Board Elections

[Bob]

are you kidding oneill a successful business man he owns a frozen food company not on his own i might add that has gone well and by no means is it a multi million dollar company employing hundreds of staff this guy is a local park footballer done good with absolutely nil higher education and business training and would know as much as a your local plumber,bricklayer with a successful business please people you need people with appropriate business backround with a number of degrees and experience in a large corporation with contacts and vision who may already be on a couple of other boards with a good reputation as a go get em type of person who dosent pull punches and gets the job done...ps there are a lot of people in the city of penrith who are more successful than the dave oneills of the world that refuse to put there money into football sponsorship to get recognition....

No I'm not kidding, in your words "he owns a frozen food company not on his own i might add that has gone well" Going well in our current economic climate is no easy feat, I don't really care if he has NO DEGREE's I want someone on the board with the same passion for the Panthers that MOST people on here have, someone with a different perspective.

 

[stretcher]

No I'm not kidding, in your words "he owns a frozen food company not on his own i might add that has gone well" Going well in our current economic climate is no easy feat, I don't really care if he has NO DEGREE's I want someone on the board with the same passion for the Panthers that MOST people on here have, someone with a different perspective.

im not knocking the bloke he has done good but he bought that company and built it up he didnt have the vision to create it and also he is 38years old with not a lot of life skills yet and yes he has passion but as does everyone on this forum but im a bloke who is fairdinkum and admit i dont have a clue about how a board runs and wouldnt pretend to think i could do a better job my whole point is other clubs have high profile and smart educated people in place lets not pretend that if a guy like dave was on the board with such a busy company and a life with a young family would even have time to be on a board let alone spread the same comittment between the two one would suffer.Thats why comittment to the board to make change could be ones only focus........

 

[murraymob]

parra have had many smart and educated people on there board from lawyers to doctors and have not won for 26 years.In todays climate boards need a variety of people from all walks of life .Because all clubs are after that same customer. We needed new faces with new ideas but sadly we missed out

 

[LeagueLegend]

Anybody who satisfies themseleves beyond a reasonable doubt that anything said on LU is true, and then acts on that belief, to their detriment or against their interests, is likely to be medically, insane.

Dave, you've got it wrong. Defamation would be tried as a civil case which doesn't rely on "beyond a reasonable doubt", it would be "on the balance of probability".

 

[Dave Q]

Dave, you've got it wrong. Defamation would be tried as a civil case which doesn't rely on "beyond a reasonable doubt", it would be "on the balance of probability".

You are right.

But I wasnt actually going back to law, I was making a general statement about the forum environment. I was just borrowing some legalese.

I apologise if anybody jumped to the same conclusion as you did LL.

The standard of proof in the civil jursidiction in NSW is what you say it is.

In theory, thats easier to prove.

I still cant see where our guy gets his defamation.

 

[LeagueLegend]

In theory, thats easier to prove.

In theory, but not always. A restaunteur tried recently in case where he claimed he was defamed by a food critic from the Telegraph I believe. It all went horribly wrong for him and now aprt from the bad review has ended up with thousands of dollars in legal fees because the court found he wasn't defamed.

 

[franklin2323]

parra have had many smart and educated people on there board from lawyers to doctors and have not won for 26 years.In todays climate boards need a variety of people from all walks of life .Because all clubs are after that same customer. We needed new faces with new ideas but sadly we missed out

The elections were set up for the current board to be retained here's why:

1.My mate is a DM of Panthers and was didn't know he could vote on the $8.80 membership if a DM doesn't know that what other staff members would.

2.It wasn't clearly defined who can vote and who can't. A guy from work went to vote not knowing that despite being a Football club member he can't vote. stupid rule a strong Leagues club should give us a strong football club

3. I actually play oztag with Don's son (which I didn't know til after the elections). On monday he said the current board would be retained. How would they know 24 hours later that they would get voted in. something's not right

 

[stretcher]

parra have had many smart and educated people on there board from lawyers to doctors and have not won for 26 years.In todays climate boards need a variety of people from all walks of life .Because all clubs are after that same customer. We needed new faces with new ideas but sadly we missed out

So in essence what you are saying is that your local forklift driver or woolies trolley boy that have been doing this job for 30years respectively would get your vote to go on a board because they are a local joe that knows how a major corporation is run.Please you know that any organisation wether it be panthers to your local butcher shop owner wouldnt allow any tom dick or harry get there hands on it without experience and a good understanding of how its run.Getting people on the board to voice an opinion of the people isnt all its about........

 

[murraymob]

So in essence what you are saying is that your local forklift driver or woolies trolley boy that have been doing this job for 30years respectively would get your vote to go on a board because they are a local joe that knows how a major corporation is run.Please you know that any organisation wether it be panthers to your local butcher shop owner wouldnt allow any tom dick or harry get there hands on it without experience and a good understanding of how its run.Getting people on the board to voice an opinion of the people isnt all its about........

