Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your literal user name is Get Rid of The Donkeys, you f**king imbecile.

And yet you can't see the irony in any of your posts.

I created this user name to troll @I Bleed Maroon because he always spoke shit about the Cowboys. I think my very first post on this board was in response to him on a game day thread.

I was born in Brisbane, lived there for many years and went to Uni there, your childish claims are moronic and immature.

Argh, so you're as much of a North Queenslander as me, yet you say I cannot be a Cowboys fan because I'm from Brisbane. That's some logic you're using.

You're as crazy as The Goose.

 

[Pippen94]

Exactly. Have you seen anything more juvenile than this f****** shit?

He did call me a liar coz he doesn't know how to use search

 

[MugaB]

Fordham: “We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example.

“The more games we can get played featuring Queensland teams in Southeast Queensland, the better..

Good shit.... now i can leave this place on my own accord.. fairwell you bunch of emotional teenagers

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fordham: “We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example.

“The more games we can get played featuring Queensland teams in Southeast Queensland, the better..

It's inevitable that Brisbane will get a third team within the next decade.

The only realiatic contenders are a Perth-based consortium that's backed by the WA Gov and the Brisbane Tigers. Andrew Chalmers spoke about a $30m Southern Orcas bid to be based out of Wellington a couple of years ago, but has gone silent since then. Who knows, maybe the Bears will saddle up with Chalmers. It's an exciting time to be a rugby league fan.

I'd love for PNG to have a team, but the country is too poor, violent and corrupt to support one. At this stage I'd prefer to see our government help build the infrastructure needed to lift Papuans out of poverty

 

[Canard]

I created this user name to troll @I Bleed Maroon because he always spoke shit about the Cowboys. I think my very first post on this board was in response to him on a game day thread.



Argh, so you're as much of a North Queenslander as me, yet you say I cannot be a Cowboys fan because I'm from Brisbane. That's some logic you're using.

I lived in Cairns and Townsville for decades, so no.

You created your account in 2020, the year the Broncos won the spoon, and 14 years removed from winning anything of note.

What the f**k could a Broncos fan possibly have over a Cowboys fan at that time? And how the f**k could be have triggered you so much?

 

[Colk]

He did call me a liar coz he doesn't know how to use searc

It’s just a forum mate. I wouldn’t worry so much about it.

 

[Perth Red]

Fordham: “We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example.

“The more games we can get played featuring Queensland teams in Southeast Queensland, the better..

haha f**k me thats it? 'We think there's room for another team in Qlnd'. And that translates to you as Ch9 want Brisbane3 over other teams and think its worth $X? f**k off you idiot.

 

[Pippen94]

haha f**k me thats it? 'We think there's room for another team in Qlnd'. And that translates to you as Ch9 want Brisbane3 over other teams and think its worth $X? f**k off you idiot.

Lol, just apologize

 

[Perth Red]

Lol, just apologize

Sure, when you show me a link to a CH9 exec saying they prefer Brisbane3 to any other bid. "we think there's room for another Queensland team" is not what you said they said.

 

[Pippen94]

Sure, when you show me a link to a CH9 exec saying they prefer Brisbane3 to any other bid. "we think there's room for another Queensland team" is not what you said they said.

Wow, never thought you'd try & weasel ur way out.

 

[Perth Red]

Wow, never thought you'd try & weasel ur way out.

never thought you'd make sht up, oh hang on.....

 

[Pippen94]

never thought you'd make sht up, oh hang on.....

Yeah, I said nine wanted another se qld team based on that article. Must have read it wrong coz you seem to think it advocates for Perth or something..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I lived in Cairns and Townsville for decades, so no.

You created your account in 2020, the year the Broncos won the spoon, and 14 years removed from winning anything of note.

What the f**k could a Broncos fan possibly have over a Cowboys fan at that time? And how the f**k could be have triggered you so much?

Stop exposing your ignorance.

I create my account In May 2020 when season was suspended due to COVID-19. The Broncos were undefeated at that stage and were touted by the media as a premiership contender. No one could have predicted they were going to finish the season in last place. From 2018 until May 2020 there were Broncos fans all over this site heaping shit on the Cowboys in game day threads.

You don't live in Cairns or Townsville now, do you?

You don't even live in Queensland.

Why would a devoted Cowboys fan move to Melbourne?

Try growing up in Brisbane supporting the Cowboys in the mid-90s. I didn't get to see them on TV in 1996. K-Mart didn't even sell their jersey. I stuck by them despite not being able to see them on TV. I could have supported the Broncos, Crushers or Chargers. I stayed loyal to the Cowboys. I may not be a North Queenslander, but I'm a more passionate Cowboys fan than you've ever been.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, I said nine wanted another se qld team based on that article. Must have read it wrong coz you seem to think it advocates for Perth or something..

