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AFL 2006 - Round 7

CyberKev

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AuckMel said:
Collingwood showed they are the real deal last night.

Yeah, very strong effort in the West.

It would appear that I sold Collingwood short in the preseason.

A good time to have that membership, methinks. :)
 

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CyberKev said:
Yeah, very strong effort in the West.

It would appear that I sold Collingwood short in the preseason.

They were always a good bet fully fit IMO. Early days yet.

CyberKev said:
A good time to have that membership, methinks. :)

Indeed. :)
 

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2 True Blues said:
Swans absolutely kicked arse !!!! The Tigs were pussies !!

Pfft

Take Sydney's FIVE first choice defenders out of their line up and let's see how they travel. ANY team that goes into a game THAT undermanned is going to be pummeled.

It is clear with McGuane coming into the line up instead of Gaspar that Wallace had conceded the game before the bounce.

I am actually proud that they managed to stay in the game for 1 and a 1/2 quarters.


& yes, the goal umpire who didn't award Richo's goal is a dead set moron.
 

meltiger

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Now i don't rate Port too highly but Footscray showed some good signs today.

Fantastic win.
 

camsmith

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Kev, I see Judd had another crap game... how overrated is he? What an awful player.. how could anyone possibly think he is as good as the media says.. :sarcasm: :cool:

Mate, Judd is a champion and is winning games by himself. Like i said last week, he is only going to get better but it seems you will only stay in denial.
 

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camsmith said:
Kev, I see Judd had another crap game... how overrated is he? What an awful player.. how could anyone possibly think he is as good as the media says.. :sarcasm: :cool:

Mate, Judd is a champion and is winning games by himself. Like i said last week, he is only going to get better but it seems you will only stay in denial.

Golly, Judd is now the only player to play a couple of decent games, no wonder you're so keen to twirl the baton and shake the pompoms for him. :roll:

Just imagine how good he'd be if his disposal was above average, he could take a contested mark to save himself, and he put in the hard yards when the ball was going the other way.

Might be in the Matthews, Whitten, Carey class then...

And like the Eagles, he plays a lot of good games away from the comfortable surrounds of Fortress Subi doesn't he?
 

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CyberKev said:
Golly, Judd is now the only player to play a couple of decent games, no wonder you're so keen to twirl the baton and shake the pompoms for him. :roll:

Just imagine how good he'd be if his disposal was above average, he could take a contested mark to save himself, and he put in the hard yards when the ball was going the other way.

Might be in the Matthews, Whitten, Carey class then...

And like the Eagles, he plays a lot of good games away from the comfortable surrounds of Fortress Subi doesn't he?

Hey you are just annoyed becuase Hodge will get suspended! Judd is a superstar and you are the only one that thinks otherwise!:?
 

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lockyno1 said:
Agreed cam, so Kev do you still think Judd is ovverated?

Absolutely.

The most overrated player in VFL/AFL history.

Which, again for you Jokers, does not mean he is a dud.

He is among the top players in the game today, but he is not the best player in the game, much less the best player of a generation, much, much less the greatest player of all time.

People need some perspective.
 

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CyberKev said:
Absolutely.

The most overrated player in VFL/AFL history.

Which, again for you Jokers, does not mean he is a dud.

He is among the top players in the game today, but he is not the best player in the game, much less the best player of a generation, much, much less the greatest player of all time.

People need some perspective.

Maybe after his second BROWNLOW this year you may change your mind! Face it any team would have Judd as their first picked! He is a a champion and will be the AA captain this year the way he is going! How did Powderpuff go again?:lol:
 

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So Kev, which players currently playing are better than him?

More to the point, which midfielders are better than him?
He seemed to alright at taking contested marks when he won the game for the Eagles last year against us.

I agree that he's not the best player of the generation, or of all time yet. Simply because we might not have seen the best of him, we wont know until he is close to or has finished his career.

I know you have a love affair with KPP (Pav comes to mind) but midfielders are just as good if not more needed in the current game than KPP (look at dogs..)
 

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I actually missed the freo game this week, Im sure he was again playing like the best player in the comp should and would of easily out-class Judd again... :D

Consistency is what separates the good players from the great ones. Remember that.
 