Do you know the careers of the current board before they where elected .Just because you have never run a club does not mean you do not have the ability to make decissions that will take the club forward.The club employes many experts who run these departments.If we run using your theory we would elect one board and never change as they are the ones with experience

 

[Dave Q]

In theory, but not always. A restaunteur tried recently in case where he claimed he was defamed by a food critic from the Telegraph I believe. It all went horribly wrong for him and now aprt from the bad review has ended up with thousands of dollars in legal fees because the court found he wasn't defamed.

Yes, but maybe you have looped this one around a touch.

If the restaurant guy had to prove the defamation "beyond a reasonable doubt" that would have made his task a lot tougher. As it was, he got nowhere on the easier civil standard.

 

[Flapper]

How much is it for a membership where I vote for the Board? Any amount of money to get Feltis out is worth it I think.

 

[murraymob]

How much is it for a membership where I vote for the Board? Any amount of money to get Feltis out is worth it I think.

you need to be a member of the leagues club cost $8.80 i think.Only members of the leagues club can vote on everthing

 

[stretcher]

Do you know the careers of the current board before they where elected .Just because you have never run a club does not mean you do not have the ability to make decissions that will take the club forward.The club employes many experts who run these departments.If we run using your theory we would elect one board and never change as they are the ones with experience

i understand where you are going with this and applaud your passion for change but you cant make changes with people that have no knowledge of whats needed because if you make wholesale changes and it dosent work what do you say then oh well bad call meanwhile you have lost 15million dollars on an unprovan policy that mister average joe has theres to much at stake.And in regards to members of the current board career wise not sure but when they had successful times there were c.e.os of big corporations ,district judges,highly qualified academics,finance power brokers all working for the clubs benefit not themselves so my point is the current boofheads arent working bring back the old ones or people with similar backrounds.ps im not a lover of that arrogant roger cowan but he got the club to where it is and was always in the black.....

 

[darkbloom]

Roger is probably the most humble person you could meet.

 

[LeagueLegend]

3. I actually play oztag with Don's son (which I didn't know til after the elections). On monday he said the current board would be retained. How would they know 24 hours later that they would get voted in. something's not right

This time line is quite odd. Which Monday are you referring to? Monday of this week? The result was already announced Monday just passed so he would have been right in saying the Board were retained.

If it was the previous Monday then I don't see too much of an issue either.

Blind Freddy would have seen the candidates standing against the Board did nothing to challenge them by running any sort of a campaign. People often talk about other clubs and how their Boards have been re-invigorated by other standing but in all of those cases they have been backed by a concerted effort to initate change. Just standing doesn't say that, it has to be an effort to challenge the waty of thinking by going about it with all the bells and whistles.

 

[Nigel Highley]

Firstly I would like to thank anyone who through this forum voted for Steve Mackenzie or myself and would like to congratulate them on actively participating in the election process.

Having read through this topic just a couple of points that I will clarify.

1. Staff of the licensed club are not permitted to vote in the election process or any other voting process associated with the governing of the club. I do believe that staff members of the football club are permitted to vote. In 19 years of employment at Panthers I believe I was allowed to vote on about three occassions in the electoral process.

2. I have read statements that either the two leading candidates or candidates in general were not up to scratch. That is a matter of opinion, it is my opinion that members of any club be it social or sporting should be encouraged to participate at this level of their clubs. As in the case of Panthers it is not as though there is a plethora of businessperson putting their hand up to do such things nor can it be said that all of the current serving directors have solid business acumen.

3. Campaigning can be a very costly process and is limited by the clubs constitution and the OLGR. Voting cards are legal but cannot be distributed within the clubs buildings or on their grounds, so if the clubs staff has received such material, how has it been distributed?

4. Information in regards to the election was limited to signs in the clubs foyer, a few statements on their official website and little pieces on the bottom of advertising in the local media. Members received no information in regards to the candidates or the election via post or email at all. It is my belief that this process needs to be addressed if the board/management want the democratic election process to continue.

One of the many obstacles that we faced as candidates was the new appearance of the clubs premises, very few members would be aware that the club is about to post a $10 - $13 million dollar loss for the 2008/09 financial year. As a long time supporter of this club I hope the board/management are able to address these trading issues without reverting to the selling off of assets.

I will now continue to support our rugby league team and will hopefully be able to suggest some valid recommendations at AGM's in the years to come.

Rgds,
Nigel Highley

 

[Dave Q]

Firstly I would like to thank anyone who through this forum voted for Steve Mackenzie or myself and would like to congratulate them on actively participating in the election process.

Having read through this topic just a couple of points that I will clarify.