I think it doesnt say they prefer Brisbane over any other bid or that another Brisbane team will make ch9 pay more money than any other bid. Which is what you stated it said. Being 'open to another queensland team' does not intimate either of the points let alone state them categorically.

Given they didnt pay anything for Brisbane2 I think we can safely say that location of club 18 is far less important to Tv value than the 9th time slot and what open competition for the rights will be. Hence why I dont think TV will drive the decision on club 18.

 

[Pippen94]

I think it doesnt say they prefer Brisbane over any other bid or that another Brisbane team will make ch9 pay more money than any other bid. Which is what you stated it said. Being 'open to another queensland team' does not intimate either of the points let alone state them categorically.

Given they didnt pay anything for Brisbane2 I think we can safely say that location of club 18 is far less important to Tv value than the 9th time slot and what open competition for the rights will be. Hence why I dont think TV will drive the decision on club 18.

How much of what u write is just for yourself to cope?!
Whatever appeals to broadcasters the most will get up.

 

[marshall stalin]

Surely it has to be Perth as 18th team - When it expands to 19 and 20 teams - Brisbane Firehawks and NZ2 can then come in

4 Divisions of 5 teams - play all teams once and teams in your division twice - 23 rounds

example of divisions

Division 1 - Cowboys/ Dolphins/Firehawks/Broncos/Titans
Division 2 - Roosters/Souths/Perth/Manly/Knights
Division 3 - Parramatta/Penrith/Bulldogs/Wests Tigers/Raiders
Division 4 - Sharks/Dragons/NZ Warriors/NZ 2/ Storm

If 8 team finals series

Top 2 from each division qualify for finals

Week 1 - 1's vs 1's in qualifying finals and 2's vs 2's in elimination finals and so on

Regular season is 230 games

Currently - 204 games

 

[The Great Dane]

I honestly need my head checked for wasting my time responding to this rambling nonsense...

If you care so much for the good of the game then you'll advocate for the Raiders to relocate to Adelaide, yeah?

Canberra is not one of the five metro areas and they draw shit ratings in Brisbane and Sydney because ACT is a separate territory in the middle of no where. Adelaide is one of the 5 metro areas.

I actually think that the Raiders are the most likely team in the NRL to relocate at the moment, but that's because of politics and the stadium situation down here. It's a slim chance of actually happening, but it could happen if the stadium negotiations go really south, and a slim chance is still larger than no chance, but I digress.

The chances of an NRL side relocating any time soon is so slim that it isn't really worth discussing seriously, but it wouldn't be in the sport's interest to relocate the Raiders. The Raiders are the only club in the region and are also one of the more successful and financially stable clubs in the league. If you were going to relocate a club ATM it'd be one of the weaker Sydney clubs.

I know what you and The Goose will say.

"Cowboys and Titans are also regional".

Yes, Cowboys and Titans are regional clubs, but the former draws a lot of support in Brisbane. The latter is included in the Brisbane OzTam ratings. Both clubs matter to rugby league fans in Brisbane and draw good ratings for Ch9. Raiders don't mean anything to anyone from Brisbane and Sydney. The only person in Brisbane who follows them is some wanker from Canberra who won't live down there because he reckons it's a shitty boring city. He also thinks the ARU and ARLC have conspired with one another to not have an NRL team in Perth, so forgive me for thinking he's a nutcase. If a Raiders fan won't live in Canberra, what chance does the club have of enticing marquee players from interstate to sign with them?

You're talking to a Raiders fan who lives in Canberra lol. In fact the vast majority of Raiders fans are from Canberra or the surrounding region, so I don't know what the f**k you're talking about lol.

The Raiders don't struggle to sign and retain marquee players anymore than any of the other regional clubs either, and the meme about them struggling to sign players because "there's no beach in Canberra" comes directly from hacks in Sydney whom don't want to address the fact that the salary cap and structure of the competition significantly advantages certain clubs over others. However this is a giant tangent, then again everything you've said is a giant tangent from my original point...

What part of my alleged narrative is wrong?

Canberra were a basketcase until they poached Meninga, Belcher, Bennett, the Walters brothers and plenty of other Queenslanders from the BRL. Their last premiership was Mal Meninga's final rugby league game in 1994.

What has Canberra won since the BRL died in 1997?

Ch9 won't touch them with a 10 foot pole because they're worthless to the commercial sector. The Raiders Group has bought up God knows how many sporting clubs in SEQ to offset their poor returns from football operations. They're a classic example of a club that provides nothing and relies heavily on Queensland and NSW for survival, yet their fans want to dictate how the game is run in Brisbane and Sydney.

Pretty much all of it.

The Raiders were steadily building before they signed those players from Qld. They didn't 'raid' anybody, simply signed said players from Qld because they were the best available to them to fill those positions at the time, just like any other team would have. They would have been fools to overlook them because they were from Qld. Local players were also just as important to those squads of the 80s and 90s as imports from Qld, NZ, Fiji, etc, and for every Meninga, Belcher, and Walters there was a Daley, Stuart, and Clyde.

