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Addin Fonua-Blake stood down by Dragons

dribble73

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The NRL does implement a 'No work, No Play' rule in the 20s where all players must be employed or studying in some capacity. They are also quite strict as to when the clubs can train. Can't remember the exact times but it generally allowed roughly 6 hours of employment or study throughout the day.
 

bottle

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TBH, this sorta makes my position on Packer waver a bit. There is clearly an attitude problem among the youngsters in the club. Whether that comes from boredom, poor/lack of leadership, boys being boys, or whatever, thats 2 of our top juniors stood down in the last few years for assault. Its a trend that has to be stopped.

And I'm not sure that bringing a guy to the club who has been convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm is the best way to combat this trend. Sure, he may be a good example of how to turn away from that attitude. But its a big risk. And with so many other forward options on the market for next year, it's one I dont know is worth taking at this stage.

I can't agree that two cases in two years is indicative of an attitude problem. I don't know shit from clay about the culture that exists, nor do I know how the rate of problems or offences compares to other clubs, or indeed the rate amongst that demographic in the general population. However I'd want to see some more evidence to convince me there's an issue.

I agree that the two cases we're aware of are worrying. I certainly hope it doesn't represent a trend.

On Fudge, if young blokes are going to go out and smack blokes in the head because he is signed then they have big issues. Surely someone can't be that easily influenced? If so, they are soft in the head.

I would hope that part of his role would be to counsel some of the young blokes with a spiel that goes along the lines of -
'I went within a hair's breadth of ruining a blokes life and enveloping his family in tragedy, not to mention the effect it would have had on myself and my family. I lost a substantial amount of money, and almost jeopardised my chance to earn a living from my chosen profession. Don't do it, be smart.'

I'm hopeful he can bring good, not harm, to our club and for himself.
 

grouch

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I would hope that part of his role would be to counsel some of the young blokes with a spiel that goes along the lines of -
"I fractured a dude's skull by stomping on his head, and walked straight out of prison into a juicy contract here. Even the coach was publicly making excuses for me. Have fun guys"
 

BennyV

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I can't agree that two cases in two years is indicative of an attitude problem. I don't know shit from clay about the culture that exists, nor do I know how the rate of problems or offences compares to other clubs, or indeed the rate amongst that demographic in the general population. However I'd want to see some more evidence to convince me there's an issue.

I agree that the two cases we're aware of are worrying. I certainly hope it doesn't represent a trend.

On Fudge, if young blokes are going to go out and smack blokes in the head because he is signed then they have big issues. Surely someone can't be that easily influenced? If so, they are soft in the head.

I would hope that part of his role would be to counsel some of the young blokes with a spiel that goes along the lines of -
'I went within a hair's breadth of ruining a blokes life and enveloping his family in tragedy, not to mention the effect it would have had on myself and my family. I lost a substantial amount of money, and almost jeopardised my chance to earn a living from my chosen profession. Don't do it, be smart.'

I'm hopeful he can bring good, not harm, to our club and for himself.

I dont think young blokes would go out and start fights because we signed him. But the timing of the signing is a bad look. And yes, he could spruik the good word to the youngsters, but there is a risk that they could take on board something similar to grouch's ramblings, and given our current league-topping rate of 1 assault per year, its a big risk.
 

The Nick

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"I fractured a dude's skull by stomping on his head, and walked straight out of prison into a juicy contract here. Even the coach was publicly making excuses for me. Have fun guys"

Cos 12 months prison with no means of supporting his young family would have been a breeze, hey!
 

Tucantango

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... ... ... I'm not sure that bringing a guy to the club who has been convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm is the best way to combat this trend. Sure, he may be a good example of how to turn away from that attitude. But its a big risk. And with so many other forward options on the market for next year, it's one I dont know is worth taking at this stage.

I would have to agree with you on this point. First he was discarded from the Bunnies and then the Eels and now the Dragons. The kid has an evil streak in him a mile wide and you only had to watch him play in his junior years to know this.

I remember watching one of his brutal incidents prior to the Harlold Matts comp in 2011. During a game a trial game at Erskinville Oval he 'deliberately' shoulder charged another player and sent that player into orbit. He was immediately called out by the ref. While being warned by the ref he looks over at the opposing team and kisses the shoulder which he used to knock the other kid out with. All in front of the ref!

This kid is a raw talent but his attitude is in the toilet and he will soon find his way into room by the sea (or river) courtesy of the Queen.
 

bottle

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I dont think young blokes would go out and start fights because we signed him. But the timing of the signing is a bad look. And yes, he could spruik the good word to the youngsters, but there is a risk that they could take on board something similar to grouch's ramblings, and given our current league-topping rate of 1 assault per year, its a big risk.

Well, I don't read grouch's ramblings, haven't for a while now, so I will have to defer to your interpretation of them.

'league-topping rate' haha, where's your supporting data brother?
Link or be Twenty-10ified.
 

