the month.
V’landys has longstanding relationships with media executives across the country which he leverages to drive hard bargains. His private room at The Everest this weekend will illustrate this point: News Corp executive chairman Michael Miller, Foxtel’s Delany, Nine’s boss Sneesby and Seven’s Warburton are all expected to attend.

 

Perth Red

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Not sure how I feel about seven having NRL, concerned they may see it as a secondary product to AFL, especially outside NSW and qlnd.
Shame ch10 arent in a better position to bid. Id hoped that they might with the backing of CBS to get NRL on paramount plus, even if just for free until they can challenge Fox in 5 years for the full streaming rights.

I wonder what the viability longer term of NRL expanding and producing its own game day content which it could sell parts of to different streamers in similar way to what NFL and EPL is heading? If we had ten games to sell we could share them amongst 2-3 streaming services in 2027 onwards.

The streaming market is becoming pretty crowded and I can see the big ones using sport to create market leadership into the future. I hope we screwed Fox for the exclusive streaming rights this time around!!
 

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What's interesting in all this is leaking news of Seven's interest directly to Nine and them running it as news? The obvious leak would be for Vlandys to give it to News to piss off Nine. Not sure if Masters is feeding this in the background?

Seven treat their products far better than Nine so I wouldn't be upset from that perspective. It's Saturday programming that needs to be prioritised again. You can't have a Thursday, Friday then Sunday broadcast and skip a day. All continuity gets lost.
 

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What's interesting in all this is leaking news of Seven's interest directly to Nine and them running it as news? The obvious leak would be for Vlandys to give it to News to piss off Nine. Not sure if Masters is feeding this in the background?

Seven treat their products far better than Nine so I wouldn't be upset from that perspective. It's Saturday programming that needs to be prioritised again. You can't have a Thursday, Friday then Sunday broadcast and skip a day. All continuity gets lost.
I have no doubt exclusive Saturdays have already been sold to Fox.
 
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What's interesting in all this is leaking news of Seven's interest directly to Nine and them running it as news? The obvious leak would be for Vlandys to give it to News to piss off Nine. Not sure if Masters is feeding this in the background?

Seven treat their products far better than Nine so I wouldn't be upset from that perspective. It's Saturday programming that needs to be prioritised again. You can't have a Thursday, Friday then Sunday broadcast and skip a day. All continuity gets lost.
Didn't Ch 7 broadcast the RLWC a few years ago .
They did a fantastic job .
 

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Despite intense interest from all rival commercial stations, TV insiders continue to claim Channel 9 is favourite to once again secure the lucrative NRL broadcast rights which come up for sale after next season. Fox Sports already has an agreement to cover NRL games until the end of 2027.

Starting to look inevitable that Nein retain. God knows why. They have been an anchor on the game forever.

I've got Kayo so it doesn't really affect me. I couldn't give a rats about cash value either as anything extra just gets hoovered up by the clubs and players. But the game cannot grow when its FTA partner is endlessly negative and treats it as an afterthought in expansion areas.

Take less and go with someone who will prize and promote the code.
 

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Below story - my takeouts the previous deal was the worst in negotiated outcomes. $$ everywhere but NRL
With $115 Nine and $32m NZ deal gives us $147m yearly FTA- Would have likes $125 yearly- Dscuss

Media giant Nine Entertainment Co could pay up to $600 million over five years to the NRL under a deal that would return the value of the broadcast rights for the popular rugby league competition to pre-COVID-19 levels.

The television, publishing and digital media company and the NRL have been in discussions for months about an extension of their longstanding broadcast agreement, and while a formal deal has not been agreed or signed, multiple sources on both sides of the talks said they are now at an advanced stage and could be completed in the next fortnight.

The sources, who spoke anonymously because the discussions are confidential, said Nine had last week proposed to pay the NRL more than $115 million annually for its free-to-air rights for five years. If Nine’s proposal is accepted it would be the most lucrative free-to-air network agreement in the NRL’s history and provide the league with more than enough funding to accommodate its 17th team.


Nine and the NRL both declined to comment. Nine is the owner of The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

Nine has been locked in crucial negotiations for the free-to-air rights to NRL matches for months, and presented its plan for the competition to Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys and NRL boss Andrew Abdo two weeks ago. Mr V’landys told NRL’s 16 clubs the meeting was positive.
The NRL made it clear when negotiations started that it wanted a minimum of $115 million annually for a five-year deal, which would align its free-to-air rights with its pay TV deal with Foxtel which expires in 2027.
Nine has a long-standing relationship with the NRL, but the relationship was on rocky ground in August when Mr V’landys told Nine’s executives he was disappointed with promotion of the sport by the company, which in addition to its free-to-air network and publishing assets, owns radio stations such as 2GB in Sydney and streaming service Stan.
The NRL broadcast rights are the most lucrative sporting property to be sold this year. While sports are typically loss-making events for a television broadcaster, they can be used to promote other key programs for a channel and boost audiences and advertising revenue.
The rugby league rights are also an important test for Nine chief executive Mike Sneesby, who commenced his role in March. While Nine has been considered a strong favourite to renew its NRL deal, rival network Seven also expressed interest in the rights (Seven has a close relationship with Mr V’landys through its broadcast deal with Racing NSW, which he leads as CEO).

