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Anyone still want to sack Flanno?

carinashark

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He should be made Australian Coach, or even SSO coach. Perfect fit in my opinion. He really is wasted here at the Sharks . I mean nine wins in a row , how good is he!
 

MilkShark

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For sure every team has great players.

But this year and maybe next we have best opportunity in many years to bag a premiership.

We have Holmes and Bird on contracts that are cheap considering what they would fetch on the open market nowadays. If we were paying Holmes and Bird what they are worth, we wouldn't be fitting all of the below in our team under the cap:

Bird
Holmes
Maloney
Barba
Fifita

And to add to those guys we have Lewis, Gallen, Ennis and Graham. 3 out of the 4 are on their last legs, and on good money too.

I'm one of Flanos biggest critics, but he has really surprised me this year. Lets just remember the super talent we have in the club at the moment. It's kind of like Mal Meninga being the most successful origin coach ever, anyone could coach that team and have success.
 
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Be great to see Flanno stay i was a critic, but overall he has done outstanding job.

He has a knack of getting a player unwanted elsewhere and getting best out of them and also extending a veterans career.

2 examples Prior unwanted and now one of the key forwards.
Heigno he is still going strong key off bench great metres and end of this season still has value in england, how many other clubs would he be playing this well at
 

carinashark

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Heigno is a very interesting example of Flannos skill set. I still think we can do better long term with John Morris, but really what Flanno has done this year so far makes him deserve another season. Give him time to look for another gig.
 

carcharias

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For sure every team has great players.

But this year and maybe next we have best opportunity in many years to bag a premiership.

We have Holmes and Bird on contracts that are cheap considering what they would fetch on the open market nowadays. If we were paying Holmes and Bird what they are worth, we wouldn't be fitting all of the below in our team under the cap:

Bird
Holmes
Maloney
Barba
Fifita

And to add to those guys we have Lewis, Gallen, Ennis and Graham. 3 out of the 4 are on their last legs, and on good money too.

I'm one of Flanos biggest critics, but he has really surprised me this year. Lets just remember the super talent we have in the club at the moment. It's kind of like Mal Meninga being the most successful origin coach ever, anyone could coach that team and have success.


is that you 73?

c'mon it is isn't it?...
 

Surely

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For sure every team has great players.

But this year and maybe next we have best opportunity in many years to bag a premiership.

We have Holmes and Bird on contracts that are cheap considering what they would fetch on the open market nowadays. If we were paying Holmes and Bird what they are worth, we wouldn't be fitting all of the below in our team under the cap:

Bird
Holmes
Maloney
Barba
Fifita

And to add to those guys we have Lewis, Gallen, Ennis and Graham. 3 out of the 4 are on their last legs, and on good money too.

I'm one of Flanos biggest critics, but he has really surprised me this year. Lets just remember the super talent we have in the club at the moment. It's kind of like Mal Meninga being the most successful origin coach ever, anyone could coach that team and have success.



So why isn't robbo doing to well with the roosters
 

MilkShark

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I'm not bagging Flano, he has done an amazing job.

Think Wayne Bennett, the ''super coach''. Has only ever succeeded with the best teams. Wayne Bennett at the Knights, did nothing. Back at the Broncos, Super Coach.

My point, we are having success with this team, and so we should be. I said all along if we are not top 4 with this team than we have under succeeded.
 

carcharias

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I'm not bagging Flano, he has done an amazing job.

Think Wayne Bennett, the ''super coach''. Has only ever succeeded with the best teams. Wayne Bennett at the Knights, did nothing. Back at the Broncos, Super Coach.

My point, we are having success with this team, and so we should be. I said all along if we are not top 4 with this team than we have under succeeded.

"under succeeded"

Mark Geyer ...is that you?
 

coolumsharkie

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TABLE-topping Sharks coach Shane Flanagan is the toast of the rugby league town, and one of his most strident critics has joined the masses in raising a glass.

Former Queensland Origin mainstay and FoxSports NRL 360 host Ben Ikin is the first to admit he was particularly vocal in his criticism of Flanagan in the wake of the 2011 ASADA supplements scandal.

Flanagan was stood down from coaching for the 2014 season — when the club sunk to the bottom of the ladder amid an endless sea of controversy — with the 50-year-old at one point considering walking away from the role.

But within 18 months of returning Flanagan has revamped Cronulla’s roster and turned them into genuine premiership threats, prompting the club to kick off contract extension talks with their coach beyond 2017.

It’s a reward Flanagan thoroughly deserves according to Ikin.

“Like many of us I had a bit of a go-slow on him after the whole 2011 supplements scandal,” Ikin said on the Fox Sports NRL Market Watch podcast.

“But he’s served his time, he’s come back, he’s done everything that was asked of him and it appears to me that he was welcomed back with open arms by club officials and the players in particular.

“To me his greatest strength is that he’s a player’s coach in that they actually want to play for him.”