Dezziedc

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I dont think young blokes would go out and start fights because we signed him. But the timing of the signing is a bad look. And yes, he could spruik the good word to the youngsters, but there is a risk that they could take on board something similar to grouch's ramblings, and given our current league-topping rate of 1 assault per year, its a big risk.



I don't think it's so much the timing of the signing that's a bad look, it's the AFB incident that could possibly now bring into question our ability to control players and rehabilitate them. The AFB incident would have done more damage than the Packer signing. Afterall, the Packer announcement came before the incident.

As was mentioned somewhere (can't remember where exactly), we do have a good reputation for rehabilitation of players and would make us an attractive option if the NRL were to allow Packer to play again. And you have to admit, our track record in this area is pretty good.

However, now with the AFB incident, it brings into question our rep in this area and whether or not it is the right environment for Packer.

I would hardly call this a trend though. Every club has their player issues. If we had 4 or 5 incidents over the past few years it would be cause for concern - whether it be assaults or some other criminal conduct (drunk driving, public nuisance, domestic violence etc). That would indicate to me that it has become a breeding ground for that sort of behavior and that it was accepted as part of the culture. However 2 similar incidents relatively close together doesn't indicate a trend at this point in time. If during this year we see more incidents along these lines, then questions would need to be asked.

The fact that we stood down Garvey immediately and we have done the same with AFB shows club responsibility and acceptance that action needs to be taken. Unlike the Bulldogs and the Roosters in recent history, we aren't trying to hide these player actions and are making efforts to take control of the situation.

Finally, we know nothing about the incident itself. It's pointless being judge, jury and executioner without the facts. It's all speculation at the moment.
 

possm

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In days gone by, some of our greatest football heroes were involved in some horrible altercations on and off the field. Yes times have changed and such behavior is no longer tolerated.

My take is that Packer is a hot head and at times would/could let his hands/feet to the talking. He needed to pay for his bad deeds and has now done so. I'm sure there would be a clause in his contract in reference to this matter.

I am prepared to give him a new start and hope he turns out to be a great buy for the Club.
 

BennyV

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Well, I don't read grouch's ramblings, haven't for a while now, so I will have to defer to your interpretation of them.

'league-topping rate' haha, where's your supporting data brother?
Link or be Twenty-10ified.

I only say that because I cant think of any other club with 2 assault charges in such quick succession recently!!!

I don't think it's so much the timing of the signing that's a bad look, it's the AFB incident that could possibly now bring into question our ability to control players and rehabilitate them. The AFB incident would have done more damage than the Packer signing. Afterall, the Packer announcement came before the incident.

As was mentioned somewhere (can't remember where exactly), we do have a good reputation for rehabilitation of players and would make us an attractive option if the NRL were to allow Packer to play again. And you have to admit, our track record in this area is pretty good.

However, now with the AFB incident, it brings into question our rep in this area and whether or not it is the right environment for Packer.

I would hardly call this a trend though. Every club has their player issues. If we had 4 or 5 incidents over the past few years it would be cause for concern - whether it be assaults or some other criminal conduct (drunk driving, public nuisance, domestic violence etc). That would indicate to me that it has become a breeding ground for that sort of behavior and that it was accepted as part of the culture. However 2 similar incidents relatively close together doesn't indicate a trend at this point in time. If during this year we see more incidents along these lines, then questions would need to be asked.

The fact that we stood down Garvey immediately and we have done the same with AFB shows club responsibility and acceptance that action needs to be taken. Unlike the Bulldogs and the Roosters in recent history, we aren't trying to hide these player actions and are making efforts to take control of the situation.

Finally, we know nothing about the incident itself. It's pointless being judge, jury and executioner without the facts. It's all speculation at the moment.

You've probably worded it a lot better than I did, but its that same basic sentiment. I'm not totally against Packer, because I'm not self-righteous enough to not give him the benefit of doubt in that he is remorseful and willing to work hard to prove he has turned a corner. However, the club is showing to not quite be the cleanskin family-oriented grounds for criminal rehabilitation that we are normally seen as.
 

nrlnrl

First Grade
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I would have to agree with you on this point. First he was discarded from the Bunnies and then the Eels and now the Dragons. The kid has an evil streak in him a mile wide and you only had to watch him play in his junior years to know this.

I remember watching one of his brutal incidents prior to the Harlold Matts comp in 2011. During a game a trial game at Erskinville Oval he 'deliberately' shoulder charged another player and sent that player into orbit. He was immediately called out by the ref. While being warned by the ref he looks over at the opposing team and kisses the shoulder which he used to knock the other kid out with. All in front of the ref!

This kid is a raw talent but his attitude is in the toilet and he will soon find his way into room by the sea (or river) courtesy of the Queen.

Thanks for the info, but he hasn't been discarded by the Dragons - only stood down until the court case.
 

love my saints

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"I fractured a dude's skull by stomping on his head, and walked straight out of prison into a juicy contract here. Even the coach was publicly making excuses for me. Have fun guys"

It was an unfortunate incident. Mary said so, and mary is a straight shooter...
Also, long live Doust.
 

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