We know exactly how many clubs The Raiders Group owns in Qld; zero. They sold The Logan rec club and The Toowoomba Sports Club back to local owners in 2019 and a couple of months ago respectively. They do however own businesses and assets all over the joint. How many, if any, of those are in Qld specifically IDK, but again they'd be fools to turn down a business venture simply because it isn't located in the Capital Region.

They've also done a damn sight more than the ex-BRL clubs since 97, and have never felt the need to abuse the sports rorts to achieve what they have like Redcliffe did. . . But I digress... They've also done it all with massive handicaps compared to most of their competition. There's plenty you can criticise the Raiders for, but their success off the pitch is actually very impressive given their circumstances.

Finally, nobody in Canberra wants to 'dictate how the game is run in Brisbane and Sydney'. Literally couldn't care less, just keep it in Brisbane and Sydney where it belongs, and allow the national competition to develop into it's own independent thing, for it's own independent audience, instead of trying to warp it into a repackaged version of your suburban comp that nobody cares about.

I don't disagree with what you're saying here. It doesn't change the fact our game is practically governed by the broadcasters because that's where it sources the bulk of its income. Officials who've tried to stand up to te broadcastera have been knifed in the back by the clubs and RLPA because all they care about is the money on offer from Ch9 and Foxtel. Based on those parameters we're highly unlikely to see the game head in the direction that you and The Goose want it to go.

What is and what should and could be aren't the same thing, and, to an extent, the broadcasters only have as much power as they are given.

You've also shifted the goalposts from arguing that it's right that Brisbane should have more NRL licenses in the next 10 years at the expense of other markets, to arguing that it's a regrettable inevitability because of the broadcasters.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The chances of an NRL side relocating any time soon is so slim that it isn't really worth discussing seriously,

You know what is highly unlikely to happen?

Your proposed model for expansion and rationalistion!

Deep down you know that your position has zero chance of coming to fruition. The ARLC doesn't agree with you. The RLPA doesn't agree with you. The broadcasters don't agree with you.

Deep down you know the ARLC is not in a position to rationalise Sydney and expand the game across the country with "neutral" brands.

You argued against the Dolphins back in 2020. I recall you saying any new team in Brisbane has to be a "neutral" brand. I said Brisbane 2 needed to be a BRL team. The ARLC went with my idea and ignored yours. As a matter of fact, the only "neutral" bid for the 17th licence was so shit and unpopular it had to merge with a BRL team. You've done nothing but heap shit on Redcliffe ever since because you cannot accept you were wrong.

Whether you like it or not, the Brisbane Tigers have the most impressive bid out of all the candidates. The only real threat to them are the potential bidders from Perth.

No one from Adelaide is going to put together a proposition that is stronger than Perth or Brisbane 3. The ARLC isn't going to create a team from scratch for Adelaide. Nor is the ARLC going to ignore Brisbane 3 just because you have an irrational fear of BRL and NSWRL clubs playing in the "national" competition.

Do you even know how much the Raiders make from football operations?

I've never seen the Raiders release an annual financial report.

I never said that Brisbane 3 is a "regrettable inevitability". I said Brisbane deserves a third team and will get one sooner than people on here would like because it's in the best interests of the broadcasters. Whether you like it or not, the broadcasters have a lot of influence over our game because they provide the bulk of its income. The NRL clubs, QRL, NSWRL and RLPA care more about funding than they do about expansion into Adelaide. To get that money they need to keep the broadcasters on side and give them a product that benefits both parties. Ch9 have already said they want more teams in Brisbane because of the Dolphins' success. Any leader who has gone against the broadcasters has been forced out of the ARLC by the clubs and RLPA.

I cannot wait until the mighty Brisbane Tigers are in the NRL. I know you will go crazy when it happens and say it will be a failure and a waste of a licence. I look forward to it.

Finally, nobody in Canberra wants to 'dictate how the game is run in Brisbane and Sydney'. Literally couldn't care less, just keep it in Brisbane and Sydney where it belongs, and allow the national competition to develop into it's own independent thing, for it's own independent audience, instead of trying to warp it into a repackaged version of your suburban comp that nobody cares about.

In the first sentence you said no one from Canberra wants to dictate how the game is run. Then you contradict yourself by saying that the NRL should have no clubs from the BRL and NSWRL.

If it went down that route then it would be a miserable failure like the Australian Rugby Championahip.

The NRL wouldn't exist without the QRL and NSWRL.

The NRL can exist just fine without Canberra. Remove Brisbane and Sydney from the equation and you're left with a product that no one cares about.

I hate to break it to you, but Brisbane has embraced the Redcliffe Dolphins with open arms!

