Brisbane Jets

[titoelcolombiano]

Their strength is built on their pokie dens. In 1988 they didnt have this revenue source. Lets be honest if they didn't have pokie dens now no one would be talking them up for NRL inclusion. The game is still very much in the old fashioned reliance on gambling mentality to cover shortfalls in operating as a successful sports business.

Redcliffe have done well to build an asset base outside of just the leagues club.

 

[Perth Red]

Redcliffe have done well to build an asset base outside of just the leagues club.

But its built off the back of the profits from the pokie club in the first place. I doubt there's a lot of profit in a gym and supermarket, but could be wrong. Shame they dont publish an annual financial report.

 

[The Great Dane]

The strength of the Firehawks and Dolphins bids really goes to show that in 1988 we should have created a national comp out of the best NSWRL clubs and the best BRL clubs instead of bringing in the Broncos and Giants.

By the late 80s pretty much all the BRL teams were effectively insolvent (even worse off than almost all the NSWRL clubs), so if you had done that back then you wouldn't have been getting the financial powerhouses you are getting today, you would have been getting a bunch of clubs whom would have quickly sent themselves broke trying to compete with the NSWRL clubs.

Even if you could get past the hurdles above, there also would have been massive fights over how many teams from each comp would make it into the new league, and which teams those were, and I can't see Arko and Quayle even considering it unless NSWRL clubs completely dominated the comp.
Realistically the only changes the NSWRL might have accepted is something like the QRL owning an expansion license or two, and maybe instead of the Broncos and Giants joining alongside the Knights in 88 it would have been a couple clubs owned by the QRL/BRL, or something like that.

BTW, the idea of the QRL or BRL owning a NSWRL license for a Brisbane team in the Winfield Cup was thrown around during the 80s (whether or not it was just media talk IDK), and IIRC BRL representatives publicly knocked back the idea multiple times.

Basically, it might seem like a nice romantic idea in hindsight, but it would have been an absolute shit show at the time with little to no chance of it getting off the ground, which, frankly, is why it didn't happen.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The strength of the Firehawks and Dolphins bids really goes to show that in 1988 we should have created a national comp out of the best NSWRL clubs and the best BRL clubs instead of bringing in the Broncos and Giants.

The game would have been stronger if they had have taken the top 8 teams from Sydney and the top 4 teams from Brisbane to create a National First Division alongside teams from North Queensland, Newcastle, Illawarra, Auckland, Canberra and Gold Coast. A National Second Division featuring the other 3 teams from the BRL plus the Logan City Scorpions, the top other 10 clubs from the NSWRL plus Newtown and Perth, Melbourne and Adelaide.

 

[flippikat]

The game would have been stronger if they had have taken the top 8 teams from Sydney and the top 4 teams from Brisbane to create a National First Division alongside teams from North Queensland, Newcastle, Illawarra, Auckland, Canberra and Gold Coast. A National Second Division featuring the other 3 teams from the BRL plus the Logan City Scorpions, the top other 10 clubs from the NSWRL plus Newtown and Perth, Melbourne and Adelaide.

Yes, BUT with decent revenue-sharing systems in place.. so that teams from jurisdictions without pokies stood a fair chance of competing.

To be honest, that would have taken guts from the league to stand-up to NSW clubs on that matter.

 

[Perth Red]

Wasnt feasible in 80’s due to funding gap between the clubs and no way rl clubs would be unselfish and accept an afl style variable grant, then or now.
best chance for a major shake up was ‘97 at the end of the war. That’s when we needed someone with big kohunas and vision to hold fast and keep the dream of a national comp. alive. if crushers, gc, perth, Adelaide had been kept and hunter Mariners moved to Melbourne with some culling and mergers in nsw then we would have the Comp that would have set the game up for the next 50 years. Sigh.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yes, BUT with decent revenue-sharing systems in place.. so that teams from jurisdictions without pokies stood a fair chance of competing.

To be honest, that would have taken guts from the league to stand-up to NSW clubs on that matter.

NSWRL never intended on creating a truly national competition. They just wanted their clubs to gain a share of the Queensland market.

