2nd Test: Australia v Pakistan at Melbourne on Dec 26-30, 2016

[JJ]

But every ball seems an adventure

 

[Bazal]

Well, Sri Lanka were a better ODI team than a Test team at the time. His average in both forms is comparable. Pretty healthy ODI strike rate.

Yeah Sri Lanka are still something of a specialist ODI side IMO...for Marvan, his hundreds are pretty comparable across the two formats 16 test vs 11 ODI, but 59 ODI half centuries vs 17 in tests is a huge gap. For the era that's an excellent record IMO.

 

[Bazal]

Showing a bit of ignorance there

Maddo is a six or nothin' batsman. We saw that in the 2nd innings of the Gabba test. His only shot is the hoik.

He is like those footy players who look a million dollars in reserve grade, but put them up against the best and their deficiencies stick out like dogs balls.

Exhibit A at the top level http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1000855.html

Exhibit B http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1000881.html

Exhibit C http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/754721.html

Exhibit D (and Mado's masterpiece against the best) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647247.html

These are the facts.

I've watched plenty of Maddo over the years & am yet to say after he gets out "that was an innings of substance from Maddo". Not once.

Big Bash is his level.

A dud is a dud.

Anyone who doubts Maddinsons talent either hasn't watched him much or knows very little about cricket. He has just about every shot you can name, he's a classic left hander through point and cover and if you drop short he'll pull and hook very comfortably. Probably a bit deficient down the ground but again, that's a bit of an issue for a lot of lefties. His issues aren't talent or ability related, he really needs to learn to be patient and not worry about his scoring rate.

He's also an incredibly nervous starter, coupled with picking him out of the blue when he's not really in great form and the pressure of being a debut test player and he's imploded somewhat. He absolutely has the ability, it's whether or not he ever finds the mental side of the game that quality test players need. He's able to be a bit flaky at Shield level and get away with it, you can't at test level.

 

[2 weeks]

Anyone who doubts Maddinsons talent either hasn't watched him much or knows very little about cricket. He has just about every shot you can name, he's a classic left hander through point and cover and if you drop short he'll pull and hook very comfortably. Probably a bit deficient down the ground but again, that's a bit of an issue for a lot of lefties. His issues aren't talent or ability related, he really needs to learn to be patient and not worry about his scoring rate.

He's also an incredibly nervous starter, coupled with picking him out of the blue when he's not really in great form and the pressure of being a debut test player and he's imploded somewhat. He absolutely has the ability, it's whether or not he ever finds the mental side of the game that quality test players need. He's able to be a bit flaky at Shield level and get away with it, you can't at test level.

Anyone who thinks Maddo is test level either hasn't watched him much or knows very little about cricket.

Plenty of players have every shot you can name when they are playing shield etc, but shit their pants at international level.

You may enjoy being embarrassed when he makes a fool of himself at test level, but i don't.

I am yet to see anyone from outside NSW cricket supporters who think he is up to it.

His record at the highest level is one of incompetence.

But you guys keep waiting on him to show that poo-tential of his.

A dud is a dud.

 

[Bazal]

Anyone who thinks Maddo is test level either hasn't watched him much or knows very little about cricket.

Plenty of players have every shot you can name when they are playing shield etc, but shit their pants at international level.

You may enjoy being embarrassed when he makes a fool of himself at test level, but i don't.

I am yet to see anyone from outside NSW cricket supporters who think he is up to it.

His record at the highest level is one of incompetence.

But you guys keep waiting on him to show that poo-tential of his.

A dud is a dud.

Lol.

Tell you what, if you can quote precisely where I said I believe he's definitely up to test level, I'll put something about what a great judge of cricket you are in my sig for a month....

Perhaps you should read posts properly...?

 

[2 weeks]

Lol.

Tell you what, if you can quote precisely where I said I believe he's definitely up to test level, I'll put something about what a great judge of cricket you are in my sig for a month....

Perhaps you should read posts properly...?

Why would i care what you put in your sig?

You are defending his place in the test team, inferring that he "deserves a red ball test". I am putting up his record at International level up against your inference.

A dud is a dud.

 

[Bazal]

Why would i care what you put in your sig?

You are defending his place in the test team, inferring that he "deserves a red ball test". I am putting up his record at International level up against your inference.

A dud is a dud.

Now you're deflecting. We were talking about his talent vs his mental weakness.

I'm defending his right to a chance to show what he can or can't do, you pillock. I didn't agree with picking him and made that very clear, however I DEFINITELY don't agree with giving guys two or three tests and then throwing them on the scrap heap. Now that he's been picked, there is absolutely no point dropping him halfway through a series....

 

[2 weeks]

Now you're deflecting. We were talking about his talent vs his mental weakness.

I'm defending his right to a chance to show what he can or can't do, you pillock. I didn't agree with picking him and made that very clear, however I DEFINITELY don't agree with giving guys two or three tests and then throwing them on the scrap heap. Now that he's been picked, there is absolutely no point dropping him halfway through a series....

You might be talking about that, but i'm not. I am talking about the fact that he is an embarrassment at the highest level

Now you are descending into insults, the refuge of the defeated, congrats. Confirms my opinion of you i guess.

