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The Great Dane

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They want to get funding to build a new stadium but the majority would need to come from feds and state, no way the local council has $220mill for a stadium!

"The $236 million North Ipswich stadium has not been given final approval, and $2.5 million for a detailed business case is still being sought from the Queensland and federal governments. A business case evaluating both options is now being prepared to add to a formal submission for financial assistance.'
My point was that if the Jets get the license it's only a matter of time before they move to a stadium in Ipswich full time.
 

Perth Red

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My point was that if the Jets get the license it's only a matter of time before they move to a stadium in Ipswich full time.
and that may not be a bad thing 20 years down the line when that region is big enough to host a club. It then opens up Brisbane for a third club to come in if the market has grown by 2040. Having said that its hard to see them getting funding for a new stadium when all the money for sports is going to be focused on the Olympics for the next decade and a new stadium out there isnt on the Olympic radar.
 

Pippen94

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That post doesn't refer to the Queanbeyan Blues, but why would I stop bringing up one of the most relevant examples even if it did? It'd be stupid to willing ignore examples of what other teams in similar situations have done in the past.

Then again stupid, gut feeling, emotional decisions are RL's modus operandi.

United started out as a company club called Newton Heath LYR FC. LYR stands for Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway whose employees in one of the departments based in Newton Heath started the team to play against other LYR departments and rail way companies football teams.

City started out as a parish club called St Mark's West Gorton, that was set up by members of St Mark's to try and get local men off the streets and proselytize to them. Initially they played mainly against other parishes' teams as well.

In other words neither of them started as suburban clubs.

Emulating Fremantle and the Wanderers would be picking a large market within the city and giving them a well backed team with a neutral brand. Ipswich or a glorified Morton Bay team with heritage brands don't fit that bill, South Brisbane on the other hand has potential as a market.

Morton Bay's population is much bigger than either Ipswich & Logan & is growing faster. Actually bigger than Canberra tight now. Throw in sunshine coast which will never get a team, but there I go knowing stuff about the area...

How does anything you mention about man u & city help your argument?! Both started as tiny teams representing small group of ppl now global giants, but dolphins can't do that huh?!
 

Perth Red

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I think any of the three bids has every chance of being successful if done right. If done wrong any of them could fail badly. Its now up to the commission to decide which one has the best hope of getting it right.
Oh and of course Ch9 to pay up in the next TV deal or else this is all just another massive waste of time!
 

The Great Dane

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and that may not be a bad thing 20 years down the line when that region is big enough to host a club. It then opens up Brisbane for a third club to come in if the market has grown by 2040. Having said that its hard to see them getting funding for a new stadium when all the money for sports is going to be focused on the Olympics for the next decade and a new stadium out there isnt on the Olympic radar.
It won't take 20 years to build it if the Jets get a license.
 

The Great Dane

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Morton Bay's population is much bigger than either Ipswich & Logan & is growing faster. Actually bigger than Canberra tight now. Throw in sunshine coast which will never get a team, but there I go knowing stuff about the area...
You know what market's pop is even bigger than all of those put together; Brisbane.

If you want a small team playing in front of sub-20k crowds then go with a suburban or regional club like Morton Bay or Canberra. If you want one with the potential to be much, much, bigger then you go with a metro club that can appeal to a larger audience.

It's really not rocket science, but here we are.
How does anything you mention about man u & city help your argument?! Both started as tiny teams representing small group of ppl now global giants, but dolphins can't do that huh?!
Well it does two things-

Firstly it shows that this myth that gets thrown around in Australia that all, or most, successful clubs around the world started out as suburban clubs that just grew big, is just that, a myth.
In fact suburban clubs as we'd recognise them are actually quite rare outside of Australia, which isn't really surprising when you take into consideration the differences in geography and population density in places like Europe and the USA when compared to Australia, especially in the 1800s and early 1900s when most of the big clubs around the world were being formed.

Secondly, it shows that these giant clubs didn't really start to grow into the giants they are today until they embraced catering to a bigger audience. Take Man Utd for example, they don't grow into the juggernaut they are today if new investors don't come in and save Newton Heath from liquidation in the early 1900s by turning them into Man Utd.
 