Ch9 are so happy with The Dolphins they're talking about a third Brisbane team!

But apparently no one gives a f**k about Brisbane and Sydney...

You know what no one outside of Canberra could give a f**k about?

The Canberra Raiders!

The AFL, BBL, NBL, A-League and Super Netball don't give a f**k about Canberra. You're always going on about national competitions having teams in Adelaide and Perth, but ignore the fact they don't have one in Canberra.

 

[MugaB]

You know what no one outside of Canberra could give a f**k about?

The Canberra Raiders!

The AFL, BBL, NBL, A-League and Super Netball don't give a f**k about Canberra. You're always going on about national competitions having teams in Adelaide and Perth, but ignore the fact they don't have one in Canberra.

Here we go... another f**king rant about booting a team out, you know those codes dont have a presence in Auckland and Townsville... do we boot them out too? (Other than the NBL)

 

[The Great Dane]

You know what is highly unlikely to happen?

Your proposed model for expansion and rationalistion!

Deep down you know that your position has zero chance of coming to fruition. The ARLC doesn't agree with you. The RLPA doesn't agree with you. The broadcasters don't agree with you.

Deep down you know the ARLC is not in a position to rationalise Sydney and expand the game across the country with "neutral" brands.

I haven't proposed a model for expansion or rationalisation in years, but suffice it to say that your description of my position isn't accurate at all.

I mean I literally said that the chances of rationalisation in the NRL are so slim that it isn't worth seriously discussing in the post you're replying to FFS.

You argued against the Dolphins back in 2020. I recall you saying any new team in Brisbane has to be a "neutral" brand. I said Brisbane 2 needed to be a BRL team. The ARLC went with my idea and ignored yours. As a matter of fact, the only "neutral" bid for the 17th licence was so shit and unpopular it had to merge with a BRL team. You've done nothing but heap shit on Redcliffe ever since because you cannot accept you were wrong.

Redcliffe have gone exactly how I predicted so far. In fact the only thing I got wrong was that I thought they'd run with the Redcliffe name, but I didn't know that they couldn't because of QRL rules so I let myself off on that one.

They'll start to shed the poseurs and fair weather supporters once the novelty effect has worn off in a few years time, after that they will fail to meet the potential in Brisbane except for when they are successful on the pitch.

Whether you like it or not, the Brisbane Tigers have the most impressive bid out of all the candidates. The only real threat to them are the potential bidders from Perth.

East's bid isn't really that impressive. It's a bog standard Australian "our gambling business will underwrite the pro team" sports business plan, which is a model that's going the way of the dodo anyway with increased regulation of the gambling industry.

With a little bit of effort the NRL could find the investors to put together stronger business plans in most of the major markets in the region, or back the clubs themselves. Unfortunately the NRL is a short sighted and highly risk averse organisation.

No one from Adelaide is going to put together a proposition that is stronger than Perth or Brisbane 3. The ARLC isn't going to create a team from scratch for Adelaide. Nor is the ARLC going to ignore Brisbane 3 just because you have an irrational fear of BRL and NSWRL clubs playing in the "national" competition.

'irrational fear' LOL.

Do you even know how much the Raiders make from football operations?

I've never seen the Raiders release an annual financial report.

You're going to try to make it look bad by comparing it to the Broncos or some shit, but it's impressive for the club from the second smallest market and most competitive regional market in the NRL.

It used to be even more impressive when the clubs couldn't rely on the NRL to more or less underwrite them with the grant as well.

I never said that Brisbane 3 is a "regrettable inevitability". I said Brisbane deserves a third team and will get one sooner than people on here would like because it's in the best interests of the broadcasters. Whether you like it or not, the broadcasters have a lot of influence over our game because they provide the bulk of its income. The NRL clubs, QRL, NSWRL and RLPA care more about funding than they do about expansion into Adelaide. To get that money they need to keep the broadcasters on side and give them a product that benefits both parties. Ch9 have already said they want more teams in Brisbane because of the Dolphins' success. Any leader who has gone against the broadcasters has been forced out of the ARLC by the clubs and RLPA.

There it is again, not what's in the best interests of the whole, only what Brisbane "deserves"...

Who cares if we could be doing bigger and better things in other parts of the country, Brisbane wants it's cheap imitation of Balmain in the NRL.

I cannot wait until the mighty Brisbane Tigers are in the NRL. I know you will go crazy when it happens and say it will be a failure and a waste of a licence. I look forward to it.

You couldn't care less about Easts anymore than you care about the Dolphins lol.

You'll forget about them as soon as they get a license and move on to advocating for Brisbane to get the fourth license that it "deserves", and the fifth after that.

BTW, you're not going to understand this, but I've become increasingly accelerationist when it comes to the subject of the NRL's governance. The more inequity in the governance of the NRL the quicker and larger the backlash will be, so f**k it, I welcome it.