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Don't be silly.
And how could you possibly know all of this?
Ok, ill give you that, im not "sure"
7news.com.au
www.mediaweek.com.au
www.foxsports.com.au
www.foxsports.com.au
wwos.nine.com.au
All quotes mentioned are lip service to media asking which bid they would prefer... they wont say which, maybe they are waiting for the one they really want but are settling for Png/Pasifika.None of the quotes I've cited are "irrelevant". They were from the ARLC's Andrew Abdo, Peter V'landys and Head of Strategy Wide World of Sport (Ch9). They weren't meaningless throw away lines, either. At no stage has the ARLC said the Jets and Tigers won't be considered for the 18th licence. Abdo is on the record saying the Jets and Tigers will be considered for the 18th licence should they bid again.
"Each of (the losing bids) could have justifiably qualified to run a successful NRL team. So we are spoilt for choice," Abdo said."Those considerations we will look at but we have an open mind."We do what's right for the game, and what is right for the growth of the game overall."We need to consider all parts of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific when thinking about expansion."Again it will be data driven, rigorous and for the right reasons."NRL's 17th team a stepping stone to 18
NRL CEO Andrew Abdo has indicated that the competition will eventually expand to 18 teams, with the Dolphins addition as 17th club a "natural stepping stone".
Tigers and Jets will be judged alongside bids from the rest of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific. The one that presents the best case for inclusion will get the licence.
We also have the Head of Strategy WWOS Simon Fordham saying this:
“We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example."The Battle of Brisbane: Behind Nine’s NRL push into Queensland
During the Broncos v Dolphins much hyped NRL clash, Mediaweek caught up with Nine's Kylie Blucher and Simon Fordham.
Nick Politis also believes the 18th team should be from Queensland.
We should have two new clubs in Queensland,”“We need to grow and we need new customers. More eyeballs on TV and more product will bring more revenue from the broadcasters and that’s what we rely on more than anything else.“You do that by increasing the number of clubs, have an extra game and go into new areas.“The three groups bidding to become the 17th team are all financially strong with good business structures. Why turn two of them away?“They should be encouraged to be patient and eventually become the 18th team or we look at an area like Rockhampton.”‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
When V'landys spoke about adding a second team in Brisbane he pointed out that the business case needed to "stack up".
“It has to stack up with a business case, what the Dolphins did is it stacked up,” he explained.“We don’t have to pay tens of millions having that 17th team, in actual fact we generated substantial new revenue from broadcast to have that 17th team. “So it pays for itself without harming any of the other clubs, so if we go for the 18th team, it has to be important that it actually brings benefits.‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
Based on that, we can assume he (and the rest of the ARLC) will want the 18th team to be sustainable from day one.
I could be wrong, but I think Redcliffe's cash reserves and assets helped get them over the line because it provides insurance that can be used to bail them out during hard times. I found a statement on this point in an article on WWOS:
The new franchise satisfied several financial requirements, including being able to produce a bank guarantee of $50 million over the course of the next five years to prove the team will be sustainable moving forward.NRL 'will consider' adding 18th team
Dolphins provide 'stepping stone' for expansion
Of all the potential bids, the only one that has a significant amount of cash reserves and money generating assets (IE pokies) is the Brisbane Tigers.
Perth will have potential investors who might dip their hands into their pockets during rocky times. However, it cannot be overstated that history has shown this model is shaky at best. The Reds didn't have anyone from the Perth business sector willing to bail them out in 1995. It's why they signed with News Ltd. We all remember what happened with Nathan Tinkler at Newcastle.
The Gold Coast Titans were bailed out by Darryl Kelly and Rebecca Frizelle after Michael Searle ran them into debt. The club went into administration, causing Darryl Kelly to lose $5.2 million.
Kelly co-owns Gold Coast Titans again after losing $5m last time around
Former co-owner Darryl Kelly and ex-chair Rebecca Frizelle have been unveiled as the new owners of the Gold Coast Titans.www.smh.com.au
Kelly and Frizelle were eventually given the rights to club. Kelly pumped $7 million into the club's HQ.
This PNG/Pasifika idea is contingent on the Aus Gov throwing about $30-40 million at it per annum for at least 40 years.
That's not a very good business model, is it?
Do you have any evidence that a PNG team based in Cairns will bring new players into the talent pool?
The reason Papuans have struggled to break into the NRL is due to poverty and isolation. Inadequate calorific intake and vitamin deficiency stunts the growth of Papuans. There are very few roads in PNG and no road connection between Port Moresby and the country's other major cities.
Basing a PNG team in Cairns won't help the children playing rugby league in PNG overcome the handicap of having their growth stunted. Nor will it help the PNGRFL identity talent across the country.
How does putting a PNG team in FNQ help the PNGRFL identify the best players not from Port Moresby?
How does it ensure all children playing rugby league in PNG are provided a balanced diet from conception until adulthood?
thats great that these mediocre businessmen want to make money for TV networks... perhaps they should be thinking what's best for Rugby League though?None of the quotes I've cited are "irrelevant". They were from the ARLC's Andrew Abdo, Peter V'landys and Head of Strategy Wide World of Sport (Ch9). They weren't meaningless throw away lines, either. At no stage has the ARLC said the Jets and Tigers won't be considered for the 18th licence. Abdo is on the record saying the Jets and Tigers will be considered for the 18th licence should they bid again.