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If the Jets don't get the licence then rebuild North Ipswich Reserve so it's like Dolphin Oval. We need the Queensland Cup Clubs to have decent stadia to attract fans. It's a strong competition and can become a money earner if marketed correctly.
 

The Great Dane

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And where’s the money coming from given all spare money is going to be going to the olympics?
If anything the Olympics probably make it more likely to get an upgrade. After all they need somewhere to play all those soccer games. Besides Ipswich is a Labour seat isn't it? The Liberals might think that a shiny new stadium to house the new footy team could help change that at the next election.

If they get a license all the stakeholders will push hard for a stadium in Ipswich to follow as quickly as possible, if they don't the team will really struggle after being forced to play effectively an hour away from their target audience for an extended period of time.
 

Pippen94

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If anything the Olympics probably make it more likely to get an upgrade. After all they need somewhere to play all those soccer games. Besides Ipswich is a Labour seat isn't it? The Liberals might think that a shiny new stadium to house the new footy team could help change that at the next election.

If they get a license all the stakeholders will push hard for a stadium in Ipswich to follow as quickly as possible, if they don't the team will really struggle after being forced to play effectively an hour away from their target audience for an extended period of time.

Read the news. Stadiums already decided for soccer & Ipswich isn't one
 

Perth Red

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If anything the Olympics probably make it more likely to get an upgrade. After all they need somewhere to play all those soccer games. Besides Ipswich is a Labour seat isn't it? The Liberals might think that a shiny new stadium to house the new footy team could help change that at the next election.

If they get a license all the stakeholders will push hard for a stadium in Ipswich to follow as quickly as possible, if they don't the team will really struggle after being forced to play effectively an hour away from their target audience for an extended period of time.
where not talking upgrade, were talking $220mill new stadium. Its not in the current olympic stadium plan but sure it might change but highly unlikely.
 

Perth Red

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Head honchos from the National Rugby League spent six hours on Monday meeting with the three expansion bids as they inch toward a decision on the game’s 17th franchise.

There is no guarantee we will see a new club any time soon but it was a chance to refresh and see exactly what each potential suitor had.

Peter V’landys and his colleagues would agree the Brisbane Jets (Western Corridor), Redcliffe and the Brisbane Firehawks all have their strong points.

The priority for the NRL, in these harsh pandemic times, is to find ways to bring in more money as easily as they can. You could argue that the easiest way for them to do that is to bring in another organisation in a rugby league heartland which would also act as another defensive weapon against rival codes.

To a lesser extent, but more publicly spruiked by the game’s administrators, is that it is more about ‘growing the game’, ‘participation’ and the ‘next generation’ of supporters.

If it was simply about the next generation, the Brisbane Jets would bein the box seat.
The Western Corridor is as important to the Queensland sporting landscape as western Sydney in NSW.

The Jets’ catchment area includes Ipswich, Toowoomba and Logan – some of the fastest-growing areas in Australia.

“The key advantage for us is that numbers just don’t lie,” Western Corridor chief Steve Johnson told SEN in February.

“The demographics indicate that by 2026, there will be 73,000 rugby league players in Queensland and we’ll have just under 20,000 – nearly 30 per cent of those – in the Western Corridor.

“If you can’t build a successful rugby league club with 30 per cent of all Queensland players, then you are doing a very bad job.

“You can’t be overly confident but if the NRL are focused on participation as Peter V’landys said, then we’re undeniable.”
The Jets don’t have the cash of the other two bids but, for once, rugby league needs to take the hand out of the cookie jar and play the long game.
Forget the cash grab.

Earlier this year, construction on a $70 million training and game facility for the Brisbane Lions began in Ipswich, which will also house the club’s AFLW team.

The Ipswich council chipped in $20 million, with completion scheduled for September 2022.

AFL has already got its head in front in what is meant to be a rugby league stronghold.

The other player in all of this is COVID itself.

Grassroots sport has been smashed again in 2021. Some junior clubs in NSW and Queensland won’t make it back to the field at all next year.