Pay TV company Foxtel secured a five-year extension of its deal with the NRL last year. The News Corp controlled company also recently agreed to inject more money into the league to fund a 17th team (last week confirmed as the Redcliffe Dolphins) in exchange for more exclusive games involving the Brisbane Broncos. News Corp also owns a majority stake in the Broncos.

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NRL juggles News Corp, Nine as Seven waits in the wings

The agreement shocked Nine because the Broncos are currently the only team in Australia’s third biggest city and are considered a major ratings draw.
Mr V’landys, in his role as head of Racing NSW, hosted Mr Sneesby, Mr Abdo and other key executives and politicians at The Everest horse race in Sydney over the weekend. News Corp executive chairman Michael Miller, Foxtel boss Patrick Delany, Seven West Media CEO James Warburton and editors from The Daily Telegraph, The Australian and this masthead all attended, where Mr Sneesby was seated next to Mr Abdo.
When Nine last signed a broadcast deal with the NRL in 2015, former chief executive David Gyngell secured rights for all matches in a move that infuriated News Corp and ultimately sealed the departure of former NRL boss Dave Smith.

Foxtel then had to buy five games a week from Nine to show on its dedicated rugby league channel on Foxtel. The deal with Foxtel reduced the cost of Nine’s free-to-air deal to $115 million a season over five years and about $10 million a season in ‘contra’, or free advertising.
However, that deal was discounted last year due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the competition. The terms of the renegotiated deal were not disclosed, but Nine flagged projected savings of $27.5 million for 2021, and the same amount for 2022.
 
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NRL to reveal huge $2 billion TV deal as Channel Nine deal looms, Seven walks​

In a huge a triumph for ARLC chairman Peter V’landys, the NRL is set to announce a broadcast deal worth up to $2 billion.

Dean Ritchie
The NRL is poised to announce an historic new five-year broadcast deal with Channel 9 which could net rugby league a staggering $600m.
News Corp can also reveal Channel 7 has walked away from broadcast negotiations.

With Fox Sports having already committed to a deal until the end of 2027, it now appears the NRL’s new broadcast deal could be worth up to $2 billion — a triumph for ARLC chairman Peter V’landys.
There is just one final barrier between Nine and the NRL — the cost.

It is understood Nine has tabled a deal worth between $105m and $110m a year.

The NRL — seeking the best deal possible — may push Nine to dig deeper and outlay $120m a year for rugby league.

It appears certain the difference in money will be settled and a new deal could be struck and announced by the end of this month.

ARLC boss Peter V'landys. Picture: Richard Dobson

ARLC boss Peter V'landys. Picture: Richard Dobson
The current contract with Nine expires at the end of next season, meaning the new free-to-air deal would run until the end of 2027.

NRL executives spoke about the Nine deal at a high-powered meeting with clubs last week.

Seven was a genuine player in the discussions but is also tied to a rich deal with the AFL until the end of 2025.

News Corp has been told Seven wanted to pay around $30m to cover State of Origin each season. That offer has essentially been withdrawn.

Seven had also sought to cover the Sunday 4pm match each week and had spoken about broadcasting another game each round in a share deal with Fox Sports.

Aware their station had lost its cricket rights and their rugby union ratings were, at best, modest, Nine became anxious at Seven’s interest.

A fear of losing the NRL has forced Nine to beef up their offer — a move which will delight Seven and the NRL.

With the Nine deal all but done, Seven will walk away from any further negotiations and focus on its AFL coverage.

As part of a new deal, Nine may be asked to reintroduce a midweek footy show.

Seven and Ten had also spoken briefly about a potential share deal for matches.

Nine submitted an initial presentation to the NRL which insiders described as underwhelming. A revised presentation was described by NRL sources as “superb”.

In discussion with the clubs last week, V’landys said the deal wasn’t just about money and the successful station would need to help promote the game, assist in increasing participation and forge a robust partnership.

“The price is the only thing that is outstanding at the moment — but that is progressing very well,” said one NRL club CEO. “But this is more than money. It’s about promoting the game, participation, being a partnership as well as price.

“The game wants a partner — not somebody that is going to go and do their own thing. The NRL also wants their partner to assist them in promoting the game and help increase participation.

“They are the four Ps – partnership, promotion, participation and price. That is what Peter V’landys told us at the club’s meeting.”

The Seven-Fox deal was fascinating. It included Seven airing post and pre-game shows while using Fox Sports commentators to call matches.
 

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