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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

Perth Red

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Broncos have said no to another brisbane club. What news ltd wants news ltd gets. They still run the game. Dolphins taking norths off them will only double down their resistance.
 
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Broncos have said no to another brisbane club. What news ltd wants news ltd gets. They still run the game. Dolphins taking norths off them will only double down their resistance.

It's definitely possible that News Ltd might block a third team from Brisbane.

We could end up with Perth as the 18th team and never expand beyond that number. The WA Gov is keen and so is the Perth business sector. If the game doesn't add Perth then it will have f**ked up expansion.

I really hope Ch9/Stan put in a bid for everything. They need content for Stan and don't have any conflict of interest regarding the Broncos. They'd also benefit more [than News Ltd] from having a Perth team because they have a stake in the Perth media.
 
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So there only point of difference is a "high performance" centre.


Of which includes in Stage 1 (and I quote)



And stage 3 (to be built in 2025) includes a commercial gymnasium (so a 24hr fitness)

I mean how will any other club compete with such incredible infrastructure!

Good to see you retract your lie about any comments I made on Adelaide.

If you think the Brisbane Tigers won't generate more than $20m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing, merchandise and membership then you're living in a fantasy world. They'll have all of southern Brisbane to themselves. Companies will be liking up to sponsor them. They'll make great coin from corporate hospitality because their games will be based at Lang Park. On top of this, they have the infrastructure needed to recruit players and keep them well conditioned at Langlands Park. NRLW games are penned in to be played at Langlands Park this year. Shit on the club all you like if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact they have the stadium, training facilities and corporate appeal to become the second biggest club in the world behind the Broncos. Over time they could even become bigger than the Broncos. The irony is if they were brought in this year then there wouldn't be a need for a third Brisbane team.
 

Perth Red

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It's definitely possible that News Ltd might block a third team from Brisbane.

We could end up with Perth as the 18th team and never expand beyond that number. The WA Gov is keen and so is the Perth business sector. If the game doesn't add Perth then it will have f**ked up expansion.

I really hope Ch9/Stan put in a bid for everything. They need content for Stan and don't have any conflict of interest regarding the Broncos. They'd also benefit more [than News Ltd] from having a Perth team because they have a stake in the Perth media.
We can but hope re perth!

re ch9 only problem is their covg and general treatment of the game is shthouse. I’d hate to think how bad it would be if they had it all.
ch10/paramount might bring afresh new approach
 
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And why are you totally ignoring their retail and residential businesses to focus on leagues clubs? Could it be because they're known to sell some of those businesses for more than the Cowboys entire worth?
Lay down the torches and pitchforks, I'm Just stirring him up Cowboys fans.

I'm focusing on money generated from football operations. Gaming and property is revenue from non-football operations.

You're against a third Brisbane team and have spent the last two years shitting on the Dolphins.

Why are the Dolphins generating more revenue than the Raiders from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?

It proves all of your protestations against the Dolphins have been totally unfounded. The corporate sector and rugby league fans of Brisbane have embraced the Dolphins to a degree that exceeds Canberra's support for the Raiders.

If the Dolphins were just a "shitbox suburban club" like you claim then their finances would resemble the Wests Tigers, Canterbury Bulldogs and Cronulla Sharks. From sponsorship alone the Dolphins are generating $10m. That puts them ahead of the Cowboys and behind the Broncos. Not bad, hey?
 
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We can but hope re perth!

re ch9 only problem is their covg and general treatment of the game is shthouse. I’d hate to think how bad it would be if they had it all.
ch10/paramount might bring afresh new approach

If the ARLC intends on adding just one more team then it should be Perth. That would cover every metro area except Adelaide. No non-RL city has invested as much time and money on bidding for an NRL team than Perth.

The selfish part of me would like to see Brisbane have a second BRL club because it would fill me with pride. RL is the main game in Brisbane. Having three teams will let people not familiar with the city know the sport is every bit as strong in Brisbane as it is in Sydney. But Brisbane 3 can wait until Perth an NZ 2 are introduced. I'd also like to see a third team in NZ one day.

In the perfect world we would also have a team in Adelaide, but the odds of it occurring are so low I've given up hope. Adelaide is light years behind Perth in every way that matters when it comes to having an NRL team. Perth has a large expatriate population from Queensland, New South Wales, New Zealand and Britain. Adelaide doesn't. Perth is a very rich city with a strong corporate sector. Adelaide is much smaller. RL in Perth is growing each year. The game is almost non-existent in Adelaide.

Let's see if Chalmers can make good on his bold claims for the Southern Orcas. Having strong bids from Brisbane, Perth and Wellington will be instrumental in getting us to 20 teams. If it's just Brisbane and Perth fielding a stable bid then only one team will get in.
 

