AFL 2006 - Round 7

[CyberKev]

Kev doesn't beleive Judd is the best in the game ... He's not the only one.

Haha, Craig.

I'm thinking we should chip-in for blue & gold cheerleading outfits for Cammers and the Lockmeister :lol:

I'm thinking that the pair of them are probably pouring over match reports from the Subi game and getting all moist in the nethers as I type this.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

At the risk of this turning into a "mydiksbiggerthanyours" thread I have to ask for a seat on Kevs bandwagon re Judd. Good, but hardly great.

On a side note, & no counting chickens, but damn it's wunderbar to see Western with some bloody mongrel in them again. Win or lose this year they are hard at the ball & willing to stand ground which was always a trademark but disappeared a few years ago. I've always been an advocate of rebirthing a Libba or Southern (Dolly the sheep style) but if this type of play continues I may stay out of the lab a little longer! :lol:

Well maybe when we kick a bit straighter actually...

 

[Cupid Stunt]

Bugger me i start to type a reply & hit send only to see Kev has dumped 64 more... I need to learn to type faster :lol:

 

[lockyno1]

From AFL.com:

"For Fremantle, Matthew Pavlich was yet again his side's best performer, finishing with 25 touches"

Yet they still got thrashed! I've said it before and I'll say it again Pav should play 30% of the game in the midfield and win the game for his side, hence the reason a player like Goodes is 5 times the player Pav is!

 

[lockyno1]

Haha, Craig.

I'm thinking we should chip-in for blue & gold cheerleading outfits for Cammers and the Lockmeister :lol:

I'm thinking that the pair of them are probably pouring over match reports from the Subi game and getting all moist in the nethers as I type this.

Judd is one of the best midfielders in the game. Probally no1 but that is a OPINION. He can turn a match on its head and will pick up Brownlow after Brownlow and define himself as a GREAT of the game. We have not seen the best of Judd!:shock:

 

[CyberKev]

Yet they still got thrashed! I've said it before and I'll say it again Pav should play 30% of the game in the midfield and win the game for his side, hence the reason a player like Goodes is 5 times the player Pav is!

He was playing in the midfield. He gets dragged all over the paddock to plug holes for the Dockers.

Unfortunately, the players around him are, by and large, hacks.

Be it Judd or Goodes (and the latter is another player I rate more highly than the former), Freo would still be battling along as a middle of the road side. Its only Pav's ability and input that gets them that far.

 

[CyberKev]

...will pick up Brownlow after Brownlow and define himself as a GREAT of the game.

If umpires keep enslaving themselves to the media and giving him excess underserved votes simply because he makes a couple of nice looking runs, then I dare say he will win several Brownlows.

 

[CyberKev]

Honestly, I used to think that things were as bad as they could get with Tim Watson, but that was just a practice run.

The similarities between he and Judd are uncanny. Like Judd, his game was predicated on line-bursting runs, but while he didn't get the weight of possession that Judd gets, he did use the ball a lot better.

It was the same overworked crap from the media and the uncritical public though.

He'd make a line bust and the crowd would go - "Oooooh Timmy, get thee to a sperm bank post-haste for ye simply must sporn a thousand offspring" and it didn't really matter what else he did (or didn't) do for the rest of the match, because he was a unique pagan God.

 

[lockyno1]

He was playing in the midfield. He gets dragged all over the paddock to plug holes for the Dockers.

Unfortunately, the players around him are, by and large, hacks.

Be it Judd or Goodes (and the latter is another player I rate more highly than the former), Freo would still be battling along as a middle of the road side. Its only Pav's ability and input that gets them that far.

Pav does not play ENOUGH in the midfield! If he is that good, which he is NOT, he should be in the middle winning the games for his side! Juddy has freakish ability and skills that we should just admire. In the end Juddy brings fans to the game and shortly he will continue his rise to greatness in the football world. He has all round ability and natural talent that many midfielders don't!

 

[meltiger]

Locky, one thing I will back Kev on here is with Pav in the middle - He can only play where he is told too.

If his coach (Remembering he has a coach worse than Grant Thomas) is insistent on him playing @ CHF, there is not alot he can do.

I still don't think he's as good as Brown though.

You do ignore the fact that Judd is highly unaccountable when the ball is travelling in the other direction.

 

[lockyno1]

Locky, one thing I will back Kev on here is with Pav in the middle - He can only play where he is told too.

If his coach (Remembering he has a coach worse than Grant Thomas) is insistent on him playing @ CHF, there is not alot he can do.

I still don't think he's as good as Brown though.

You do ignore the fact that Judd is highly unaccountable when the ball is travelling in the other direction.

Well maybe he should be doing the exact opposite to his coach- IT IS NOT WORKING! The coaching can't be that bad Mark Harvey is there and from all reports is a damn fine coach. I agree with the last line to a point. Judd has become better in the last 12 months. He is only 23 and will improve on this point. But by saying that he is still the best midfielder around.

 

[CyberKev]

Pav does not play ENOUGH in the midfield!

He plays well there when he does though. Its hardly his fault that, unlike Judd, he can play well in any number of positions. He was even used successfully in the ruck against West Coast.

If he is that good, which he is NOT, he should be in the middle winning the games for his side!

Yawn. It was clearly silly of Pagan to always play Carey up forward because, if he had of been any good, he would have been played in the midfield. :roll:

Forwards will always win and lose you matches. The Eagles are poor up forward, and as such they instruct their midfielders to run the ball more in an effort to get closer to goal and kick more goals themselves to compensate for an underperforming forward setup. Its this approach that leaves the side vulnerable away from Subi and against quality sides with good structural balance.

has all round ability and natural talent that many midfielders don't!

All round ability?????

Try he has the searing legspeed and capacity to find the pill thant many don't, and you'll be believable.