The perfect storm of decades-long administrative mismanagement going all the way up the chain and coronavirus has crippled the sport. The long-term effects will be felt for years to come. We just don’t see it because the NRL is so top-heavy that the struggles in the bush and in metropolitan regions don’t carry the weight they once did.

A contact from a powerful junior club in Sydney’s southwest told me recently just how perilous things are getting in the heartlands.
Unfortunately, our great game is being administered horribly at all levels and grassroots community footy is suffering badly,” he said.

“Mate, our population in the southwest has tripled over the last 20 years and the participation numbers are horrible. School football was huge in the area at both primary and high schools.

“Not anymore, unfortunately.

“Rugby league development officers and players used to flood the schools; this hardly happens anymore.”
It is time for the NRL to learn something from the mistakes they continue to make.

If the next club in Queensland really is about future generations and growing and harnessing participation, one bid makes more sense the others.

There’s an old saying about the old bull and the young bull standing atop a hill.
Forget the bigger wad of cash. Take a little less.

It will be worth so much more later.
 
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Head honchos from the National Rugby League spent six hours on Monday meeting with the three expansion bids as they inch toward a decision on the game’s 17th franchise.

There is no guarantee we will see a new club any time soon but it was a chance to refresh and see exactly what each potential suitor had.

Peter V’landys and his colleagues would agree the Brisbane Jets (Western Corridor), Redcliffe and the Brisbane Firehawks all have their strong points.

The priority for the NRL, in these harsh pandemic times, is to find ways to bring in more money as easily as they can. You could argue that the easiest way for them to do that is to bring in another organisation in a rugby league heartland which would also act as another defensive weapon against rival codes.

To a lesser extent, but more publicly spruiked by the game’s administrators, is that it is more about ‘growing the game’, ‘participation’ and the ‘next generation’ of supporters.

If it was simply about the next generation, the Brisbane Jets would bein the box seat.
The Western Corridor is as important to the Queensland sporting landscape as western Sydney in NSW.

The Jets’ catchment area includes Ipswich, Toowoomba and Logan – some of the fastest-growing areas in Australia.

“The key advantage for us is that numbers just don’t lie,” Western Corridor chief Steve Johnson told SEN in February.

“The demographics indicate that by 2026, there will be 73,000 rugby league players in Queensland and we’ll have just under 20,000 – nearly 30 per cent of those – in the Western Corridor.

“If you can’t build a successful rugby league club with 30 per cent of all Queensland players, then you are doing a very bad job.

“You can’t be overly confident but if the NRL are focused on participation as Peter V’landys said, then we’re undeniable.”
The Jets don’t have the cash of the other two bids but, for once, rugby league needs to take the hand out of the cookie jar and play the long game.
Forget the cash grab.

Earlier this year, construction on a $70 million training and game facility for the Brisbane Lions began in Ipswich, which will also house the club’s AFLW team.

The Ipswich council chipped in $20 million, with completion scheduled for September 2022.

AFL has already got its head in front in what is meant to be a rugby league stronghold.

The other player in all of this is COVID itself.

Grassroots sport has been smashed again in 2021. Some junior clubs in NSW and Queensland won’t make it back to the field at all next year.

The perfect storm of decades-long administrative mismanagement going all the way up the chain and coronavirus has crippled the sport. The long-term effects will be felt for years to come. We just don’t see it because the NRL is so top-heavy that the struggles in the bush and in metropolitan regions don’t carry the weight they once did.

A contact from a powerful junior club in Sydney’s southwest told me recently just how perilous things are getting in the heartlands.
Unfortunately, our great game is being administered horribly at all levels and grassroots community footy is suffering badly,” he said.

“Mate, our population in the southwest has tripled over the last 20 years and the participation numbers are horrible. School football was huge in the area at both primary and high schools.

“Not anymore, unfortunately.

“Rugby league development officers and players used to flood the schools; this hardly happens anymore.”
It is time for the NRL to learn something from the mistakes they continue to make.

If the next club in Queensland really is about future generations and growing and harnessing participation, one bid makes more sense the others.

There’s an old saying about the old bull and the young bull standing atop a hill.
Forget the bigger wad of cash. Take a little less.

It will be worth so much more later.
I'm from Logan and do not identify with Ipswich or Toowoomba. Most of Logan is located east of Brisbane's CBD, so why is it listed as part of the "Western corridor"?

