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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

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Its the same mentality. 'If there isnt a club in my neighbourhood I wont follow the game'. With 2 clubs in Brisbane, neither close to selling out games, there is ample opportunity for any NRL fan in Brisbane to actively follow a club.

What's the likelihood of a rugby league club selling out Lang Park 12 times a year?

The stadium has a capacity of 52,500.

Rugby league clubs don’t generate attendances of 50k on a regular basis.

The Broncos average more than any rugby league club in the world. By some distance, too. The Dolphins are drawing strong attendances at Lang Park.

A third club will provide more content for the broadcasters in a region that only cares about watching local teams. If we want to grow the broadcast rights then we will need to create more content for the SEQ market. Ideally, we would have two games on a Friday night and Sunday afternoon at the same time to cater for the SEQ and Sydney markets.

Logan / Ipswich will have more members & be more lucrative for game than perth

Correct. A Perth based team will be lucky to draw crowds of 15k unless they're as successful on the field as the Storm. They're not going to average 20k in a parochial AFL market that has established competitors, such as the Glory and Force. The Perth Glory and Western Force have struggled on and off the field for the bulk of the last 20 years. Perth Wildcats have been more successful than the Melbourne Storm, both on and off the court. What happens with a Perth-based NRL team will be influenced by their on field results. I think a Perth-based team can work, but there will be challenges it will need to overcome.

In your opinion. And even if does that has nothing at all to do with the argument. Which is brisbane is well serviced already whilst other cities are not.
If you live in brisbane and want to follow nrl become a member of dolphins or broncos, both have capacity to take you.

The difference is Brisbane is a dyed in the wool rugby league city. Adelaide and Perth are not. Heartland cities like Brisbane and Sydney provide the bulk of the game's revenue from broadcast rights. Our game is essentially a two state sport. Limiting Brisbane to a couple of teams so we can prioritise Adelaide and Perth isn't going to generate more revenue for the game. Ratings in Adelaide and Perth will be no stronger than Melbourne. Adding a third team in Brisbane will provide more local content for the SEQ market and generate more money from broadcast rights. The ARLC isn't going to leave money on the table by limiting Brisbane to a couple of teams for the sake of expanding into Adelaide and Perth.

There's a spot for Perth in an 18 or 20 team competition because otf he support from the WA Gov and business community. I'm far from we'll ever see any support for an Adelaide team by the SA Gov and business community. We can expand into Perth and New Zealand without limiting Brisbane to two teams.

Yeah & Brisbane found an extra 40k members across two teams this year. Plenty more fish there..

Dolphins have been a success. For the first time that I can recall they generated a sell out attendance for a regular season NRL game at Lang Park.
 
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and will forever remain so with your mentality.
we need new markets, not keeping going to the same well. Two teams in brisbane is more than enough for the foreseeable future.

The ARLC will only expand the competition to generate more revenue for the game.

Brisbane 3 will generate more revenue than a Perth team from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. It will also create more content for the parochial rugby league community In SEQ. For this reason, the broadcasters will pay more for Brisbane 3 than Perth. Ch9 have already spoken about their desire for a third Brisbane team.

The only way Perth gets in ahead of Brisbane 3 is if the WA Gov negotiates a really sweet deal with the ARLC. A new stadium. Funding the game at the grassroots level. Cheap stadium rental.
 

Pippen94

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The ARLC will only expand the competition to generate more revenue for the game.

Brisbane 3 will generate more revenue than a Perth team from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. It will also create more content for the parochial rugby league community In SEQ. For this reason, the broadcasters will pay more for Brisbane 3 than Perth. Ch9 have already spoken about their desire for a third Brisbane team.

The only way Perth gets in ahead of Brisbane 3 is if the WA Gov negotiates a really sweet deal with the ARLC. A new stadium. Funding the game at the grassroots level. Cheap stadium rental.

Dolphins pretty much destroyed any argument about cannibalizing Brisbane market. Interest & coverage is their to produce another +30k member team..
 