A dud is a dud. If they have shown they are not up to it then keeping on rewarding them is not sane IMO.

The reason he should be dropped is that he has shown that International level is too hard for him.

If he was not from NSW he would be getting the same treatment as Wade, Quiney etc.

 

[Bazal]

You might be talking about that, but i'm not. I am talking about the fact that he is an embarrassment at the highest level

Now you are descending into insults, the refuge of the defeated, congrats. Confirms my opinion of you i guess.

A dud is a dud. If they have shown they are not up to it then keeping on rewarding them is not sane IMO.

The reason he should be dropped is that he has shown that International level is too hard for him.

If he was not from NSW he would be getting the same treatment as Wade, Quiney etc.

Hah! If you think pillock is an insult then there's not a lot of hope for you tbh

How can you possibly say he's demonstrated he's not up to it ( as Wade has, consistently over 120 international cricket matches, hence the treatment he gets and deserves) after two test matches? It's ridiculous.

He may well not be up to it because his mental approach seems to be very poor. But there are examples in this very thread that tell us that two tests just isn't a good enough sample size. I'm not saying give him 25 fking matches, I'm saying there is no point dropping him in the middle of a series 2 tests into his career. You clearly don't rate him, and that's fine as an opinion, but it isn't a fact and people have every right to disagree. He's got plenty of talent, this could just as easily be the making of him as a player as it could be the end of him.

 

[2 weeks]

Hah! If you think pillock is an insult then there's not a lot of hope for you tbh

How can you possibly say he's demonstrated he's not up to it ( as Wade has, consistently over 120 international cricket matches, hence the treatment he gets and deserves) after two test matches? It's ridiculous.

He may well not be up to it because his mental approach seems to be very poor. But there are examples in this very thread that tell us that two tests just isn't a good enough sample size. I'm not saying give him 25 fking matches, I'm saying there is no point dropping him in the middle of a series 2 tests into his career. You clearly don't rate him, and that's fine as an opinion, but it isn't a fact and people have every right to disagree. He's got plenty of talent, this could just as easily be the making of him as a player as it could be the end of him.

Hah! If you think pillock isn't an insult then there's not a lot of hope for you tbh

If it walks like a duck, & quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. A dud is a dud.

It's like you have totally ignored what Maddo had done at the highest level, just to suit an opinion you have, It's ridiculous.

The facts are that he has had 4 opportunities (with regards to games,5 if you cont innings played) and been a dismal failure.

You obviously enjoy watching Maddo stink up this developing test team, whereas i don't and that's fine as an opinion.

I'm saying he deserves to be dropped due to the fact that he has show that International cricket is too high a level for him, and i want Australia to play the strongest XI.

But you keep waiting for him to show that poo-tential.

A dud is a dud.

 

[Bazal]

Lol. You're still labouring under the obvious misconception that I hold a directly opposite opinion to you.

If you're happy to write a bloke off based on his 3 innings at the highest level, then there's really not much point discussing it because all you see is your obvious dislike of the player and you clearly refuse to acknowledge there is a middle ground based on your hilarious tone here.

Personally, I'm happy for him to have a couple more tests to see whether he can bring his natural talent to the highest level or not. If he can, that's awesome. If not, see ya later Maddo.

 

[Hutty1986]

Baz, cut out the logic. This simple merkin is a bit bewildered.

 

[typicalfan]

There is no point having development players if there is no focus on development. The question is whether Maddo should be kept a bit longer because the team as a whole has been doing ok.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

A pink ball is a pink ball and playing at night is playing at night.

Give Maddinson the next two day tests to see if he can cut it.

Although i still believe Australia will bring in Paris Hilton for the next game instead due to the continued obsession with having an allrounder in the side.

 

[Timbo]

The Cartwright selection is probably a winner. He's an all-rounder in the same style as Paul Collingwood - he's a batsman who is good for 4 or 5 overs of medium pace.

 

[Twizzle]

Maddo is a six or nothin' batsman

nearly stopped reading there but kept going for the lols

that is just a ridiculous statement

Like Bazal I would not have selected him but from what you posted I really dont think you have seen much of him at all.

 

[Pete Cash]

2 weeks would you have wrote steve smith off in 2010 as a dud is a dud.

I dont think maddinson should be in the team but i wont write any player off. If he goes back to shield cricket and does the hard yards i have no issue with him being selected

 

[JJ]

Presumably the kid has some talent or he wouldn't have been picked for Australia - but he's looked overawed - bit like Glenn Trimble back in the day, just horrific...

But could all change very quickly of course - and as above the team is winning, nonetheless there should be pressure on Maddinson, Wade and Lyon

 

[Tommy Smith]

Maddinson has a very average first class record after 60 odd matches. And he's 25 so not exactly a kid like Renshaw.

So he's shown absolutely nothing to have ever deserved a test call up in the first place.

I do hope he's retained though because his first innings in Brisbane is the funniest thing I've seen in Test cricket for ages.

 

[JJ]

Funniest post Chris Martin batting for sure