The eastern suburbs of Logan share more in common with Redlands, south-eastern Brisbane and rural Gold Coast than Ipswich or Toowoomba. Easts Tigers have a strong and long history with the eastern suburbs of Logan.

The best solution would be to bring in the Firehawks to cover Brisbane's eastern suburbs, Redlands and Logan. Give Ipswich Jets a share of the Broncos, change the club's colours from maroon and gold to green and gold, and focus on the western suburbs of Brisbane and Ipswich. Now you've got a bloody strong rivalry. Add the Moreton Bay Dolphins or North Brisbane Dolphins and Queensland has 5 clubs that can carry the game at the professional level.
 

MugaB

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I'm from Logan and do not identify with Ipswich or Toowoomba. Most of Logan is located east of Brisbane's CBD, so why is it listed as part of the "Western corridor"?

The eastern suburbs of Logan share more in common with Redlands, south-eastern Brisbane and rural Gold Coast than Ipswich or Toowoomba. Easts Tigers have a strong and long history with the eastern suburbs of Logan.

The best solution would be to bring in the Firehawks to cover Brisbane's eastern suburbs, Redlands and Logan. Give Ipswich Jets a share of the Broncos, change the club's colours from maroon and gold to green and gold, and focus on the western suburbs of Brisbane and Ipswich. Now you've got a bloody strong rivalry. Add the Moreton Bay Dolphins or North Brisbane Dolphins and Queensland has 5 clubs that can carry the game at the professional level.
As much as i like the idea of adding 2 SEQ clubs, changing the broncos in anyway to suit ipswich or give them anything is ridiculous, they already had them feeding them aswell as the clydesdales back since inception on an off, so keep it as is, and just add easts and dolphins as the 2 teams and be done with it...
What it can show is that if your run well, and have mula to use, your NRL ready, seems like the jets are a mish mash at the moment, and the other 2 have their ducks in a row
 
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As much as i like the idea of adding 2 SEQ clubs, changing the broncos in anyway to suit ipswich or give them anything is ridiculous, they already had them feeding them aswell as the clydesdales back since inception on an off, so keep it as is, and just add easts and dolphins as the 2 teams and be done with it...
What it can show is that if your run well, and have mula to use, your NRL ready, seems like the jets are a mish mash at the moment, and the other 2 have their ducks in a row
Broncos should bring back the Clydesdales and saddle up with Ipswich. They have a strong following in the Darling Downs.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I'm from Logan and do not identify with Ipswich or Toowoomba. Most of Logan is located east of Brisbane's CBD, so why is it listed as part of the "Western corridor"?

The eastern suburbs of Logan share more in common with Redlands, south-eastern Brisbane and rural Gold Coast than Ipswich or Toowoomba. Easts Tigers have a strong and long history with the eastern suburbs of Logan.

The best solution would be to bring in the Firehawks to cover Brisbane's eastern suburbs, Redlands and Logan. Give Ipswich Jets a share of the Broncos, change the club's colours from maroon and gold to green and gold, and focus on the western suburbs of Brisbane and Ipswich. Now you've got a bloody strong rivalry. Add the Moreton Bay Dolphins or North Brisbane Dolphins and Queensland has 5 clubs that can carry the game at the professional level.
The strength of the Firehawks and Dolphins bids really goes to show that in 1988 we should have created a national comp out of the best NSWRL clubs and the best BRL clubs instead of bringing in the Broncos and Giants.
 

Perth Red

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The strength of the Firehawks and Dolphins bids really goes to show that in 1988 we should have created a national comp out of the best NSWRL clubs and the best BRL clubs instead of bringing in the Broncos and Giants.
Their strength is built on their pokie dens. In 1988 they didnt have this revenue source. Lets be honest if they didn't have pokie dens now no one would be talking them up for NRL inclusion. The game is still very much in the old fashioned reliance on gambling mentality to cover shortfalls in operating as a successful sports business.
 

Jim Rockford

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(shakes fist) "Them thar darn pokies. How dare people be allowed to spend their money however they choose. They should only spend their money how I want them to"
 

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