Broncos have said no to another brisbane club. What news ltd wants news ltd gets. They still run the game. Dolphins taking norths off them will only double down their resistance.
So there only point of difference is a "high performance" centre.
Our redeveloped $10 million home den Totally Workwear Stadium - theTigers.com.au
Suzuki Brisbane Tigers team lists for the weekend of 3-4th September 2022.thetigers.com.au
Of which includes in Stage 1 (and I quote)
And stage 3 (to be built in 2025) includes a commercial gymnasium (so a 24hr fitness)
I mean how will any other club compete with such incredible infrastructure!
Good to see you retract your lie about any comments I made on Adelaide.
We can but hope re perth!It's definitely possible that News Ltd might block a third team from Brisbane.
We could end up with Perth as the 18th team and never expand beyond that number. The WA Gov is keen and so is the Perth business sector. If the game doesn't add Perth then it will have f**ked up expansion.
I really hope Ch9/Stan put in a bid for everything. They need content for Stan and don't have any conflict of interest regarding the Broncos. They'd also benefit more [than News Ltd] from having a Perth team because they have a stake in the Perth media.
And why are you totally ignoring their retail and residential businesses to focus on leagues clubs? Could it be because they're known to sell some of those businesses for more than the Cowboys entire worth?
Lay down the torches and pitchforks, I'm Just stirring him up Cowboys fans.
We can but hope re perth!
re ch9 only problem is their covg and general treatment of the game is shthouse. I’d hate to think how bad it would be if they had it all.
ch10/paramount might bring afresh new approach
I'm focusing on money generated from football operations. Gaming and property is revenue from non-football operations.
You're against a third Brisbane team and have spent the last two years shitting on the Dolphins.
Why are the Dolphins generating more revenue than the Raiders from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?
It proves all of your protestations against the Dolphins have been totally unfounded. The corporate sector and rugby league fans of Brisbane have embraced the Dolphins to a degree that exceeds Canberra's support for the Raiders.
If the Dolphins were just a "shitbox suburban club" like you claim then their finances would resemble the Wests Tigers, Canterbury Bulldogs and Cronulla Sharks. From sponsorship alone the Dolphins are generating $10m. That puts them ahead of the Cowboys and behind the Broncos. Not bad, hey?
as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.In the perfect world we would also have a team in Adelaide, but the odds of it occurring are so low I've given up hope. Adelaide is light years behind Perth in every way that matters when it comes to having an NRL team. Perth has a large expatriate population from Queensland, New South Wales, New Zealand and Britain. Adelaide doesn't. Perth is a very rich city with a strong corporate sector. Adelaide is much smaller. RL in Perth is growing each year. The game is almost non-existent in Adelaide.
The Raiders are in the most competitive regional sports market in the country, on the other hand the Cowboys have effectively zero direct competitors of any significance. The Cowboys also get more free publicity through exposure and institutional support from the media and government in Queensland alone than the Raiders could ever dream of. At times the ACT government is almost hostile to the Raiders by comparison.On p18 of the 2022 annual report from the North Queensland Cowboys :
Football Operations Amount Sponsorship & Corporate $9,809,901 Merchandise $2,013,944 Membership $3,274,148 Game Day and Event $7,495,133 TOTAL $22,593,126
Wookie said the Raiders made $3m from "rugby league operations". I took his word.
I just read through the report and see the Raiders cover sponsorship and corporate under "Rendering of Services" and membership, ticketing and merchandise under "Sales of Goods". That brings the total to about $16m. Very good, but still well behind the Cowboys and the stronger Sydney clubs. The weaker Sydney clubs are below the Raiders.
Neither did the Raiders.Cowboys didn't raid an entire competition, did they?
Raiders used pokie machine revenue to buy up State of Origin players from the BRL. The BRL didn't have access to this revenue stream until 1991. ACT legalised pokies in licenced venues in the 1970s.
Yeah a lot changed after 2015 lol.Cowboys and Raiders were on the same playing field in 2015. Learn context.[/b]
It's very difficult for the people of Adelaide to buy NRL products if the NRL refuses to sell them to them.as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.
that’s not to say it would never work here though…but hard yards would be required.
I prob feel our best chance now would be via relocation.
The NRL would be mad to get involved with anything that Chalmers puts his name to.Let's see if Chalmers can make good on his bold claims for the Southern Orcas.
