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2nd Ashes Test: Australia v England at Adelaide Dec 3-7 2010

Timbo

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Well the top 7 goes unchanged I guess.

Johnson MUST go. I don't get it. They say he's the leader of the attack. Unless you're an attacking spinner in the vein of Warne or Murali, if you're an attack leader you MUST be the spearhead with the new ball.

Hilf is more suited to second use of the new ball bowling up the hill (as is Harris). Siddle is a first change workhorse.

Bollinger is a genuine first use of the new ball bowler. GET HIM THE F*** IN THE XI FOR ADELAIDE!!!!!
 

Adsy

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Pulled off of a Cricket Australia update on facebook:



Looks like North has survived :crazy:

What the f**k do the Aussie selectors see in North??? He is atrocious! Will probably get a score under 10 in the first innings and then a hundred on the road that is Adelaide oval and be locked in for the rest of the series only to throw up more spineless batting performances when we really need a lower order batsmen to stand up. Disgrace.
 

lockyno1

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I think Harris is the closest one. Would not surprise me to see him in the 12 for Adelaide. I honestly would not be surprised to see us take North OR Smith as the spinner in Adelaide, and play Harris. Ponting is a MASSIVE fan of Harris.
 

Adsy

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If that 13 man squad for the Adelaide test is right. Will most likely see....

Katich
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Doherty
Siddle
Hilenhaus
Bollinger

Harris may get in over Hilfy. But surely Johnson is going to be carrying drinks next test (though he would even struggle with that at the moment).
 

Big_Bad_Shark_Fan

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I think Harris will play.

One of johnsons assets is his batting so i think putting Harris in you still get a decent number 8
 

Twizzle

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cant believe Smith hasn't been added to the squad, its Adelaide ffs
 

yappy

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I think Harris will play.

One of johnsons assets is his batting so i think putting Harris in you still get a decent number 8

Johnson has no assets. As someone was saying on cricinfo, Harmison kept getting picked despite being utter utter sh*te for years because the selectors were crossing their fingers and hoping he would bowl again like he did against the Windies in 04. Same with Johnson. No matter how utterly crap he is people (like Hilditch, Punter etc) will still cross their fingers and their toes and say 'but he was great against SA in 08/09'. He is a non contributor. If his replacement can only bowl tight and take a few wickets each innings to average in the high 20's he will be a vast improvement. If that means he gets a duck every second innings he'll be no worse than sh*tzell.
 

Cheops

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In the Courier Mail today, they said North averages under 7 when he comes in with the total score under 150. That is disgustingly bad and proves he is only useful to get a hundred when the going is easy. Should be replaced by Khawaja or Smith, but obviously won't be now

Johnson is hopeless and now seems to have lost his speed. It's one thing bowling erratic wide stuff at 145+, but when you're spraying them in the 130's there's not even the so called X factor. We can't afford to carry him this ashes series like we did the last. Or maybe we should drop a batsman for another allrounder to cover for him again :roll:

Bollinger for Johnson. I'd also like Harris in for one of Siddle or Hilf but it won't happen. Give Doherty another chance or two, but SOK needs to be playing for NSW because he should be next in line.
 
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/content/story/489620.html
Cheer up Australia, there's always the North star

With no consideration of reality, Marcus North has already been tipped as a future captain this summer, and this fantasy paints him as Australia's bowling saviour

