Anthony Griffin

[Fangs]

In most work places that would happen. Regular reviews... Fire incompetent staff. Leave new staff to do their job... Until reviews show otherwise

I think just about everyone would agree with that. Puzzling that we kept him on, and by the looks of things it was to save Gus' reputation. A bit petty.

 

[franklin2323]

True he may have an axe to grind. But plenty of players move on from clubs and don't speak foul about former coaches.

We've heard this from numerous sources now. Ex-players aren't orchestrating a media campaign against Anthony Griffin.

Our current captain said he was fine and had no issue with him. Personality clashes happen all the time. Doesn't mean either side is right or wrong

 

[franklin2323]

I think just about everyone would agree with that. Puzzling that we kept him on, and by the looks of things it was to save Gus' reputation. A bit petty.

It just shows Gus uses the club as his play thing

 

[Kilkenny]

At the end of the day I make the following observations;

1. Anthony Griffin didn't inherit a kingdom (quote from a famous movie) and he didn't inherit a top four roster.

2. Despite the best efforts of Phil Gould and other's we still don't quite have a top four roster.

3. Anthony Griffin was a master of his own destiny and you don't bite the hand that feed's you which is in this case Phil Gould.

4. We are, or were, on the cusp of a dynasty not to win the premiership on a regular basis but to make the finals year in year out sort of dynasty but that is pretty much disappearing before our eyes.

5. Anthony Griffin can be proud of his achievements in his time at the club overseeing making the top eight in three consecutive seasons while at the same time not quite getting the best from the undoubted talent he had at his disposal.

6. In 2018 we have enjoyed record membership, great home crowd attendances and for the most part exciting footy even allowing for the fact we have to come from behind to secure victory.

7. We are not a cluster so and so as some on here have alluded too. We are a great club, a strong club, a club heading in the right direction even if it doesn't quite feel that way right now.

8. If we get through these difficult times (days) we will come out at the other end a stronger club, with a playing roster that will be even better in 2019 and beyond.

9. We will be premiers in the very near future, just not this season, but it was never going to be this season.

10. In conclusion, I am a fan, I express my opinions nothing more nothing less. I don't know what happens behind closed doors, behind the scenes, in the dressing room. I only see what I see on the footy field once a week for a little more than half of the calendar year. We have been blessed this past three years or so but we didn't quite appreciate it because we expected more. Gus has done his best, Anthony Griffin too and the players well they do there best work in the last 10 or second half to get us out of jail.

11. Gus hasn't delivered on his five year plan apparently,even though such a plan was not about guaranteeing a premiership. We have been spoiled. As fans we do not know how do deal with success, by success I mean making the semi finals three years in row.

12. In closing I do not wish to be melodramatic. I will continue to support the Panthers with the same passion I have for the past 50 years but my time is up on this forum. Nothing to do with anybody or anything that has occurred on this forum I have enjoyed every minute including my recent jousts with Billy. Here's hoping for four wins to close out the season and some success in the finals series.Bye from Kilkenny.

 

[Fangs]

Our current captain said he was fine and had no issue with him. Personality clashes happen all the time. Doesn't mean either side is right or wrong

Bit sketch on current players saying it. I would assume they'd keep it in house.

Its like players having issues with Moylan last year. Or the rumours about Martin.

 

[franklin2323]

Bit sketch on current players saying it. I would assume they'd keep it in house.

Its like players having issues with Moylan last year. Or the rumours about Martin.

Well at Broncs then. Corey Parker speaks highly of Hook. Webcke and as we found out Hannant doesn't. Neither side is wrong or right

If Griffin was under review as Gus has said. Why would they get rid of the above guys on his say so? So stuff happened. We only will get opinions and not facts.