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camsmith said:
I actually missed the freo game this week, Im sure he was again playing like the best player in the comp should and would of easily out-class Judd again... :D

Consistency is what separates the good players from the great ones. Remember that.

I know but Kev's love affair with Powderpuff is quite bizare to say the least! Juddy is a champion and there is a reason he is rated very highly! Kev is just annoyed Hodge will be suspended thats all I think!:lol:
 

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lockyno1 said:
Maybe after his second BROWNLOW this year you may change your mind!

Brownlows...

He'll probably win 10 of them if umpires keep giving him extra undeserved votes on his media-feulled reputation as they did to get him over the line in 2003.

Matthews, Whitten, Carey, Ablett & Dunstall were all clearly better players than Judd and none of them won a Brownlow.
 

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lol

West Coast beat a Collingwood team minus Nathan Buckley by a mere 3 goals and people are once again ejaculating over Judd.

It's a sad state of affairs when someone as unaccountable as Judd is considered the best in the game by many who spend far too much time reading the opinions or moronic journalists.
 

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lockyno1 said:
Judd is a superstar and you are the only one that thinks otherwise!:?


Kev doesn't beleive Judd is the best in the game ... He's not the only one.
 

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camsmith said:
So Kev, which players currently playing are better than him?

Over the past couple of weeks, probably none. Over 2005 there were quite a few, as there were over the opening month of 2006 and as there will be at other times across 2006.

camsmith said:
More to the point, which midfielders are better than him?

When fit: Cousins, West, Riccuito & Hodge.

camsmith said:
He seemed to alright at taking contested marks when he won the game for the Eagles last year against us.

On that day he took 11 marks (almost all uncontested). That was a personal record, as he had only taken 7 marks in a game before then. Only twice in his career has he taken more than 6 marks in a game and his contested mark average is 0.4 per game.

camsmith said:
I agree that he's not the best player of the generation, or of all time yet. Simply because we might not have seen the best of him, we wont know until he is close to or has finished his career.

We have certainly seen the best of him.

Why?

He is a physical player who relies 100% on his legspeed, meaning that any injuries to his legs will impact upon his effectiveness. His disposal is clearly below a number of his midfield peers and this won't improve significantly, because you can only ever manage slight improvement to a players ground skills once they reach a certain developmental point. Pace can diminish with wear and tear, but skills and smarts won't, so I'd expect other midfielders to also have longer careers.

camsmith said:
I know you have a love affair with KPP (Pav comes to mind) but midfielders are just as good if not more needed in the current game than KPP (look at dogs..)

I don't believe this.

The Bulldogs look good against ordinary opposition lacking strong KPP in defence (hence their thumpings of sides like Richmond & Port), but will struggle against more rounded sides (hence their thrashing by Adelaide and loss to a struggling St Kilda).

If they Hounds had a stronger KPP presence up forward they would comfortably be outright premiership favourites.

This is also why West Coast will still struggle away from the comfortable surrounds of Fortress Subi, when their midfielders don't have the same space to continually run to (and through) and their lack of strong forward options are exposed.

It should also be noted that we're at a low point re: KPP depth & quality. A number of the games better talls are either past their use by date or struggling with injury, at the same time that a big clump of them are too young and raw to have made their mark yet.

I've never argued a case for KPP at the expense of a quality midfield, but rather I've always suggested a strong structural balance is the preferred option for any serious premiership contender. You always need a lot of midfielders, but you always have a lot to choose from. You need less KPP, but they're always in shorter supply, hence the greater value of the small number of good ones that exist.
 

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camsmith said:
Consistency is what separates the good players from the great ones. Remember that.

From AFL.com:

"For Fremantle, Matthew Pavlich was yet again his side's best performer, finishing with 25 touches"

If Pavlich was in a side like West Coast, where he would get plaenty of support, he would be on clover. Fremantle are shockers.

As always, when Judd is playing well those around him are playing well, and there's a number of them to do so.

Switch the two players and West Coast would continue to dominate, although with a player like Pavlich up forward, it would surely be a bigger threat away from Subi.

Freo would continue to struggle, however.
 

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