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3rd Test: India v Australia at Mohali (Punjab) Mar 14-18, 2013

mattyg

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Squad picked is terrible, so I think no choice but the selectors will pick maxwell and Johnson next game...

My top team would be:

1. Warner
2. Hughes
3. Khawaja
4. Clarke
5. Marsh
6. Bailey
7. Wade
8. Starc
9. Siddle/Bird (when fit)
10. Pattinson
11. Lyon/O'Keefe (admit I haven't seen much of O'Keefe, but surely he can't be worse than our other options)

I feel more confident in khawaja being able to work his way in and stick around for a bit. Cowan is solid at best but we need better than a start from him all the time. Hence his average being 31. Watson needs to go, unless he is going to bowl. Bailey deserves a go.
 

BDR

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Khawaja has to come in for one of Hughes or Watson. I could see justification for them retaining Watson but only if he bowls and bats at 5 with Clarke moving up. Ideally I would bring Lyon in for Maxwell and Khawaja in for Hoos.

1. Warner
2. Cowan
3. Khawaja
4. Clarke
5. Watson
6. Wade
7. Henriques
8. Siddle
9. Pattinson
10. Doherty
11. Lyon

Probably the best we can do with the squad named to be honest.

Selectors will probably name an unchanged side.
 

Twizzle

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Swap Mo and Wade around and I would think thats about as strong as we can field although one of the quicks will probably be rotated for Satrc.

I'm surprised Siddle and Patto have not been broken yet.
 

vvvrulz

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Conceding significantly less runs at a significantly lower rate. Took wickets at a better average. And two batsmen that were fully in command and set could not get after him the way they did after Lyon. He took the same amount of wickets while being much less expensive. 15 maidens to 1.

And the above happened with 2 significant factors favouring Lyon and against X. Lyon bowled on a far more spin friendly pitch and Lyon had a much bigger amount of runs to defend.

Yes as you say they were equals, in terms of wickets. But in terms of every other measure, X was better.

Lyon should come in for Maxwell. But there is no way he is coming in for Doherty.

As it is with cricket generally, numbers don't tell the full story.

Economy rate is less important in test cricket and Doherty not once even looked like denting the 300+ stand. Vijay and Pujara took a conservative approach while Lyon had to face Dhoni on a rampage.

X took some cheap wickets in the end which really meant nothing given how far behind Australia were by then. Doesn't matter how many maidens you bowl if you can't get wickets you're completely harmless.

Bottom line is that both are ineffective poor spinners who won't win games for Australia, there is no argument that one is better than the other they're both crap.
 

Earl

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Cowan, Hughes & Watson all deserve to be dropped but the simple fact is the squad we have isn't good enough to replace all 3.

1. Ed Cowan
2. David Warner
3. Shane Watson
4. Michael Clarke
5. Usman Khawaja
6. Moises Henriques
7. Matthew Wade
8. Mitchell Johnson/Mitchell Starc
9. Peter Siddle
10. James Pattinson
11. Nathan Lyon

I know Glenn Maxwell & Xavier Doherty ended up with 7 wickets between them but they took 0 wickets when they where required, which was on day 2. They never ever threatened with the ball untill the Indians looked to go after them.

Shane Watson & Ed Cowan get one more test to do something of note before Steve Smith gets a game in the 4th test.
 

Mr Angry

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Merv Hughes has the answer

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madunit

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Since April 2012

Australia's batting order performance

1 - 872 Runs @ 43.60 - 50's x 5, 100's x 2, HS 136
2 - 510 Runs @ 25.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 68
3 - 568 Runs @ 28.40 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 87
4 - 438 Runs @ 21.90 - 50's x 3, 100's x 0, HS 83
5 - 1274 Runs @ 70.78 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 259*
6 - 862 Runs @ 45.37 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 115*
7 - 567 Runs @ 40.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 1, HS 106
8 - 321 Runs @ 21.40 - 50's x 2, 100's x 0, HS 92*
9 - 294 Runs @ 21.00 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68
10 - 189 Runs @ 18.90 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68*
11 - 113 Runs @ 18.83 - 50's x 0, 100's x 0, HS 40
Extras - 309 Runs @ 15.45
 

Red Bear

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The opening state are sort of flawed, given both have scored centuries in that time, would be better just doing Cowan and Warner in that time than position 1 or 2.
 

Eelementary

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Since April 2012

Australia's batting order performance

1 - 872 Runs @ 43.60 - 50's x 5, 100's x 2, HS 136
2 - 510 Runs @ 25.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 68
3 - 568 Runs @ 28.40 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 87
4 - 438 Runs @ 21.90 - 50's x 3, 100's x 0, HS 83
5 - 1274 Runs @ 70.78 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 259*
6 - 862 Runs @ 45.37 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 115*
7 - 567 Runs @ 40.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 1, HS 106
8 - 321 Runs @ 21.40 - 50's x 2, 100's x 0, HS 92*
9 - 294 Runs @ 21.00 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68
10 - 189 Runs @ 18.90 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68*
11 - 113 Runs @ 18.83 - 50's x 0, 100's x 0, HS 40
Extras - 309 Runs @ 15.45

Wow...No centuries from numbers two to four? Simply not good enough.
 