Wasnt feasible in 80’s due to funding gap between the clubs and no way rl clubs would be unselfish and accept an afl style variable grant, then or now.
best chance for a major shake up was ‘97 at the end of the war. That’s when we needed someone with big kohunas and vision to hold fast and keep the dream of a national comp. alive. if crushers, gc, perth, Adelaide had been kept and hunter Mariners moved to Melbourne with some culling and mergers in nsw then we would have the Comp that would have set the game up for the next 50 years. Sigh.

NSWRL have been a bigger blight on the game over the last 80 years than AwFuL or RU. They've plundered the CRL, QRL, NZRL and now the RFL. With "friends" like the NSWRL, we don't need enemies like AwFuL and ARU to hold us back.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

But its built off the back of the profits from the pokie club in the first place. I doubt there's a lot of profit in a gym and supermarket, but could be wrong. Shame they dont publish an annual financial report.

Yes you are right, the whole Dolphins asset base was built off the back of the leagues club money. It is refreshing to see a club trying to grow beyond that though. Don't forget that their stadium is also an asset that is being rented out to the Brisbane Roar soccer team and (albeit temporarily) the NRL.

 

[MugaB]

NSWRL never intended on creating a truly national competition. They just wanted their clubs to gain a share of the Queensland market.

NSWRL have been a bigger blight on the game over the last 80 years than AwFuL or RU. They've plundered the CRL, QRL, NZRL and now the RFL. With "friends" like the NSWRL, we don't need enemies like AwFuL and ARU to hold us back.

Blah blah blah, hate hate hate, shoulda woulda, i want no broncos, but i love rl, except for every nsw team....
If that isn't a general GROTD post, i dont know what is... fk your boring, i rather support manly than read your retarted roundhouse rhetoric, the same shit on every expansion thread, fml can we just make one thread you can just dribble on, instead of the spray on all of them.... what relevance has the 80s or nswrl choices got to do with the brisbane fking jets ffs

 

[Jim Rockford]

It's clear it's not just Perth Red who has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to anything to do with NSW.

 

[MugaB]

It's clear it's not just Perth Red who has a massive inferiority complex when it comes to anything to do with NSW.

At least PR doesnt spray nonsence on every thread, yes there is a whinge, but it has merit, some dreams, not the crap of cull, cull merge, fk this comp every thread, my BRL comp was poor, woesest me, pokies ruined my childhood, the NSWRL took my childhood heroes, nswrl, can go to hell, bring superleague back....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Blah blah blah, hate hate hate, shoulda woulda, i want no broncos, but i love rl, except for every nsw team....
If that isn't a general GROTD post, i dont know what is... fk your boring, i rather support manly than read your retarted roundhouse rhetoric, the same shit on every expansion thread, fml can we just make one thread you can just dribble on, instead of the spray on all of them.... what relevance has the 80s or nswrl choices got to do with the brisbane fking jets ffs

You're too thin-skinned and one-eyed to discuss RL expansion.

The Jets aren't getting a seat at the table because there's not enough room with 9 licences reserved for piss ant Sydney clubs in a 16 team competition with just one licence up for grabs, and two superior bids from Redcliffe and Easts.

Take off the sky blue blinkers and you'll see the game is suffering because of hicks from Sydney who have a colonialist mentality that makes Britain in the Victorian Age look meek. We all know how that ended up for the Brits.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

At least PR doesnt spray nonsence on every thread, yes there is a whinge, but it has merit, some dreams, not the crap of cull, cull merge, fk this comp every thread, my BRL comp was poor, woesest me, pokies ruined my childhood, the NSWRL took my childhood heroes, nswrl, can go to hell, bring superleague back....

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You want RL to be centred around the interests of RL fans from Sydney who think they're superior to everyone else and are entitled to have everything at everyone else's expense. That's the attitude of the average Sydney RL fan and it led to the Super League War. You're too stupid, insular and arrogant to see that you're creating another one, except this time you won't win. I fear that our game will continue to be run by petulant idiots from Sydney until it becomes a 2nd tier sport like RU, which has only ever cared about the Shute Shield, and along the way people like you will be cheering because "DUH NSW IZ DA BEST"!

 

[MugaB]

You're too thin-skinned and one-eyed to discuss RL expansion.