Peter English at the Gabba
November 29, 2010

Marcus North must be the first name in the XI for Adelaide. If he's dropped for the trivial issue of an absence of runs, how else will Australia get a wicket? With no consideration of reality, North has already been tipped as a future captain this summer, and this fantasy paints him as Australia's bowling saviour.
Don't be so narrow to focus on North's single on Friday or his string of batting failures over the past year. The crucial moment for Australia over the second half of the first Test was Andrew Strauss's stumping. Who was the bowler who delivered the poster ball? That teasing, flighted, wide, drifting, spinning, deadly offering? It was Australia's No.6.
The series is only five days old but already these are desperate times for the locals. Anything is worth a try after seeing how the attack performed. Peter Siddle said before the game the aim was to show it was the best in the world. It wasn't even the most successful in Brisbane. They've got to ask for more from the North star.
Australia's selectors think loyalty to specialist spinners is over-rated, so hand North the role and pick another batsman. On this performance it looks like Australia will need the extra runs over the next four Tests. A tail-ender who makes a century every four games and removes the opposition skipper is invaluable. Let North come out and publicly target Strauss for the rest of the series; let Mitchell Johnson concentrate on aiming for the pitch.
The surface at the Gabba over the final two days provided excellent practice for what should be a similarly barren wicket in Adelaide from Friday. If you're a brave Australian, peek at the scorecard and see that North excelled with 1 for 47 from only 19 overs. Ignore the second-innings total of 1 for 517 declared and search for the positives. Like Coke in the early 1980s, North is it.
Spinners are meant to take wickets in the latter stages of Tests and North got his brilliantly planned breakthrough in the middle session of the fourth day. England were only 188 way back then. Some players, like Doug Walters and Mark Waugh, have that North-like knack of breaking up a partnership before it ruins team morale. Sure, he couldn't repeat the success during the 329-run stand between Alastair Cook and Jonathan Trott, but he only got seven overs today.
The most trouble Xavier Doherty, the left-armer on debut, created was when he hit a crack two balls in a row before lunch. Sadly, the person in danger was the wicketkeeper Brad Haddin. Well, he would have been if he'd moved down the legside. He didn't and the eight byes added to his 17 for the innings. It was sloppy all-round for the hosts, with five missed chances - some were hugely difficult - and a slew of sundries.
In the eyes of the selectors, Nathan Hauritz became a worse bowler when he was barely used in domestic games in the lead-up to the series. Hauritz's Test reputation has been enhanced by his non-selection. He could be satisfied if it meant he would be considered for a quick return, but the conservative panel would not countenance such a severe back-flip.
Ponting pushed for Doherty, his Tasmania team-mate, and the move showed the captain's desperation to have a bowler who would follow his orders. Hauritz and Ponting clashed over technique and method in India last month and the spinner lost his place. North will also do whatever his leader wants. In his fragile position he has to.
Doherty had Ian Bell caught in the deep when he was hitting out in the first innings and also removed the No.10 James Anderson. In the second innings, he was as damaging as an indoor plant, returning 0 for 107 off 35 overs. Of the nine spinners who have been trialled since Shane Warne retired, Doherty sits in the lowest bracket along with Cameron White and Beau Casson. Solid state bowlers don't help teams win urns.
Hauritz has been the most successful of the "Not-Warney Nine" and has an enviable home record of 38 wickets at 29.65 in nine Tests. But Hauritz isn't going to be in Adelaide and North isn't going to be dropped, so make North the 10th specialist and get on with it. Best to get some use out of him.
North not only out-performed the specialist spinner, he out-bowled the rest of Australia's attack when the game was in the balance. When you look at a glass it can be half-full or half-empty. In this dream, see North's wicket, not his run.
 

simmo1

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The problem is that it happens to him all the time.

I wanted to have him with Doug and Harris for this test, but he has to start actually contributing wickets not just bowling good looking spells.

Tend to agree. He has a near identical record to Siddle, yet is deemed to be one of the first bowlers picked, whereas Siddle isn't much liked on here. He's probably the most consistent of the bowlers, but I think he needs to lift to justify his spot in the team.

For the next test, I would have North and Johnson out, with Smith and Bollinger to come in. Doherty and Hilfenhaus be told to start taking wickets or be dropped for O'Keefe and Harris.
 

lockyno1

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Predictable. Ricky always gets his pets in the side. What does North do to command a spot, was it his glorious 1..or was it his 1 wicket in 2 innings..seriously, this is a joke.

Harris will play instead of possibly Hilfenhaus and I don't mind that call as Hilfy is utter tripe in Adelaide. Although I would piss Doherty off and if they must play North, play him as the spinner.
 

Didgi

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He never looked like getting him out! North was more threatening!:lol:

Which bit about 7 balls dont you get?


The first and last paragraphs read like it's mocking him. Unfortunately the rest of it reads otherwise. That bit about Haddin is bullsh*t. 17 byes when 16 of them were from sh*tchell or the few times the Aus bowlers managed to hit the crack.
 

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