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Dolphins pretty much destroyed any argument about cannibalizing Brisbane market. Interest & coverage is their to produce another +30k member team..

People have used all sorts of dumb arguments against expanding into Brisbane. I've seen Kiwis on other RL forums say Brisbane cannot support a second team because everyone is apparently a Broncos fan.

At this stage I think Brisbane 3 looks more likely than NZ2. There's just no where outside of Auckland that can produce the capital needed to support an NRL club in a small regional country that is dominated by RU.

Auckland cannot support a second club.

This Pasifika crap Is just plain dumb. It has nothing going for it whatsoever. The amount of air travel it will need to put it will be cost prohibitive and bad for player welfare. No one will want to live in PNG. Cairns isn't in a position to support a team. No one in Cairns will turn their back on the Cowboys to sponsor a Pasifika team that has no relevance to the local community.

Perth has a decent chance, but only if the business case stacks up and the WA Gov provides the infrastructure it will need to compete with the other clubs.

The ARLC said the Brisbane Tigers and Ipswich Jets are not out of the running to pick up the 18th licence. Ch9 wants a third Brisbane team. Brisbane Tigers are flush with money and assets. No one can put together a stronger bid than the Brisbane Tigers. The ARLC is a conservative administration and will go with the safest option. That's the Brisbane Tigers.
 

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The ARLC will only expand the competition to generate more revenue for the game.

Brisbane 3 will generate more revenue than a Perth team from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. It will also create more content for the parochial rugby league community In SEQ. For this reason, the broadcasters will pay more for Brisbane 3 than Perth. Ch9 have already spoken about their desire for a third Brisbane team.

The only way Perth gets in ahead of Brisbane 3 is if the WA Gov negotiates a really sweet deal with the ARLC. A new stadium. Funding the game at the grassroots level. Cheap stadium rental.
Ns bears would argue the same argument, you now supporting a tenth team in Sydney’s inclusion??
 
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Ns bears would argue the same argument, you now supporting a tenth team in Sydney’s inclusion??

The poorest clubs in the competition generating the least amount of money from football operations are from Sydney. The richest clubs drawing the most from football operations are from Brisbane. That suggests Sydney is over saturated and Brisbane can support a third team.

Sydney has more than enough teams to generate content for Ch9. Even if the four weekly games that are broadcast on Ch9 in the last few rounds were all-Sydney contests, there would still be one Sydney team that misses out on being televised. At best, only three of those games can feature an SEQ team. Only two can have a Brisbane team.
 

MugaB

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People have used all sorts of dumb arguments against expanding into Brisbane. I've seen Kiwis on other RL forums say Brisbane cannot support a second team because everyone is apparently a Broncos fan.

At this stage I think Brisbane 3 looks more likely than NZ2. There's just no where outside of Auckland that can produce the capital needed to support an NRL club in a small regional country that is dominated by RU.

Auckland cannot support a second club.

This Pasifika crap Is just plain dumb. It has nothing going for it whatsoever. The amount of air travel it will need to put it will be cost prohibitive and bad for player welfare. No one will want to live in PNG. Cairns isn't in a position to support a team. No one in Cairns will turn their back on the Cowboys to sponsor a Pasifika team that has no relevance to the local community.

Perth has a decent chance, but only if the business case stacks up and the WA Gov provides the infrastructure it will need to compete with the other clubs.

The ARLC said the Brisbane Tigers and Ipswich Jets are not out of the running to pick up the 18th licence. Ch9 wants a third Brisbane team. Brisbane Tigers are flush with money and assets. No one can put together a stronger bid than the Brisbane Tigers. The ARLC is a conservative administration and will go with the safest option. That's the Brisbane Tigers.
Biased opinion based entirely on you wanting a 3rd brisbane team on your doorstep
Again all this talk is moot anyways as they aren't going back to brisbane for atleast another 5 years minimum, dolphins are going to need to win the next 4 out of 5 games just to make the finals, plus hope the lower half if the 8 are shortening aswell, yes they were a success for initial memberships crowds and interest, but if they dont stay relevant in the next few years getting close to finals, why then have a 3rd team?
As for channel 9, who gives a f**k what they want, they are so inept, even trying to tank the sport during covid, dont even get me started on the today show crap, if they want a voice at the table theyll need to do better in stumping up better funds, and better promotion and coverage..
The only votes that matter are the 17 clubs, the QRL and NSWRL and the ARLC, thats it... all the media conjecture on who deserves what or which channel prefers what area, is all garbage...
..so the question is whats in it for them?

