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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

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DiegoNT

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Smith is a trained up NRL captain and as such will always argue with a ref that an incident was not as bad as it looked, they all do it and have since the beginning of time. Anyone that says different is not in the real world, but he got it wrong on that night (and should say he did) - doesn't make him a arsehole, merkin or anything else except human (we all make mistakes).

I don't support Melbourne (shouldn't be in the comp, at all) or Qld.

I have no problem with smith doing it initially, like you said nrl captains are pretty much trained to do it. But after Alex had been on the ground screaming he couldn't feel his legs, after doctors spent 10 minutes stabilizing him while everyone else on the ground were in shock over what was obviously a serious injury. To still try and argue the penalty after all of that and trying to blame alex for bringing it on himself while he was being stretchered off is just a callous act
 

betcats

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Smith is a trained up NRL captain and as such will always argue with a ref that an incident was not as bad as it looked, they all do it and have since the beginning of time. Anyone that says different is not in the real world, but he got it wrong on that night (and should say he did) - doesn't make him a arsehole, merkin or anything else except human (we all make mistakes).

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You are the guy who said he was trying to get a penalty by ducking his head right? lol f**k off.

IF smith just made a mistake why hasn't he addressed it? Never even contacted Alex.
 

Apey

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Oh god this reminds me of earlier in the thread where people were saying the natural reaction would to bend your head backwards instead :lol:

You are wrong, the fear instinct has you flexing away from danger not ducking into it.

The analogy to your statement would be the "flight" instinct when in fear would have you run towards the danger.

He said last night he was disorientated in the tackle that is why he ducked his chin into his chest, worse mistake with such a tackle.

Welcome back I missed you.
 

magpie4ever

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You are the guy who said he was trying to get a penalty by ducking his head right? lol f**k off.

IF smith just made a mistake why hasn't he addressed it? Never even contacted Alex.

Look Chumpion, Alex admited deliberately ducking his head in last night. Said he was disoriented, so I believe him. There were rumours at the time that Newcastle were being coached to roll in lifting tackles - that is what I was concerned with, at the time (very silly, if true).

3rd hand, Smith attempted to visit him in hospital but was told - no.

As said, did what all captains do - talk down the severity of the incident but got it wrong on the night due to the tragic end result.
 
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betcats

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Look Chumpion, Alex admited deliberately ducking his head in last night. Said he was disoriented, so I believe him. There were rumours at the time that Newcastle were being coached to roll in lifting tackles - that is what I was concerned with, at the time (very silly, if true).

3rd hand, Smith attempted to visit him in hospital but was told - no.

As said, did what all captains do - talk down the severity of the incident but got it wrong on the night due to the tragic end result.

He also said this:


"And as I lay there heavily-sedated in hospital after the accident, I certainly wasn’t aware of the opinion being voiced by some current players, commentators and experts that the tackle was partly my fault because I had ducked my head into my chest, prior to the crushing impact with the turf.
I understand people are free to have their say, I get that absolutely. It’s one of the reasons why I am able to tell my story.
But I would ask every single one of them one simple question, including Melbourne Storm captain Cameron Smith, who (given his comments on the field at the time) was obviously of the view that me losing all feeling in my arms and legs is my fault because I had ducked my head.
If you were about to get dropped on your head, what exactly would be your response?
would not wish the situation I find myself in today on my worst enemy — but I would be interested to see what those people would do if they were, indeed, dropped on their head.
When you have two people holding your arms and someone weighing 115kg lifting your legs up off the ground, I’m sorry, but what are you going to do?
In its simplest form, it’s similar to having a bucket of water tossed at your face.
Do you twist, turn or duck to escape copping a bucket full of water? Or do you happily cop the cold water straight in your eyes?
If someone is about to punch you in the face, do you try and duck and move, or do you keep still and wear the hit?
It’s a reflex thing."


Also being told no didn't stop nrl rookie Jordan McClean from getting a msg to alex but it is a convenient excuse for the Aus Captain? He was in a coma and had surgery of course they didn't want to talk then what a cop out excuse from Melbourne, complete damage control. But like Alex said McClean still got a message to Alex.
 