The Jets aren't getting a seat at the table because there's not enough room with 9 licences reserved for piss ant Sydney clubs in a 16 team competition with just one licence up for grabs, and two superior bids from Redcliffe and Easts.

Take off the sky blue blinkers and you'll see the game is suffering because of hicks from Sydney who have a colonialist mentality that makes Britain in the Victorian Age look meek. We all know how that ended up for the Brits.

The jets aren't getting a seat, coz there is only one, and their bid is running third, thats the reality chump... they have value, and this comp started as the Nswrl, switched names to get to the NRL, and are once again "INVITING" a SEQ bid to join, thats reality, your living in a hateful wasteland of entitlement, if you think that this competition owes you a logan team or the return of the BRL or less Sydney based clubs... it owes you nothing...
You're like a toddler whinging at maccas, that your not getting cookies in a happy meal

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The jets aren't getrung a seat, coz there is only one, and their bid is running third, thats the reality chump... they have value, and this comp started as the Nswrl, switched names to get to the NRL, and are once again "INVITING" a SEQ bid to join, thats reality, your living in a hateful wasteland of entitlement, if you think that this competition owes you a logan team or the return of the BRL or less Sydney based clubs... it owes you nothing...
You're like a toddler whinging at maccas, that your not getting cookies in a happy meal

This mentality is the reason why AwFuL has been kicking the NRL's arse in NSW and QLD since 1998. Thanks for proving my point about NSWRL being the demise of RL.

 

[MugaB]

This mentality is the reason why AwFuL has been kicking the NRL's arse in NSW and QLD since 1998. Thanks for proving my point about NSWRL being the demise of RL.

It is the NRL moron, you're advocating to shrink the comp into expansion only interstate team style comp, will only deter 5 million people in sydney, along with anyone who supports those teams living elsewhere.
You want an A-league set up, but it rates so poorly, why would the NRL want that, they have 16 brands, they could all be playing at suncorp, and its the same comp, you dont cull your brands, a lesson the league learnt in the late 90s, early 00s.
Lets relocate all 16 teams to singapore, that'll work

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It is the NRL moron, you're advocating to shrink the comp into expansion only interstate team style comp, will only deter 5 million people in sydney, along with anyone who supports those teams living elsewhere.
You want an A-league set up, but it rates so poorly, why would the NRL want that, they have 16 brands, they could all be playing at suncorp, and its the same comp, you dont cull your brands, a lesson the league learnt in the late 90s, early 00s.
Lets relocate all 16 teams to singapore, that'll work

FFS...

If it's the NRL then you need to have a presence in all major metropolitan areas, which you're against if your post is anything to go by.

Reserving 50% or more of the NRL's licences to one city that has demonstrably proven it cannot support them is the definition of insanity and allowed AwFuL to overtake us in all departments in our alleged heartland.

The A-League failed to become a major player in this country because it is competing with EPL, Serie A, Spanish La Liga and Bundesliga for attention from Australian soccer fans who want to see world class players, not 5th rate plodders. RL in this country doesn't have this problem as the NRL is the world's supreme RL competition.

No one gives a f**k about Sydney NRL clubs outside of NSW. If they did then the NRL wouldn't be pulling just 15k viewers across Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth on 9GEM when 2 Sydney clubs are playing.

So what if 5m Sydneysiders stomp their feet and throw a tantrum?

There's 20m Australians outside of Sydney who outrate them 4:1. Only an idiot would ignore 4 people to cater to 1 irrational brat that wants to have everything.

 

[Jim Rockford]

If it's the NRL then you need to have a presence in all major metropolitan areas, which you're against if your post is anything to go by.

If thats true, why does the NFL in America not have a presence in all major metropolitan areas? They still call themselves the National Football League.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If thats true, why does the NFL in America not have a presence in all major metropolitan areas? They still call themselves the National Football League.

Because it has 50 states and a population of 320m.

Australia had 5 major metropolitan areas and a population of 25m.

Can you name one American metropolitan area that has 9 NFL teams?

New York is the largest city, twice the size of Sydney, and it only has 2.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Well, according to you it can only call itself National if it has a presence in all major metropolitan areas (which it doesn't). Or maybe you just want to apply rules to us that don't apply to others.