More money? How? 18th team no matter where its placed. creates more money via upping the deal to sell 9 games instead of 8...automatically, so no.

More players? Which bid will create more players for these clubs and factions to pilfer off of?
WA nope, SA nope, Vic2 nope, NZ2 yes but is there a bid? nope Png yes, Seq4 yes

More derbys to boost surrounding clubs? Dolphins have boosted the South Queensland areas interest into the NRL and ignited fans, crowds, revenue and memberships for Broncos, Titans and the Dolphins.
Which bid area can do this for other clubs?
WA nope, SA nope, VIC2 yes (Storm) NZ2 yes (Warriors) PNG yes (Cowboys)
Bears maybe (depends where it is based)
Easts Tigers maybe (depends where it is based)
and the dolphins aren't entrenched in yet to judge on whether an 18th team would be worthy so soon in SEQ

There are 17 clubs that are not going to vote in same direction, they all get funds from broadcasters, they all make money, they wont vote in a club or bid that drains them of their own athletes, so you can cancel out VIC2 coz thats what the storm has done the past 25 years, WA, SA are n that same boat..
SEQ is fine but they have 3 clubs there now, they wont go back to that well so soon,
NZ2 would be a frontrunner if they existed
PNG is the only area left, and are willing to become a Pacifika style team to base themselves in a safe environment in FNQ, whilst still fifo home games into port moresby, Cairns could never have its own team, but i see no difference between the dolphins in redcliffe for 3 games a year and 9 in suncorp, and Pacifika for 3 games a year in Cairns, and 9 games in Port Moresby
 
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Biased opinion based entirely on you wanting a 3rd brisbane team on your doorstep
Again all this talk is moot anyways as they aren't going back to brisbane for atleast another 5 years minimum, dolphins are going to need to win the next 4 out of 5 games just to make the finals, plus hope the lower half if the 8 are shortening aswell, yes they were a success for initial memberships crowds and interest, but if they dont stay relevant in the next few years getting close to finals, why then have a 3rd team?
As for channel 9, who gives a f**k what they want, they are so inept, even trying to tank the sport during covid, dont even get me started on the today show crap, if they want a voice at the table theyll need to do better in stumping up better funds, and better promotion and coverage..
The only votes that matter are the 17 clubs, the QRL and NSWRL and the ARLC, thats it... all the media conjecture on who deserves what or which channel prefers what area, is all garbage...
..so the question is whats in it for them?

More money? How? 18th team no matter where its placed. creates more money via upping the deal to sell 9 games instead of 8...automatically, so no.

More players? Which bid will create more players for these clubs and factions to pilfer off of?
WA nope, SA nope, Vic2 nope, NZ2 yes but is there a bid? nope Png yes, Seq4 yes

More derbys to boost surrounding clubs? Dolphins have boosted the South Queensland areas interest into the NRL and ignited fans, crowds, revenue and memberships for Broncos, Titans and the Dolphins.
Which bid area can do this for other clubs?
WA nope, SA nope, VIC2 yes (Storm) NZ2 yes (Warriors) PNG yes (Cowboys)
Bears maybe (depends where it is based)
Easts Tigers maybe (depends where it is based)
and the dolphins aren't entrenched in yet to judge on whether an 18th team would be worthy so soon in SEQ

