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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

Canard

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When we do get to the point where the Jets are added, you definitely won't have Broncos, Dolphins, Jets, Reds and Roar all playing out of the same stadium.
I think we are on the same page, except for the Stadium bit.

Only 2 of those teams get decent crowds (Broncos and Dolphins).

The Roar barely play there anymore and play in Summer anyway.

It's a really weird Sydney quirk, whereby people think that multiple teams can't play out of a centralised stadium.

We 100% don't want to add new teams that play in venues as small as Dolphin stadium, in places that are hard to get to.
 

Maximus

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Whilst I understand your position, I think Channel 9 have been absolutely awful for the game and I would be more than happy for the game to go somewhere else

Their commentary is horrid and they don’t promote the game well at all. They tend to promote the fumblers just as much as our game.

Even taking that out of the equation, they have shown their stripes multiple times now - claiming they can’t offer any more and then going out and purchasing RU and biding on multiple occasions for the fumblers and winning the rights on one occasion (and significantly more money than they offer us as well)

He supports ch9 for 1 reason. They said they want more Brisbane teams.
 

Wb1234

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I don't think they would be, well not in the longer-term anyway. There was a proposal as part of the Jets bid to build a boutique ground at Ipswich should they get a licence which makes complete sense.

When we do get to the point where the Jets are added, you definitely won't have Broncos, Dolphins, Jets, Reds and Roar all playing out of the same stadium.

I agree that they shouldn't be added now. Bring in Perth, NZ2 and then revisit SEQ.
Jets should play dolphins broncos titans cowboys south’s storm at Suncorp
 

titoelcolombiano

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I think we are on the same page, except for the Stadium bit.

Only 2 of those teams get decent crowds (Broncos and Dolphins).

The Roar barely play there anymore and play in Summer anyway.

It's a really weird Sydney quirk, whereby people think that multiple teams can't play out of a centralised stadium.

We 100% don't want to add new teams that play in venues as small as Dolphin stadium, in places that are hard to get to.
Fair points, I believe though there is an event limit at Suncorp that will be reached very soon and it's also worth SEQ having some smaller venues into the future too, not just for NRL use, but for the Roar and Reds that do draw lower crowds and also to use for things like NRLW Origins and internationals.
 
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- A local presence in Ipswich representing the rapidly growing Western Corridor

- A chance to sew up one of the largest regions in the country (SEQ) as a Rugby League heartland forever with NRL teams in the North, West, City and South.

- A chance for the NRL to grow in and with a rapidly growing SEQ region, again ensuring that RL is the number 1 sport for generations to come.

- Given that RL is the number 1 sport in the region with loyal and strong support for and participation in the game, it is a reward and acknowledgement for SEQ and QLD for that contribution.

- 4 NRL clubs walks the line between growth and saturation and makes it extremely tough for rival codes to add additional teams into their comps in SEQ, again making sure that we capture the hearts and minds for generations to come.

The Dolphins were an overdue move and it is for now (extra 30k members, great TV ratings, 32k average at Suncorp). Western Corridor (whilst will do very well now) is about the future and growing with an expanding heartland.

I know you do not view AwFuL as a threat, but they've targeted Ipswich and Logan as a growth area for their sport.

They've got the Lions@Springwood Social Club and are investing in the Springwood Pumas. They've also got the training facility at Springfield. AFLQ's latest report shows they've grown Auskick numbers strongly in "the western corridor".

Some of the fastest growing Auskick areas in Queensland are the western corridor, specifically the Ipswich region, which has experienced 45 per cent growth since 2022.

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Since 2019, across South East Queensland, the youth and junior competitions have seen an influx of participants, soaring by 40 per cent


If the ARLC were to put a team in Perth and NZ before addressing AwFuL's incursions in the western corridor then AwFuL will be rubbing their hands with glee.

The Dolphins are spending millions of dollars on juniors within their catchment. The Brisbane Tigers can do the same across southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan. I cannot see the Jets ever having the resources to invest in grassroots.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I know you do not view AwFuL as a threat, but they've targeted Ipswich and Logan as a growth area for their sport.

They've got the Lions@Springwood Social Club and are investing in the Springwood Pumas. They've also got the training facility at Springfield. AFLQ's latest report shows they've grown Auskick numbers strongly in "the western corridor".

Some of the fastest growing Auskick areas in Queensland are the western corridor, specifically the Ipswich region, which has experienced 45 per cent growth since 2022.​
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Since 2019, across South East Queensland, the youth and junior competitions have seen an influx of participants, soaring by 40 per cent​

If the ARLC were to put a team in Perth and NZ before addressing AwFuL's incursions in the western corridor then AwFuL will be rubbing their hands with glee.

The Dolphins are spending millions of dollars on juniors within their catchment. The Brisbane Tigers can do the same across southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan. I cannot see the Jets ever having the resources to invest in grassroots.
I don't disagree that the AFL is aggressively investing in our region and that they have big ambitions here. I believe our game will remain the number 1 sport. But I believe we can do that, grow with SEQ as a game at the same and make it difficult in SEQ for all rival codes by adding the final piece of the NRL puzzle, the Western Corridor side representing the two strongest RL heartlands Ipswich and Logan.
 