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I'm focusing on money generated from football operations. Gaming and property is revenue from non-football operations.

You're against a third Brisbane team and have spent the last two years shitting on the Dolphins.

Why are the Dolphins generating more revenue than the Raiders from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?

It proves all of your protestations against the Dolphins have been totally unfounded. The corporate sector and rugby league fans of Brisbane have embraced the Dolphins to a degree that exceeds Canberra's support for the Raiders.

If the Dolphins were just a "shitbox suburban club" like you claim then their finances would resemble the Wests Tigers, Canterbury Bulldogs and Cronulla Sharks. From sponsorship alone the Dolphins are generating $10m. That puts them ahead of the Cowboys and behind the Broncos. Not bad, hey?

You’re simply shifting the goalposts as you have for the last however few pages. Making money from gambling and property isn’t illegal however much you want it to be.

Same as the whole conversation about the Raiders ‘raiding’ Brisbane rugby league players (feel free to have a debate about that and the associated little cry about the history of the QRL and NSWRL) or the little debate about where players come from or the conspiracy theory (unfounded and absolutely ridiculous as it is) that Raiders fans are essentially blocking teams from SE Qld (absolutely embarassing and you should be embarrassed that you make such an accusation)

This whole debate (if you want to label it that) is absolutely inane and all it is some pathetic attempt to correct some little historical mistake you think occurred.
 

wain

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In the perfect world we would also have a team in Adelaide, but the odds of it occurring are so low I've given up hope. Adelaide is light years behind Perth in every way that matters when it comes to having an NRL team. Perth has a large expatriate population from Queensland, New South Wales, New Zealand and Britain. Adelaide doesn't. Perth is a very rich city with a strong corporate sector. Adelaide is much smaller. RL in Perth is growing each year. The game is almost non-existent in Adelaide.
as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.
that’s not to say it would never work here though…but hard yards would be required.
I prob feel our best chance now would be via relocation.
 

The Great Dane

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On p18 of the 2022 annual report from the North Queensland Cowboys :

Football OperationsAmount
Sponsorship & Corporate$9,809,901
Merchandise$2,013,944
Membership$3,274,148
Game Day and Event$7,495,133
TOTAL
$22,593,126


Wookie said the Raiders made $3m from "rugby league operations". I took his word.

I just read through the report and see the Raiders cover sponsorship and corporate under "Rendering of Services" and membership, ticketing and merchandise under "Sales of Goods". That brings the total to about $16m. Very good, but still well behind the Cowboys and the stronger Sydney clubs. The weaker Sydney clubs are below the Raiders.
The Raiders are in the most competitive regional sports market in the country, on the other hand the Cowboys have effectively zero direct competitors of any significance. The Cowboys also get more free publicity through exposure and institutional support from the media and government in Queensland alone than the Raiders could ever dream of. At times the ACT government is almost hostile to the Raiders by comparison.

The Cowboys have a state of the art stadium with modern facilities. Meanwhile the Raiders have easily the worst stadium in pro football in Australia outside of the suburban grounds in Sydney, with corporate facilities that were outdated when they were installed 30 years ago, and less corporate boxes and sponsorship hoarding to sell in total than the Cowboys as well. The average price of Raiders memberships is lower for the same reasons and, to a lesser extent, because the competition in the market forces the Raiders prices down to remain competitive.

In other words, the Raiders have less to sell and they have to sell it cheaper because the quality of the product is worse, and that's almost totally outside of the Raiders control. Not all of us can get the Federal government to build us new stadiums in one of the most blatant cases of pork barrelling in recent times...

I'm not having a go at them for this, but frankly the Cowboys would struggle if they were forced to swap positions with the Raiders.
Cowboys didn't raid an entire competition, did they?

Raiders used pokie machine revenue to buy up State of Origin players from the BRL. The BRL didn't have access to this revenue stream until 1991. ACT legalised pokies in licenced venues in the 1970s.
Neither did the Raiders.

It's pretty weird that you hold a grudge because the NSWRL outcompeted the BRL. It's also weird that you single the Raiders out for particular blame for that.
Cowboys and Raiders were on the same playing field in 2015. Learn context.[/b]
Yeah a lot changed after 2015 lol.
 
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The Great Dane

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as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.
that’s not to say it would never work here though…but hard yards would be required.
I prob feel our best chance now would be via relocation.
It's very difficult for the people of Adelaide to buy NRL products if the NRL refuses to sell them to them.

Saying Adelaide can't/shouldn't have an NRL side because RL isn't popular enough there is like saying McDonald's shouldn't expand to a new country because the Big Mac's sales numbers are low there...