 

[Das Hassler]

Just to make mention of something a few have tried to get traction from in the various threads. ...that the Tigers have sacked coaches under contract so have no moral hi ground. FACT is that has no similarity to whats happening here as each coach was terminated and paid out ( as every club has done) and each of them were unemployed as coaches prior to being signed as were the coaches that replaced them....Sheens....Potter....Taylor ...Cleary ...each applied for the position while looking for a headcoach opportunity . They weren't poached under contract....tigers never destabalised another club to repair their own mess . That's a big difference to the lame ethics comparison some have tried to peddle
Thank uou...Back to your regular program

Just to add...you do have some very reasonable and fairminded people here.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Just to make mention of something a few have tried to get traction from in the various threads. ...that the Tigers have sacked coaches under contract so have no moral hi ground. FACT is that has no similarity to whats happening here as each coach was terminated and paid out ( as every club has done) and each of them were unemployed as coaches prior to being signed as were the coaches that replaced them....Sheens....Potter....Taylor ...Cleary ...each applied for the position while looking for a headcoach opportunity . They weren't poached under contract....tigers never destabalised another club to repair their own mess . That's a big difference to the lame ethics comparison some have tried to peddle
Thank uou...Back to your regular program

Just to add...you do have some very reasonable and fairminded people here.

Yes but the tigers are in a position to demand compensation just like they compensated the coaches they sacked. It’s really not that much different. Cleary is sacking the tigers.

And fwiw I hope he stays with the tigers, but you should be a lot more angry with Cleary than with Penrith. Clubs look after their own interests, just like when the tigers parched Pascoe.

 

[Das Hassler]

Yes but the tigers are in a position to demand compensation just like they compensated the coaches they sacked. It’s really not that much different. Cleary is sacking the tigers.

And fwiw I hope he stays with the tigers, but you should be a lot more angry with Cleary than with Penrith. Clubs look after their own interests, just like when the tigers parched Pascoe.

I'm not angry...never said i was. I"m just addressing a specific accusation of unethical conduct regarding coaches levelled st the tigers. That the tigers can seek compensation is beside the point....you personally could also seek compensation for any act of vandalism on your property but that doesn't justify the act. True....as you say some clubs will do anything in their own self interest but how far in that direction do you want to go? Gus's strutting press conference on Tuesday was full on roosters predatory arrogance. ..he's toned it right down in words and attitude since the blowback from across the league community and the tigers immediate pushback...get Cleary or not it's been a P.R. and image disaster but if winning's the only thing as it is at Gus's almamata ( Bondi Junction) then that shouldn't be a problem...it'll blow over soon enough and you can go on your merry do anything it takes winning way.

 

[mxlegend99]

He is the victim though, the only people saying otherwise are Gus & a handful on here. Everyone without a dog in the fight says he’s been poorly treated regardless of his coaching ability.

I called it a serious accusation, which it is. I don’t think I said it was 100% fact. I don’t know if it is, I’m leaning towards believing it but that’s just my opinion. Not sure it’s something that can be proved either way.

And how many victims were there as a result of Griffin?

Its the exact same f**king situation as all of the guys he pushed out of a club early. He was given 3 years here and fought his boss at every step along the way, pushing away all the resources he was provided with.

The timing might be harsh. But when you refuse to work with your boss or work colleagues you're living on borrowed time. It's as simple as that.

Hook said this was Goulds club. Top to bottom. Yet nearly everything else he said indicated he ghought he was responsible top to bottom. Even for shit happening before he arrived.

The club is better off without him. He has contributed everything he can to us snd the club knew that. But they still tried to work with him. He refused to work with them. This is a team sport and Hook refused to be a team player.

 

[OldPanther]

He is the victim though, the only people saying otherwise are Gus & a handful on here. Everyone without a dog in the fight says he’s been poorly treated regardless of his coaching ability.

I called it a serious accusation, which it is. I don’t think I said it was 100% fact. I don’t know if it is, I’m leaning towards believing it but that’s just my opinion. Not sure it’s something that can be proved either way.

Actually everyone has a dog in this fight. It is being used as a stick to beat Gus with because everyone dislikes him from his time in commentary and the journalists hate bim for obvious reasons.

I think old panther is a tad senile. Have a lie down you wrinkly old fool.

How about go f**k yourself merkin. It's how Gus presents things in the podcast and I said "sounds like".

 

[mxlegend99]

In a workplace. No one could work with the GM checking in every day... Telling them how they should do their job

Hook said it wasn't uncommon not talk to Gus for months to 6 weeks at a time.