'There's not a better option''There's not a better option'0:38
Gold Coast forward Luke Douglas joins Ben Ikin, Nathan Ryan and Ben Glover on the Market Watch podcast to discuss the Titans’ new recruits and secret to the club’s revival.



Skipper and long-time right hand man Paul Gallen recently gave a similar endorsement of Flanagan’s standing with both himself and the wider squad.

Gallen told foxsports.com.au last month that being coached by Flanagan was a major factor in his decision to reject a lucrative deal to join Manly in 2011.

Flanagan’s greatest selling point in recent years has been the leaps and bounds made by individuals under his watch.

From developing youngsters Jack Bird and Valentine Holmes, to veteran recruits Michael Ennis and Luke Lewis, the majority of Cronulla’s squad are playing at or near career-best form.

Then of course there’s Ben Barba. After a disastrous shift to Brisbane and an underwhelming first season in The Shire, the 26-year-old is starting to replicate the performances that won him the 2012 Dally M Medal and standing as the game’s most dangerous player.

“The great coaches have players come to their club and become better than what they were. That’s the case for Shane Flanagan,” Ikin says.

“I don’t think there’s a player — and you can go right through to Michael Ennis — that hasn’t become better than what they were under his coaching.”

Both Jack Bird (left) and Ben Barba are flourishing under Flanagan’s coaching.Both Jack Bird (left) and Ben Barba are flourishing under Flanagan’s coaching.Source: AAP
When Flanagan first took the clipboard after Ricky Stuart was sacked late in 2010, Cronulla’s cupboard was all but bare.

“There were games there where we’d need everyone in our team to play their best game and everyone in their team to play their worst because we just didn’t have a strong roster,” Gallen says of the years spent swimming at the shallow end of the NRL pool.

Now the Sharks are in a genuinely enviable position according to Ikin, flush for talent both young and old.

With Bird, Holmes and captain-in-waiting Wade Graham all looming as long-term prospects at the club, Cronulla will make calls on whether to retain off-contract veterans Ennis, Gallen, Lewis in coming months or continue the regeneration process.

“The pleasing thing for Shane Flanagan is (Cronulla) have probably got a list where it’s surplus to needs. He’s got choice,” Ikin says.

“He’s got young players coming through, he’s got older statesmen of the game still playing good football all wanting to remain at the club.

“Now when they want to be there that’s when you get some bargaining power. If they want to be there, if they’re absolutely resolute about staying at an organisation then you get to come in at a lower rate.

“…You’re sometimes looking at a 10-20 per cent discount just because they want to stay at the club and play under that coach.”
 

BrisbaneShark

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I am of the view that if Maloney and to a lesser extent Townsend were not here then the team would be playing like they did last year. Jimmy is a class act and has the personality to influence a team big time. I reckon its him (adding to Ennis's) call to bar gal from more than one hit up each set and told him to get out of the way in attacking situations.

All up, I don't think Flanno has had much to do with it except recruiting Jimmy. I wouldn't sack him at all, but I don't rate coaches too highly as a success factor.
 
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bluefox1968

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I am of the view that if Maloney and to a lesser extent Townsend were not here then the team would be playing like they did last year. Jimmy is a class act and has the personality to influence a team big time. I reckon its him (adding to Ennis's) call to bar gal from more than one hit up each set and told him to get out of the way in attacking situations.

All up, I don't think Flanno has had much to do with it except recruiting Jimmy. I wouldn't sack him at all, but I don't rate coaches too highly as a success factor.

Welcome to the madhouse, BrisbaneShark. I lived in Brisbane for 19 years as a Sharks and NSW fan! Now in Vanuatu!

The players seem to love Flanno, so I'm ok with him continuing! Just win the comp now!
 

Eion

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You need to get the right coach, because the wrong one can absolutely root a team, even if they have gun players. But yeah, agree, a coach doesn't turn nuffies into champions.

Flannos a great example. This team is playing completely different to 2 years ago under the same coach and it ain't because flanno did a course and had an epiphany. Its because we got a great 5/8, our best front rower got his head right, timing for the Chad was right, we struck gold with 2 young uns in bird and Val and barba isn't busted anymore. If a couple of those factors don't fall into place it's just another mediocre season and flanno cops it.

But to his credit he can hold a squad together with man management, get them playing to their strengths and keeps pride in the jumper. Can't do much more except win the f**king thing. Go flan.
 

Madsharkie

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Its a bit unfair to hold flanno accountable for the bad years and not give credit for the good times, dont you think?

Absolutely. I haven't been the biggest Flanno fan, but hard to argue with the style of play and success so far this year. Flanno is playing his part in the current successes, as are the players, management and support staff. Happy days!
 

carcharias

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Good
Apart from the one rookie error
He has been a great coach
Got awesome results out of complete numbskis
..and signed blokes we could only dream of .
 

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