The only way there's going to be significant growth for the sport in South Australia is if there's a local professional presence to create publicity and push interest as well. Without that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy that RL will continuing to tread water in SA, and that fact will continue to be used as an excuse for the NRL to overlook them.

An NRL side in Adelaide may not happen for 1, 2, 3, or more decades, but it's a necessity and an inevitability. It will happen sooner or later, and you won't see much significant growth of the sport locally in SA until it happens.

BTW, this is a weirdly Australian issue as well. Ice Hockey was effectively a nonentity in Las Vegas before 2017 and they just won the Stanley Cup in front of a sold-out arena 4 days ago with an average ticket price of US$1377.
 
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Making money from gambling and property isn’t illegal however much you want it to be.

No one said it's illegal to generate revenue from non-football operations.

The point I was making is the North Queensland Cowboys are a more lucrative sporting brand than the Canberra Raiders. The fact remains that the commercial sector is willing to invest more money in the Cowboys than the Raiders because the former has a larger and more parochial supporter base than the latter. It's why the Cowboys generate significantly more money from football operations than the Raiders. Whether you like it or not, revenue from football operations is the best indicator of a club's standing in the community.

The largest and most lucrative brand in club rugby league is the Brisbane Broncos. Their revenue from football operations dwarfs every other club.

Ch9 don't want to cover Raiders games because they have very little market value across the country.

the conspiracy theory (unfounded and absolutely ridiculous as it is) that Raiders fans are essentially blocking teams from SE Qld (absolutely embarassing and you should be embarrassed that you make such an accusation)

I never said that Raiders fans have a hope in hell of convincing the ARLC to not introduce any more teams in SEQ. I said Raiders fans are afraid of a third Brisbane team because it would make life harder for their side to compete for sponsors and media coverage.

In this thread -- and several others -- there are three Raiders fans death riding the prospect of a third Brisbane team entering the NRL. The vitriol displayed is embarrassing and tiresome.

You're one of those three fans.

When pressed to explain your position you say it's "irrational" to add another team after the Dolphins and then cite America's sporting landscape for some unknown reason. You haven't come up with a genuine reason to not give the 18th licence to the Brisbane Tigers. What you feel isn't a valid reason. I don't give a f**k what you feel.

The broadcasters and ARLC are not against Brisbane receiving the 18th licence. In fact, of all the potential bids, Brisbane 3 has received the most support from the ARLC and broadcasters.
 
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If you think the Brisbane Tigers won't generate more than $20m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing, merchandise and membership then you're living in a fantasy world. They'll have all of southern Brisbane to themselves. Companies will be liking up to sponsor them. They'll make great coin from corporate hospitality because their games will be based at Lang Park. On top of this, they have the infrastructure needed to recruit players and keep them well conditioned at Langlands Park. NRLW games are penned in to be played at Langlands Park this year. Shit on the club all you like if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact they have the stadium, training facilities and corporate appeal to become the second biggest club in the world behind the Broncos. Over time they could even become bigger than the Broncos. The irony is if they were brought in this year then there wouldn't be a need for a third Brisbane team.

Once again, the main pillar of your advocacy is them having access to Lang Park corporate boxes. This is not unique to the Tigers and literally any Brisbane club will have the same.

They will be competing with 2 other big well supported clubs (by your own admission) and a third on their doorstep. One of which has entrenched support in this area.

The Langlands Park is so minor ($10M) that it's irrelevant to an NRL bid discussion.

If they were to become "bigger then the Broncos", then they would clearly be cannibalising them which is the very arguement you always make for Sydney in the negative.
 

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No one said it's illegal to generate revenue from non-football operations.

The point I was making is the North Queensland Cowboys are a more lucrative sporting brand than the Canberra Raiders. The fact remains that the commercial sector is willing to invest more money in the Cowboys than the Raiders because the former has a larger and more parochial supporter base than the latter. It's why the Cowboys generate significantly more money from football operations than the Raiders. Whether you like it or not, revenue from football operations is the best indicator of a club's standing in the community.

The largest and most lucrative brand in club rugby league is the Brisbane Broncos. Their revenue from football operations dwarfs every other club.

Ch9 don't want to cover Raiders games because they have very little market value across the country.



I never said that Raiders fans have a hope in hell of convincing the ARLC to not introduce any more teams in SEQ. I said Raiders fans are afraid of a third Brisbane team because it would make life harder for their side to compete for sponsors and media coverage.

In this thread -- and several others -- there are three Raiders fans death riding the prospect of a third Brisbane team entering the NRL. The vitriol displayed is embarrassing and tiresome.

You're one of those three fans.

When pressed to explain your position you say it's "irrational" to add another team after the Dolphins and then cite America's sporting landscape for some unknown reason. You haven't come up with a genuine reason to not give the 18th licence to the Brisbane Tigers. What you feel isn't a valid reason. I don't give a f**k what you feel.