 

[lockyno1]

He plays well there when he does though. Its hardly his fault that, unlike Judd, he can play well in any number of positions. He was even used successfully in the ruck against West Coast.

Yawn. It was clearly silly of Pagan to always play Carey up forward because, if he had of been any good, he would have been played in the midfield. :roll:

Forwards will always win and lose you matches. The Eagles are poor up forward, and as such they instruct their midfielders to run the ball more in an effort to get closer to goal and kick more goals themselves to compensate for an underperforming forward setup. Its this approach that leaves the side vulnerable away from Subi and against quality sides with good structural balance.

All round ability?????

Try he has the searing legspeed and capacity to find the pill thant many don't, and you'll be believable.

Judd can play up foward and has done so on occasions but is not needed up forward when he is so devastating in the midfield! Why would you waste the best midfielder in the comp up forward! The Eagles have improved this year and they have been using Adam Hunter a bit more up there which is a good thing. Lynch has been pretty useful as well. Judd has more natural ability than most midfielders. He has the legspeed and he has a good kick for goal! Juddy will be one of the greats of the game!

 

[CyberKev]

Well maybe he should be doing the exact opposite to his coach- IT IS NOT WORKING!

Its not working principally because when he's up forward the midfield lack the oomph and depth of class to supply him with good ball delivery, and when he's in the midfield, the side lacks the forward grunt to capitalise on his work.

The coaching can't be that bad Mark Harvey is there and from all reports is a damn fine coach.

:lol: comedy gold.

I agree with the last line to a point. Judd has become better in the last 12 months. He is only 23 and will improve on this point. But by saying that he is still the best midfielder around.

He has the same approach to accountability that he had in his first year.

I'm not that concerned by this, as all sides need good pacy running players to provide extra attacking thrust and if that's what they do best, then let them concentrate on that.

If you're a one-way player, however, you waive the right to being called best player in the comp for mine though. Such titles should be for players with depth and diversity to their game.

 

[lockyno1]

Its not working principally because when he's up forward the midfield lack the oomph and depth of class to supply him with good ball delivery, and when he's in the midfield, the side lacks the forward grunt to capitalise on his work.

:lol: comedy gold.

He has the same approach to accountability that he had in his first year.

I'm not that concerned by this, as all sides need good pacy running players to provide extra attacking thrust and if that's what they do best, then let them concentrate on that.

If you're a one-way player, however, you waive the right to being called best player in the comp for mine though. Such titles should be for players with depth and diversity to their game.

Pav does bugger all and goes missing in most hard games! He looks great when the team wins by 30+ but to me a great player looks good when the chips are down. What have you got against Mark Harvey! He is the best young coach coming out of Essendon for some time. How is Judd a one-dimensional player. He kicks enough goals up forward to dispute this. He kicked 4 on the weekend. He is a a crafty goalkicker and a great midfielder- hence he is versatile!

 

[CyberKev]

Judd can play up foward and has done so on occasions but is not needed up forward when he is so devastating in the midfield! Why would you waste the best midfielder in the comp up forward!

Its not a case of not moving Judd because its his best position, its a case of not moving him because its his only position.

He struggles up forward because he gets cramped for space and can't stride out and utilise his pace, and he struggles up forward because he is not a good mark of a football.

He is also not the best midfielder in the comp.

The Eagles have improved this year and they have been using Adam Hunter a bit more up there which is a good thing. Lynch has been pretty useful as well.

Hunter is an average peripheral defender/forward who will always struggle against quality opposition. Lynch is, well, dear god where are the words to describe him???

Judd has more natural ability than most midfielders. He has the legspeed and he has a good kick for goal! Juddy will be one of the greats of the game!

If by natural ability you mean 'searing legspeed' then yes, he has more of that than any of the other midfielders.

He can also kick a good goal (provided he's inside the 50 arc), but this is also indicative of the weak nature of the Eagles forward line that results in a game plan forcing the midfielders to get forward more to compensate.

His overall skills and football smarts are certainly below a good few other midfielders though.

 

[CyberKev]

Pav does bugger all and goes missing in most hard games! He looks great when the team wins by 30+ but to me a great player looks good when the chips are down.

How good does Judd look when the team is struggling?

Its interesting that when Judd is doing well there are always other Eagle midfielders running loose and knocking up the possies.

Gets it easy does Juddy, would like to see him as the central focus in a side short on options.

 

[lockyno1]

Its not a case of not moving Judd because its his best position, its a case of not moving him because its his only position.

He struggles up forward because he gets cramped for space and can't stride out and utilise his pace, and he struggles up forward because he is not a good mark of a football.

He is also not the best midfielder in the comp.



Hunter is an average peripheral defender/forward who will always struggle against quality opposition. Lynch is, well, dear god where are the words to describe him???



If by natural ability you mean 'searing legspeed' then yes, he has more of that than any of the other midfielders.

He can also kick a good goal (provided he's inside the 50 arc), but this is also indicative of the weak nature of the Eagles forward line that results in a game plan forcing the midfielders to get forward more to compensate.

His overall skills and football smarts are certainly below a good few other midfielders though.

Midfield is not judd's only position. When Judd came on the scene he played a bit of forward you know. Similar to how deledio has been playing lately. He is very versatile. I would love to know how his football smarts are low considering he is a captain and knows how to dodge traffic like no one else! Hunter is ok and Lynch as much as you bag him did well this week!

 

[lockyno1]

How good does Judd look when the team is struggling?

Seemed to do ok in the 2005 GF! Remind me who got the Norm Smith again Kev.......JUDD!

 

[meltiger]

lol 8 weeks ago it was Brown V Pav, now it's Pav V Judd and Judd V the world :lol:

Can't we all just get along!