Making money from gambling and property isn’t illegal however much you want it to be.
the conspiracy theory (unfounded and absolutely ridiculous as it is) that Raiders fans are essentially blocking teams from SE Qld (absolutely embarassing and you should be embarrassed that you make such an accusation)
If you think the Brisbane Tigers won't generate more than $20m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing, merchandise and membership then you're living in a fantasy world. They'll have all of southern Brisbane to themselves. Companies will be liking up to sponsor them. They'll make great coin from corporate hospitality because their games will be based at Lang Park. On top of this, they have the infrastructure needed to recruit players and keep them well conditioned at Langlands Park. NRLW games are penned in to be played at Langlands Park this year. Shit on the club all you like if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact they have the stadium, training facilities and corporate appeal to become the second biggest club in the world behind the Broncos. Over time they could even become bigger than the Broncos. The irony is if they were brought in this year then there wouldn't be a need for a third Brisbane team.
No one said it's illegal to generate revenue from non-football operations.
The point I was making is the North Queensland Cowboys are a more lucrative sporting brand than the Canberra Raiders. The fact remains that the commercial sector is willing to invest more money in the Cowboys than the Raiders because the former has a larger and more parochial supporter base than the latter. It's why the Cowboys generate significantly more money from football operations than the Raiders. Whether you like it or not, revenue from football operations is the best indicator of a club's standing in the community.
The largest and most lucrative brand in club rugby league is the Brisbane Broncos. Their revenue from football operations dwarfs every other club.
Ch9 don't want to cover Raiders games because they have very little market value across the country.
I never said that Raiders fans have a hope in hell of convincing the ARLC to not introduce any more teams in SEQ. I said Raiders fans are afraid of a third Brisbane team because it would make life harder for their side to compete for sponsors and media coverage.
In this thread -- and several others -- there are three Raiders fans death riding the prospect of a third Brisbane team entering the NRL. The vitriol displayed is embarrassing and tiresome.
You're one of those three fans.
When pressed to explain your position you say it's "irrational" to add another team after the Dolphins and then cite America's sporting landscape for some unknown reason. You haven't come up with a genuine reason to not give the 18th licence to the Brisbane Tigers. What you feel isn't a valid reason. I don't give a f**k what you feel.
The broadcasters and ARLC are not against Brisbane receiving the 18th licence. In fact, of all the potential bids, Brisbane 3 has received the most support from the ARLC and broadcasters.
The Raiders are in the most competitive regional sports market in the country, on the other hand the Cowboys have effectively zero direct competitors of any significance.
The Cowboys also get more free publicity through exposure and institutional support from the media and government in Queensland alone than the Raiders could ever dream of.
At times the ACT government is almost hostile to the Raiders by comparison.
The Cowboys have a state of the art stadium with modern facilities.
Meanwhile the Raiders have easily the worst stadium in pro football in Australia outside of the suburban grounds in Sydney, with corporate facilities that were outdated when they were installed 30 years ago, and less corporate boxes and sponsorship hoarding to sell in total than the Cowboys as well.
The average price of Raiders memberships is lower for the same reasons and, to a lesser extent, because the competition in the market forces the Raiders prices down to remain competitive.
In other words, the Raiders have less to sell and they have to sell it cheaper because the quality of the product is worse, and that's almost totally outside of the Raiders control.
Not all of us can get the Federal government to build us new stadiums in one of the most blatant cases of pork barrelling in recent times...
I'm not having a go at them for this, but frankly the Cowboys would struggle if they were forced to swap positions with the Raiders.
Neither did the Raiders.
It's pretty weird that you hold a grudge because the NSWRL outcompeted the BRL.
It's also weird that you single the Raiders out for particular blame for that.
Yeah a lot changed after 2015 lol.
as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.
that’s not to say it would never work here though…but hard yards would be required.
I prob feel our best chance now would be via relocation.
I don't think the Cowboys get that many more Channel 9 games than the Raiders, if any. There was a time when the Raiders barely had any fta games but they have been awarded more in recent years.
I don't think the Cowboys get that many more Channel 9 games than the Raiders, if any. There was a time when the Raiders barely had any fta games but they have been awarded more in recent years.
Any proof of that?Cowboys generate strong ratings in SEQ. Raiders do not generate strong ratings anywhere.