BDR

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Since April 2012

Australia's batting order performance

1 - 872 Runs @ 43.60 - 50's x 5, 100's x 2, HS 136
2 - 510 Runs @ 25.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 68
3 - 568 Runs @ 28.40 - 50's x 4, 100's x 0, HS 87
4 - 438 Runs @ 21.90 - 50's x 3, 100's x 0, HS 83
5 - 1274 Runs @ 70.78 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 259*
6 - 862 Runs @ 45.37 - 50's x 3, 100's x 4, HS 115*
7 - 567 Runs @ 40.50 - 50's x 4, 100's x 1, HS 106
8 - 321 Runs @ 21.40 - 50's x 2, 100's x 0, HS 92*
9 - 294 Runs @ 21.00 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68
10 - 189 Runs @ 18.90 - 50's x 1, 100's x 0, HS 68*
11 - 113 Runs @ 18.83 - 50's x 0, 100's x 0, HS 40
Extras - 309 Runs @ 15.45

Is this for tests, ODIs, t20 all combined or just Tests?

Just wondering who scored 68* batting at 10?
 

Horrie Is God

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CA is making massive $$ from playing India,in one format or another,basically every 18 months..

You would think they would invest some of that money into installing decks that mimic Indian pitches,& put them in Far NQ,NT & North Western Australia..places that would have the heat & humidity resembling what they would experience over there..

Then in preparation for test series there,play Shield games on those grounds..

Maybe even have each state play one Shield game per year on one of those decks..

It would encourage the state sides to nurture spinners & give them a deck they can prosper on,& give our batsmen more experience at the same time..
 

TheParraboy

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http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/sports/news-com-au/time-for-watson-to-step-up-arthur/924868

Time for Watson to step up - Arthur

Mar 06, 2013 3:31pm

AUSTRALIA coach Mickey Arthur says the time has come for Shane Watson to step up as a Test batsman, admitting he is "praying" for the vice-captain to break a century drought spanning almost three years.


Watson is under pressure to retain his spot for the third Test against India after failures in consecutive Tests, first in Chennai and again yesterday in Australia's crushing innings loss in Hyderabad.

After two Tests on this tour, Watson has 77 runs from four innings at 19.25, extending his Test century drought to 37 Test innings.


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Peter Badel: Watson must perform or perish

Intriguingly, Watson last blasted a Test ton in October 2010 at the Punjab Cricket Association Stadium in Mohali - the scene of the third Test on Thursday week.

Before the series, Watson, unable to bowl on this tour, declared he wanted to prove his bona fides as a top-six batsman and Arthur says D-Day has arrived for the out-of-sorts all-rounder.

"The truth be told, we really need Shane Watson firing now," Arthur said.

"Michael Clarke needs a lot of support in the batting.

"I don't think it's a technique thing at all.

"Every time Shane has gone to the wicket, he has looked brilliant.

"But he's been getting out for 20s. I just pray every time he goes to the wicket there's a big score because I think once he gets that one big score, that will unlock the shackles.

"We can't be a one-trick pony and we need other guys to stand up. We really do."

Watson is one of Australia's best-paid players under CA's contractual rankings but his Test record in the past 18 months has been mediocre.

After 40 Tests, his batting average has slipped to 36.03 and since August 2011, his mark has plummeted to 25.20 from 13 matches.
Of his 24 Test innings in that period, 17 have featured scores of 30 or less.

Mike Hussey not keen on rescue mission

Even skipper Michael Clarke says he isn't sure what Watson must do to transfer his brilliant one-day batting form to the Test arena.

"I don't know the answer to that, I'm not sure," he said.

"You probably have to ask Watto that question.

"I'm there to help him like every single batter, if there's areas he wants help, I'm there to support him. He's a very good player, he's a senior player in our team and like all of us we need to be scoring more runs.

"I certainly don't want to single Watto out and be having a shot at him. Our top six batters have not performed anywhere near as good as we need to.

"It's not about one player."

Clarke said he would convene with Watson and the batting group to ensure they stop the rot in the third Test.

The Australians today returned to Rajiv Gandhi Stadium - effectively day five of the Test match - to practice on the very wicket where they collapsed yesterday.

"I'm sure there will be times over the next few days where we will be spoken to as a batting unit and I will be part of the conversation," Clarke said.

"It is unacceptable the way we have batted.

"We have to be more disciplined with our shot selection. But I don't want guys to curb their natural instinct, I don't want guys to try and play a way they aren't comfortable doing.

"That will not get the best out of the player. And that's what we have to do, is get the best out of the team."

Wait a mo, Merv's got the answer

Annihilation forces Michael Clarke's hand

Now the Poms are laughing at us
 

TheParraboy

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Clarkey should make him bowl 30 overs this test, then we wont get thrashed, and Sunshine injured for 12 months

win-win allround
 
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