2nd Test: Australia v Pakistan at Melbourne on Dec 26-30, 2016

[JJ]

Variables aside, Rutherford scored 6 runs in his first 5 innings and left the WI having amassed a massive 12 runs in 7 innings. His breakthrough innings was 5 runs in the second innings at Kingston, scored off 33 balls.

I can't imagine a worse test start than that

Yep - but Maddinson looks that bad

Think Attapatu had a rough start, Crowe too - but not in the Rutherford/Maddinson category

 

[simmo1]

Oh wow, just looked up Atapattu. He had 1 run in his first six innings played over four years and then waited another three to get his fourth test. Tough to beat that.

 

[JJ]

Maddinson was trying though LOL

Atapattu ended a pretty good player though, but year I recall some duck setting record

 

[Meth]

Oh wow, just looked up Atapattu. He had 1 run in his first six innings played over four years and then waited another three to get his fourth test. Tough to beat that.

we have a winner

 

[Meth]

Of Ken Rutherford, "From 56 Tests, Rutherford had scored 2,465 runs at 27.08 with 3 hundreds. Of all specialist batsmen with over 2,000 runs, his average is better than only Mohammad Ashraful and Darren Ganga. He had scored 16 ducks in his Test career. Of specialist batsmen only Marvan Atapattu, Steve Waugh, Michael Atherton, Brian Lara, and Ricky Ponting have scored more — and all of them have scored over 5,000 Test runs"

http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...batsman-who-went-on-to-lead-his-country-32670

 

[Twizzle]

Maddo is a joke, if he wasn't from NSW he'd get the same treatment as Wade, Quiney etc.

A dud is a dud.

showing a bit of ignorance there

Madinson has been in the Australia A team for at least a couple of season so he has done a fair bit of time in the system, including touring the sub continent and RSA in the futures team

 

[Twizzle]

Was listening to the Foxsports cricket chat and Hoggy doesn't like to hold back

He described Cartright as an "interesting" selection

"he's not even the best all rounder for WA and now he's selected to play for Australia"

 

[Meth]

Oh wow, just looked up Atapattu. He had 1 run in his first six innings played over four years and then waited another three to get his fourth test. Tough to beat that.

Over the same period (90-92), he scored for ODI's: 8*, 0, 4, 19, 5*, 3, 4 for an average of 8+, so its not even as if he was excelling in another format. Batting between 6-9, but seemingly as a specialist batsman- especially weird in those days. It's a curious case, alright

 

[JJ]

Glad I mentioned old Marvan - pretty stellar really, ended averaging 39, with 16 centuries and well over 5000 runs - 6 test double centuries, only Bradman (12) Lara and Hammond (7) with more - yet he started his career in an appalling way - think he was always regarded as a likely star though

 

[Tommy Smith]

Lara had 9 double tons (unless you mean 7 200s, 1 300, & 1 400).

Also Sanga had 11 double tons, albeit almost half of them against the Bangas or Zimmers. Still an astonishing record.

 

[Meth]

Lara had 9 double tons (unless you mean 7 200s, 1 300, & 1 400). Also Sanga had 11 double tons, albeit almost half of them against the Bangas or Zimmers. Still an astonishing record.

I think 3 of Atapattu's were v Zimbabwe and 1 v Bangladesh

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Exhibit A : The Guv'nor of Sydney Thunder

Exhibit B : Selector of Australia - Lost Ashes, lost to Sri Lanke 0-3, lost to South Africa (at home 1-2), lost to India 0-4 (upcoming) and Bangladesh 0-2 (upcoming).

 

[Tommy Smith]

I think 3 of Atapattu's were v Zimbabwe and 1 v Bangladesh

Wow.

That certainly adds some perspective.

Atapattu was a good player, but there's obviously an element of minnow bashing there.

In contrast I believe all of Lara's 9 double + scores were against major test playing nations, which gives them more weight IMO.

 

[Bazal]

Attapatu also played at least some of his career for Sri Lanka at a time when many considered them a minnow, remember....especially in Test cricket. Can only play who you're scheduled to play

I always thought he was better ODI player anyway tbh.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Granted you can only play who's in front of you but what's more impressive, 5 doubles against the Zimmers and Bangers or 5 doubles against Australia and South Africa?

 

[Hutty1986]

You know a battle I'd like to see Tommy?

Dale Steyn in his prime v Boyd Cordner.

 

[Meth]

Attapatu also played at least some of his career for Sri Lanka at a time when many considered them a minnow, remember....especially in Test cricket. Can only play who you're scheduled to play

I always thought he was better ODI player anyway tbh.

Well, Sri Lanka were a better ODI team than a Test team at the time. His average in both forms is comparable. Pretty healthy ODI strike rate.

In Tests, he averaged 95.41 in 10 matches v Zimbabwe and 62.5 in 4 matches v Bangladesh. Comparatively, he averaged 26.13 v South Africa (12 matches), 31.65 v Pakistan (13 matches) and 31.25 v Australia (10 matches). Scored a century v every nation though...

 

[JJ]

Wow.

That certainly adds some perspective.

Atapattu was a good player, but there's obviously an element of minnow bashing there.

In contrast I believe all of Lara's 9 double + scores were against major test playing nations, which gives them more weight IMO.

For sure, Lara was special - but as was pointed out earlier pretty much all giant scores come on flat decks - after a start of Maddisson-esque quality Attapatu went on to a good career, that's all

 

[Tommy Smith]

You know a battle I'd like to see Tommy?

Dale Steyn in his prime v Boyd Cordner.

I wouldn't say no to being the meat in that sandwich.

Or being the buns for those hotdogs.

Or being the soggy sayo at that party.

Or being... well, you get the picture.

 

[2 weeks]

showing a bit of ignorance there

Madinson has been in the Australia A team for at least a couple of season so he has done a fair bit of time in the system, including touring the sub continent and RSA in the futures team

Showing a bit of ignorance there

Maddo is a six or nothin' batsman. We saw that in the 2nd innings of the Gabba test. His only shot is the hoik.

He is like those footy players who look a million dollars in reserve grade, but put them up against the best and their deficiencies stick out like dogs balls.

Exhibit A at the top level http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1000855.html

Exhibit B http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1000881.html

Exhibit C http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/754721.html

Exhibit D (and Mado's masterpiece against the best) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647247.html

These are the facts.

I've watched plenty of Maddo over the years & am yet to say after he gets out "that was an innings of substance from Maddo". Not once.

Big Bash is his level.

A dud is a dud.