Wb1234

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I don't disagree that the AFL is aggressively investing in our region and that they have big ambitions here. I believe our game will remain the number 1 sport. But I believe we can do that, grow with SEQ as a game at the same and make it difficult in SEQ for all rival codes by adding the final piece of the NRL puzzle, the Western Corridor side representing the two strongest RL heartlands Ipswich and Logan.
qld and png are the biggest growth market for rugby league over the next 20 years

Then New Zealand and the pacific islands

even nsw isn’t close to potential
 

Pippen94

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qld and png are the biggest growth market for rugby league over the next 20 years

Then New Zealand and the pacific islands

even nsw isn’t close to potential
Western Sydney between Penrith & Campbell town (& heading south) also huge future area. NRL in on ground floor but must not be complacent
 

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titoelcolombiano

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some untapped suburbs in brisbane and sydney is the future of Rugby League.... f**k me dead
I don't disagree that we should be looking further afield also. For me the best plan seems to be:

18. Perth
19. Christchurch
20. Jets (this is a crucial piece of the underserviced SEQ market, it is growing rapidly)

Then when the game is rolling in the cash of that expansion, we should approach the Government for some support and do PNG properly and invest in Adelaide. Both will be long-term and costly but you have set a financial base to be able to afford it at that point.
 

Pippen94

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I don't disagree that we should be looking further afield also. For me the best plan seems to be:

18. Perth
19. Christchurch
20. Jets (this is a crucial piece of the underserviced SEQ market, it is growing rapidly)

Then when the game is rolling in the cash of that expansion, we should approach the Government for some support and do PNG properly and invest in Adelaide. Both will be long-term and costly but you have set a
financial base to be able to afford it at that point.

Brisbane is more lucrative. Beside it's moot point (not mute) because only Brisbane venture has money behind it..
 
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I don't disagree that the AFL is aggressively investing in our region and that they have big ambitions here. I believe our game will remain the number 1 sport. But I believe we can do that, grow with SEQ as a game at the same and make it difficult in SEQ for all rival codes by adding the final piece of the NRL puzzle, the Western Corridor side representing the two strongest RL heartlands Ipswich and Logan.
I agree with what you're saying. The problem is @mongoose, @The Great Dane, @Perth Red and @Bukowski and even @MugaB think it's more important to expand into Perth before Ipswich/Logan.

If we leave the door open wide enough in southern Brisbane then fumbleball will make further inroads. The growing Auskick numbers in the western corridor is a sign we need an NRL club representing the region and invest money in developing the game at the junior level. The Broncos have been useless on this front because News Ltd don't give a f**k about the health of QRL. Murdoch said in an AwFuL press conference he's going to use his media platform to grow fumbleball in Brisbane and Sydney.

Yesterday I found out that fumbleball was growing its AusKick numbers in northwestern Brisbane and Moreton Bay a few years ago. I think that's one of the reasons the ARLC chose the Dolphins for the 17th licence. Abdo and V'landys said the Dolphins were brought in to safeguard the game against fumbleball.

There's no point trying to carve out a tiny niche in Perth if it comes at the expense of losing a significant portion of Ipswich and Logan to fumbleball.

Think of all the Queensland and Australian representative players that have come from Ipswich and Logan?

Losing just one or two star juniors from these nurseries could set Queensland back in Origin.
 

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I agree with what you're saying. The problem is @mongoose, @The Great Dane, @Perth Red and @Bukowski and even @MugaB think it's more important to expand into Perth before Ipswich/Logan.

If we leave the door open wide enough in southern Brisbane then fumbleball will make further inroads. The growing Auskick numbers in the western corridor is a sign we need an NRL club representing the region and invest money in developing the game at the junior level. The Broncos have been useless on this front because News Ltd don't give a f**k about the health of QRL. Murdoch said in an AwFuL press conference he's going to use his media platform to grow fumbleball in Brisbane and Sydney.

Yesterday I found out that fumbleball was growing its AusKick numbers in northwestern Brisbane and Moreton Bay a few years ago. I think that's one of the reasons the ARLC chose the Dolphins for the 17th licence. Abdo and V'landys said the Dolphins were brought in to safeguard the game against fumbleball.

There's no point trying to carve out a tiny niche in Perth if it comes at the expense of losing a significant portion of Ipswich and Logan to fumbleball.

Think of all the Queensland and Australian representative players that have come from Ipswich and Logan?

Losing just one or two star juniors from these nurseries could set Queensland back in Origin.
Yes i agree perth is a must, but not until we have more players in the player pool, i also think that Victoria having a 2nd side is more important to the overall game for the future having multiple teams in our 3 biggest major capitals should solidify us as a national sport, and create great derbys, at the moment its Storm and Canberra, or anzac day with the warriors, we should be bolstering the storm with a local derby to get the 5 million Victorians interested, at the moment they see the storm as secondary team to follow when their AFL team has bombed out of the finals...
Both those areas needthe player pool to increase before venturing into them... hence why PNG is the 1st picked.. out of the 3 licences, besides QLD are needing some breathing room for dolphins to cement themselves for some seasons rushing in another SEQ team might not be beneficial
 
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