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Maximus

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Even SLater said we all knew this was something very bad on the field.

Yep and clearly Clydesdale could tell there was something seriously wrong.

Take a good look at the faces of every player on the field at AAMI Park that night.
Watch my old mate from Scone, Newcastle hooker Adam Clydesdale, who preparing to collect the football after I had played-the-ball, looks down at the perilous state I?m in and in shock ... begins taking as many steps backwards as he can.
Too distraught, watch Adam stand as far away as me as possible when the medical staff arrive.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ography-unbroken/story-fni2u98u-1227429551442

I watched the footage, and sure enough you can see him walking away absolutely distraught. Bennett said in the interview that he knew it was serious straight away (and he wouldn't have heard McKinnon screaming that he couldn't feel his legs), but went into denial straight away. I posted an article earlier where Chambers said he had to walk away because he knew it was bad and couldn't watch. Korbin Sims said he saw 1 replay and knew it was bad. All of these people knew something was seriously wrong, but the Smith defenders want to try to tell us that he had no way of knowing it was serious? What a joke.

Hang on Smith tried to visit him in hospital and was turned away.

Yeah because he was in a coma.

Or maybe it is just a beat up to sell more books and get more money out of 60minutes? Nothing sells like a bit of controversy on the eve of origin!

Ah so that is why you didn't answer the question last night. You think it was just faux outrage from McKinnon but don't want to admit it.
 

Perth Red

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Come on News Ltd/60mins/LU come up with another RL beat up story so we can all move on, please lol.
 

magpie4ever

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He also said this:


"And as I lay there heavily-sedated in hospital after the accident, I certainly wasn?t aware of the opinion being voiced by some current players, commentators and experts that the tackle was partly my fault because I had ducked my head into my chest, prior to the crushing impact with the turf.
I understand people are free to have their say, I get that absolutely. It?s one of the reasons why I am able to tell my story.
But I would ask every single one of them one simple question, including Melbourne Storm captain Cameron Smith, who (given his comments on the field at the time) was obviously of the view that me losing all feeling in my arms and legs is my fault because I had ducked my head.
If you were about to get dropped on your head, what exactly would be your response?
would not wish the situation I find myself in today on my worst enemy ? but I would be interested to see what those people would do if they were, indeed, dropped on their head.
When you have two people holding your arms and someone weighing 115kg lifting your legs up off the ground, I?m sorry, but what are you going to do?
In its simplest form, it?s similar to having a bucket of water tossed at your face.
Do you twist, turn or duck to escape copping a bucket full of water? Or do you happily cop the cold water straight in your eyes?
If someone is about to punch you in the face, do you try and duck and move, or do you keep still and wear the hit?
It?s a reflex thing."


Also being told no didn't stop nrl rookie Jordan McClean from getting a msg to alex but it is a convenient excuse for the Aus Captain? He was in a coma and had surgery of course they didn't want to talk then what a cop out excuse from Melbourne, complete damage control. But like Alex said McClean still got a message to Alex.


Many, many reflexes face plant, flex your neck back, drop the ball arms out to brace - it has all been said. It will not give a miracle change to this tragedy.

As said, Smith got it wrong on the night - but to err is human. Doubt you would know that.
 

MilkShark

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Can't believe the anger has turned to Smith because he was standing up for his team and hasn't apologised for it. What is this, primary school? For the record I am far far far from a Cameron Smith fan but this sob story for Alex has run it's course.

Rugby league is tough, injuries have and always will happen, get used to it.
 
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Craig Johnston

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Many, many reflexes face plant, flex your neck back, drop the ball arms out to brace - it has all been said. It will not give a miracle change to this tragedy.

As said, Smith got it wrong on the night - but to err is human. Doubt you would know that.

except humans that f**k up, man up and apologise.

smith chose to stick to his guns like the covert smug stubborn grub he is
 
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