1. Staff of the licensed club are not permitted to vote in the election process or any other voting process associated with the governing of the club. I do believe that staff members of the football club are permitted to vote. In 19 years of employment at Panthers I believe I was allowed to vote on about three occassions in the electoral process.

2. I have read statements that either the two leading candidates or candidates in general were not up to scratch. That is a matter of opinion, it is my opinion that members of any club be it social or sporting should be encouraged to participate at this level of their clubs. As in the case of Panthers it is not as though there is a plethora of businessperson putting their hand up to do such things nor can it be said that all of the current serving directors have solid business acumen.

3. Campaigning can be a very costly process and is limited by the clubs constitution and the OLGR. Voting cards are legal but cannot be distributed within the clubs buildings or on their grounds, so if the clubs staff has received such material, how has it been distributed?

4. Information in regards to the election was limited to signs in the clubs foyer, a few statements on their official website and little pieces on the bottom of advertising in the local media. Members received no information in regards to the candidates or the election via post or email at all. It is my belief that this process needs to be addressed if the board/management want the democratic election process to continue.

One of the many obstacles that we faced as candidates was the new appearance of the clubs premises, very few members would be aware that the club is about to post a $10 - $13 million dollar loss for the 2008/09 financial year. As a long time supporter of this club I hope the board/management are able to address these trading issues without reverting to the selling off of assets.

I will now continue to support our rugby league team and will hopefully be able to suggest some valid recommendations at AGM's in the years to come.

Rgds,
Nigel Highley

A very graceful, informative and constructive contribution.

How could anyone not vote this guy in?!

 

[Panther_Daz]

How could anyone not vote this guy in?!

I have been thinking the same thing since last Saturday around 7pm when i heard the results...

 

[*Sandy*]

Firstly I would like to thank anyone who through this forum voted for Steve Mackenzie or myself and would like to congratulate them on actively participating in the election process.

Having read through this topic just a couple of points that I will clarify.

1. Staff of the licensed club are not permitted to vote in the election process or any other voting process associated with the governing of the club. I do believe that staff members of the football club are permitted to vote. In 19 years of employment at Panthers I believe I was allowed to vote on about three occassions in the electoral process.

2. I have read statements that either the two leading candidates or candidates in general were not up to scratch. That is a matter of opinion, it is my opinion that members of any club be it social or sporting should be encouraged to participate at this level of their clubs. As in the case of Panthers it is not as though there is a plethora of businessperson putting their hand up to do such things nor can it be said that all of the current serving directors have solid business acumen.

3. Campaigning can be a very costly process and is limited by the clubs constitution and the OLGR. Voting cards are legal but cannot be distributed within the clubs buildings or on their grounds, so if the clubs staff has received such material, how has it been distributed?

4. Information in regards to the election was limited to signs in the clubs foyer, a few statements on their official website and little pieces on the bottom of advertising in the local media. Members received no information in regards to the candidates or the election via post or email at all. It is my belief that this process needs to be addressed if the board/management want the democratic election process to continue.

One of the many obstacles that we faced as candidates was the new appearance of the clubs premises, very few members would be aware that the club is about to post a $10 - $13 million dollar loss for the 2008/09 financial year. As a long time supporter of this club I hope the board/management are able to address these trading issues without reverting to the selling off of assets.

I will now continue to support our rugby league team and will hopefully be able to suggest some valid recommendations at AGM's in the years to come.

Rgds,
Nigel Highley

In regards to your point 1 here, there was a statement made by darkbloom earlier on that the board of 2002 had changed the constitution to enable the staff of the licensced club could vote, I'm guessing you must have been one of the employees back then?

It was also mentioned that the constitution had not changed. So would that not have enabled the employees to be able to vote still?

Not that it really matters, but might make it clearer for some who might be as confused as I am on the matter.

I hope Nigel that next time you put yourself up for nomination that you can use the knowledge of the campaign election process to your advantage, get some sponsorship or something and get creative in letting those members know what they appear to not know about the licensced club and the football club. From sitting back and watching Parramatta, you obviously need to make a lot of noise and start making it very early on. And of course all within your legal rights.

Good luck in the future!

 

[franklin2323]

This time line is quite odd. Which Monday are you referring to? Monday of this week? The result was already announced Monday just passed so he would have been right in saying the Board were retained.

If it was the previous Monday then I don't see too much of an issue either.

Blind Freddy would have seen the candidates standing against the Board did nothing to challenge them by running any sort of a campaign. People often talk about other clubs and how their Boards have been re-invigorated by other standing but in all of those cases they have been backed by a concerted effort to initate change. Just standing doesn't say that, it has to be an effort to challenge the waty of thinking by going about it with all the bells and whistles.

No the Mon during the elections. 5 days left and they were certain they would stay odd really