He refused to work with his boss and other coaching staff. With several of them leaving. The club seems to have done everything they could along theway to hrlp Griffin and he refused that help.

We let a lot of talented players leave backing the coach. 12 months ago we could have backed a different horse and avoided this whole mess. Or at the very least not extended Hook. Back him the rest of his contract and make him earn his extension.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ahhh yes, the impeccable character of Seggy. Maybe if he wasn’t too busy snorting lines off Norman’s dong he would still be at the club.

Or maybe Hook drove him to drugs. He was hooker of the year in 2014. 2 years later he's being coached by Hook and hit rock bottom.

Coincidence? I think not.

Btw have Soward and Hannant been found to be druggies? Because they shared the same view also.

 

[betcats]

I am with you there. Changes need to happen over the off season. Defined roles is a good start

No mention of him not being allowed to pick his team though, where did that rumour come from??

Seems to be a lot of rumours that only you hear that get proven wrong.

 

[betcats]

Listening to that muppet talk about grinding footy makes me sooo glad he’s gone!!!

f**k that shit. He had one plan and one plan only, how did he ever hired ffs.

 

[OldPanther]

From Young_Rust on reddit. Very good bloke with a good mind for the club and game:

Hook handled himself admirably I thought.

I don't think anything he said really contradicts anything coming out of Penrith. More that he disagreed on the degree to which there was a problem.

While the focus was on Gus, the 360 interview definitely missed the fact that Gus was one of the last people to come around to the fact that Hook needed to go. It's not fair to say this was Gus and Gus alone. In fact Gus was one of Hook's defenders when there was pressure to sack him earlier.

At the end of the day though, Hook needed to go. Probably in the offseason, but his days were numbered. Regardless of the off-field issues, I think the on-field issues are obvious. I definitely don't agree that we were "ahead of where we should have been" and I don't really think Griffin thinks that either. As an aside our juniors also weren't a mess before Griffin arrived. That's absolute nonsense.

To anyone who feels strongly towards Griffin after that interview, he's all yours.

Edit: the other thing that's interesting is that it sounds like O'Neill and the board may genuinely have orchestrated this Cleary coup without Gus. As in, it's not just Gus saying that to covering his arse. Possibly to the extent that they cut him out / undermined him on this one and forced his hand to terminate Griffin immediately. Some of what Gus said on his podcast was quite candid, but nothing he said about the timing of terminating Hook's contract made any goddamn sense at all. I'm very interested to see if this develops. There's some talk that Ivan may genuinely not be Gus' first choice.

 

[mxlegend99]

Listening to that muppet talk about grinding footy makes me sooo glad he’s gone!!!

f**k that shit. He had one plan and one plan only, how did he ever hired ffs.

Because Gus didnt interview him or anyone else.

They dont share the same coaching philosophy.. as Hook kept saying. An interview might have caught that.

 

[OldPanther]

Because Gus didnt interview him or anyone else.

They dont share the same coaching philosophy.. as Hook kept saying. An interview might have caught that.

If anyone has one of those interview things we could borrow it'd be appreciated.

 

[franklin2323]

Hook said it wasn't uncommon not talk to Gus for months to 6 weeks at a time.

He refused to work with his boss and other coaching staff. With several of them leaving. The club seems to have done everything they could along theway to hrlp Griffin and he refused that help.

We let a lot of talented players leave backing the coach. 12 months ago we could have backed a different horse and avoided this whole mess. Or at the very least not extended Hook. Back him the rest of his contract and make him earn his extension.

There is more to the Phillips thing. Given he off with Origin that part is strange to me.

Again though. Griffin thought he was doing what was best. You give him a target... Say top 4. He either gets it or gets fired. How he gets there doesn't matter just that we get there.

It is clear from the interview. He had different objectives to Gus as far as where we should be was. Nothing wrong with that just comes to my above point

 

[franklin2323]

No mention of him not being allowed to pick his team though, where did that rumour come from??

Seems to be a lot of rumours that only you hear that get proven wrong.

Nor of Gus/Ciraldo doing our attack either. Yet many have heard this as being true.. Some things we will never know the answers too.