There are 17 clubs that are not going to vote in same direction, they all get funds from broadcasters, they all make money, they wont vote in a club or bid that drains them of their own athletes, so you can cancel out VIC2 coz thats what the storm has done the past 25 years, WA, SA are n that same boat..
SEQ is fine but they have 3 clubs there now, they wont go back to that well so soon,
NZ2 would be a frontrunner if they existed
PNG is the only area left, and are willing to become a Pacifika style team to base themselves in a safe environment in FNQ, whilst still fifo home games into port moresby, Cairns could never have its own team, but i see no difference between the dolphins in redcliffe for 3 games a year and 9 in suncorp, and Pacifika for 3 games a year in Cairns, and 9 games in Port Moresby

The clubs were bitterly upset with V'landys over the dud deal he signed a few years ago. The RLPA are still at loggerheads with the ARLC. The clubs and RLPA worked as a collective to sack Smith and Greenberg when the broadcasters didn't get their way. You can bet your arse that all 17 clubs, the QRL, NSWRL and RLPA will back Brisbane 3 if it leads to more money from the broadcasters.

Abdo told the Ipswich Jets and Brisbane Tigers they're a chance of getting the 18th licence. He wouldn't have said that if the ARLC have no intention of adding a third team in Brisbane by 2028.

A PNG/Pasifika team based in Cairns will have to travel every week. Every other club will only travel once a fortnight.

People from FNQ aren't going to abandon the Cowboys for a PNG/Pasifika team that plays its games in Port Moresby. There's Cowboys fans on this board who are against this abomination of an idea.

Local businesses in FNQ won't sponsor a PNG/Pasifika team because there's bugger all people in those countries with enough disposable income to buy their products/services.

PNGRFL have had links with the Cowboys and QRL for decades. It hasn't amounted to much because the infrastructure in PNG is broken. The only way to get more Papuans into the NRL is by identifying the best U15s and getting them in a system that provides proper coaching and am adequate diet so their growth isn't stunted. Papuans are among the shortest people in the world due to poor nutrition.

There's no guarantee that a ninth game will increase the amount offered by the broadcasters. The broadcasters will pit the clubs/QRL/NSWRL/RLPA against the ARLC to ensure they get what they want from the next deal.
 

MugaB

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The clubs were bitterly upset with V'landys over the dud deal he signed a few years ago. The RLPA are still at loggerheads with the ARLC. The clubs and RLPA worked as a collective to sack Smith and Greenberg when the broadcasters didn't get their way. You can bet your arse that all 17 clubs, the QRL, NSWRL and RLPA will back Brisbane 3 if it leads to more money from the broadcasters.

Abdo told the Ipswich Jets and Brisbane Tigers they're a chance of getting the 18th licence. He wouldn't have said that if the ARLC have no intention of adding a third team in Brisbane by 2028.

A PNG/Pasifika team based in Cairns will have to travel every week. Every other club will only travel once a fortnight.

People from FNQ aren't going to abandon the Cowboys for a PNG/Pasifika team that plays its games in Port Moresby. There's Cowboys fans on this board who are against this abomination of an idea.

Local businesses in FNQ won't sponsor a PNG/Pasifika team because there's bugger all people in those countries with enough disposable income to buy their products/services.

PNGRFL have had links with the Cowboys and QRL for decades. It hasn't amounted to much because the infrastructure in PNG is broken. The only way to get more Papuans into the NRL is by identifying the best U15s and getting them in a system that provides proper coaching and am adequate diet so their growth isn't stunted. Papuans are among the shortest people in the world due to poor nutrition.

There's no guarantee that a ninth game will increase the amount offered by the broadcasters. The broadcasters will pit the clubs/QRL/NSWRL/RLPA against the ARLC to ensure they get what they want from the next deal.
Are you going in circles? None of any of this creates any causation between each other... in the end png wll get a team based in sunny cairns, and youll end up still wondering why?
 
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Are you going in circles? None of any of this creates any causation between each other... in the end png wll get a team based in sunny cairns, and youll end up still wondering why?

I was responding to the opinions you tried to present as facts.

You don’t know who will get the 18th licence. End of story.
 

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