The broadcasters and ARLC are not against Brisbane receiving the 18th licence. In fact, of all the potential bids, Brisbane 3 has received the most support from the ARLC and broadcasters.

You can't get on your high horse, after calling people wankers and your highly emotional reaction to the BRL's demise that you project onto seemingly every topic, even though you weren't even old enough to experience its hey day.
 

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I don't think the Cowboys get that many more Channel 9 games than the Raiders, if any. There was a time when the Raiders barely had any fta games but they have been awarded more in recent years.
 
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The Raiders are in the most competitive regional sports market in the country, on the other hand the Cowboys have effectively zero direct competitors of any significance.

The only other professional sports club in Canberra is the ACT Brumbies. Rugby union is almost dead in this country. The Giants do take some games to Canberra, but they're a Sydney club. The AFL have taken a few games to North Queensland. There was an A-League and an NBL team in Townsville. There's an NBL team in Cairns.

The Cowboys also get more free publicity through exposure and institutional support from the media and government in Queensland alone than the Raiders could ever dream of.

That's because the Cowboys have strong support in SEQ. There's about 3 million people across SEQ. It's a large market and any team that has support there does will commercially. The Melbourne Storm can thank their strong supporter base in SEQ for being one of the most popular teams over the last 25 years.

At times the ACT government is almost hostile to the Raiders by comparison.

Why do you think that is?

The ACT swings to the radical left. That segment hates rugby league.

The Cowboys have a state of the art stadium with modern facilities.

Only since 2020. For their first 25 years they played at a racetrack the was hurriedly put together. There was nothing fancy or state of the art about Willows.

Meanwhile the Raiders have easily the worst stadium in pro football in Australia outside of the suburban grounds in Sydney, with corporate facilities that were outdated when they were installed 30 years ago, and less corporate boxes and sponsorship hoarding to sell in total than the Cowboys as well.

Willows was no better than Bruce Stadium.

The average price of Raiders memberships is lower for the same reasons and, to a lesser extent, because the competition in the market forces the Raiders prices down to remain competitive.

Their only competition is from the Brumbies. The Giants play a few games there, but it's hardly competition. The Queensland Reds have taken games to Townsville, but I wouldn't call it competition. Wallabies have also played Tests in Townsville.

If the Raiders have to sell their memberships at a lower price then it means their supporters aren't as committed as those from the Cowboys.

In other words, the Raiders have less to sell and they have to sell it cheaper because the quality of the product is worse, and that's almost totally outside of the Raiders control.

Willows was no better than Bruce Stadium.

Not all of us can get the Federal government to build us new stadiums in one of the most blatant cases of pork barrelling in recent times...

For 25 years the Cowboys played out of a converted race track that they had to build with their own money via a loan.

I'm not having a go at them for this, but frankly the Cowboys would struggle if they were forced to swap positions with the Raiders.

The Cowboys generated more revenue than the Raiders from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership when they were based out of Willows.

Neither did the Raiders.

They raided the 1985 Souths Magpies team.

It's pretty weird that you hold a grudge because the NSWRL outcompeted the BRL.

That "grudge" is what makes State of Origin the most lucrative sports product in Australia. The whole concept was created because NSWRL clubs used gaming machine revenue to pillage the BRL from the late 1950s until 1988.. Queensland went from being competitive in the interstate series to having no chance from the 1960s due to the legalisation of gaming machines in NSW in 1956.

It's also weird that you single the Raiders out for particular blame for that.

I'm singling out the Raiders in this thread because three of their supporters are death riding the Brisbane Tigers. We heard it all before in the Dolphins thread back in 2020.

Yeah a lot changed after 2015 lol.

Not really. Cowboys don't have an extra revenue stream to out compete the Raiders. They just make more money from the ones that both clubs have access to.
 
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as someone who has lived in Adelaide since the Rams were a thing…i sadly have to agree with most of this.
that’s not to say it would never work here though…but hard yards would be required.
I prob feel our best chance now would be via relocation.

The Bears are their only hope.
 
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I don't think the Cowboys get that many more Channel 9 games than the Raiders, if any. There was a time when the Raiders barely had any fta games but they have been awarded more in recent years.

Cowboys have 11 on Ch9. Raiders have 8.


Cowboys generate strong ratings in SEQ. Raiders do not generate strong ratings anywhere.
 
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I don't think the Cowboys get that many more Channel 9 games than the Raiders, if any. There was a time when the Raiders barely had any fta games but they have been awarded more in recent years.

Until 2004, the Cowboys had a grand total of 1 live FTA game (their inaugural contest) on C9.

They showed some home games on 2hr delay into NQ, but that was it.
 

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