"Each of (the losing bids) could have justifiably qualified to run a successful NRL team. So we are spoilt for choice," Abdo said."Those considerations we will look at but we have an open mind."We do what's right for the game, and what is right for the growth of the game overall."We need to consider all parts of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific when thinking about expansion."Again it will be data driven, rigorous and for the right reasons."NRL's 17th team a stepping stone to 18
NRL CEO Andrew Abdo has indicated that the competition will eventually expand to 18 teams, with the Dolphins addition as 17th club a "natural stepping stone".
Tigers and Jets will be judged alongside bids from the rest of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific. The one that presents the best case for inclusion will get the licence.
We also have the Head of Strategy WWOS Simon Fordham saying this:
“We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example."The Battle of Brisbane: Behind Nine’s NRL push into Queensland
During the Broncos v Dolphins much hyped NRL clash, Mediaweek caught up with Nine's Kylie Blucher and Simon Fordham.
Nick Politis also believes the 18th team should be from Queensland.
We should have two new clubs in Queensland,”“We need to grow and we need new customers. More eyeballs on TV and more product will bring more revenue from the broadcasters and that’s what we rely on more than anything else.“You do that by increasing the number of clubs, have an extra game and go into new areas.“The three groups bidding to become the 17th team are all financially strong with good business structures. Why turn two of them away?“They should be encouraged to be patient and eventually become the 18th team or we look at an area like Rockhampton.”‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
When V'landys spoke about adding a second team in Brisbane he pointed out that the business case needed to "stack up".
“It has to stack up with a business case, what the Dolphins did is it stacked up,” he explained.“We don’t have to pay tens of millions having that 17th team, in actual fact we generated substantial new revenue from broadcast to have that 17th team. “So it pays for itself without harming any of the other clubs, so if we go for the 18th team, it has to be important that it actually brings benefits.‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
Based on that, we can assume he (and the rest of the ARLC) will want the 18th team to be sustainable from day one.
I could be wrong, but I think Redcliffe's cash reserves and assets helped get them over the line because it provides insurance that can be used to bail them out during hard times. I found a statement on this point in an article on WWOS:
The new franchise satisfied several financial requirements, including being able to produce a bank guarantee of $50 million over the course of the next five years to prove the team will be sustainable moving forward.NRL 'will consider' adding 18th team
Dolphins provide 'stepping stone' for expansion
Of all the potential bids, the only one that has a significant amount of cash reserves and money generating assets (IE pokies) is the Brisbane Tigers.
Perth will have potential investors who might dip their hands into their pockets during rocky times. However, it cannot be overstated that history has shown this model is shaky at best. The Reds didn't have anyone from the Perth business sector willing to bail them out in 1995. It's why they signed with News Ltd. We all remember what happened with Nathan Tinkler at Newcastle.
The Gold Coast Titans were bailed out by Darryl Kelly and Rebecca Frizelle after Michael Searle ran them into debt. The club went into administration, causing Darryl Kelly to lose $5.2 million.
Kelly co-owns Gold Coast Titans again after losing $5m last time around
Former co-owner Darryl Kelly and ex-chair Rebecca Frizelle have been unveiled as the new owners of the Gold Coast Titans.
Kelly and Frizelle were eventually given the rights to club. Kelly pumped $7 million into the club's HQ.
This PNG/Pasifika idea is contingent on the Aus Gov throwing about $30-40 million at it per annum for at least 40 years.
That's not a very good business model, is it?
Do you have any evidence that a PNG team based in Cairns will bring new players into the talent pool?
The reason Papuans have struggled to break into the NRL is due to poverty and isolation. Inadequate calorific intake and vitamin deficiency stunts the growth of Papuans. There are very few roads in PNG and no road connection between Port Moresby and the country's other major cities.
Basing a PNG team in Cairns won't help the children playing rugby league in PNG overcome the handicap of having their growth stunted. Nor will it help the PNGRFL identity talent across the country.
How does putting a PNG team in FNQ help the PNGRFL identify the best players not from Port Moresby?
How does it ensure all children playing rugby league in PNG are provided a balanced diet from conception until adulthood?
None of the quotes I've cited are "irrelevant". They were from the ARLC's Andrew Abdo, Peter V'landys and Head of Strategy Wide World of Sport (Ch9). They weren't meaningless throw away lines, either. At no stage has the ARLC said the Jets and Tigers won't be considered for the 18th licence. Abdo is on the record saying the Jets and Tigers will be considered for the 18th licence should they bid again.
"Each of (the losing bids) could have justifiably qualified to run a successful NRL team. So we are spoilt for choice," Abdo said."Those considerations we will look at but we have an open mind."We do what's right for the game, and what is right for the growth of the game overall."We need to consider all parts of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific when thinking about expansion."Again it will be data driven, rigorous and for the right reasons."NRL's 17th team a stepping stone to 18
NRL CEO Andrew Abdo has indicated that the competition will eventually expand to 18 teams, with the Dolphins addition as 17th club a "natural stepping stone".
Tigers and Jets will be judged alongside bids from the rest of Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific. The one that presents the best case for inclusion will get the licence.
We also have the Head of Strategy WWOS Simon Fordham saying this:
“We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example."The Battle of Brisbane: Behind Nine’s NRL push into Queensland
During the Broncos v Dolphins much hyped NRL clash, Mediaweek caught up with Nine's Kylie Blucher and Simon Fordham.
Nick Politis also believes the 18th team should be from Queensland.
We should have two new clubs in Queensland,”“We need to grow and we need new customers. More eyeballs on TV and more product will bring more revenue from the broadcasters and that’s what we rely on more than anything else.“You do that by increasing the number of clubs, have an extra game and go into new areas.“The three groups bidding to become the 17th team are all financially strong with good business structures. Why turn two of them away?“They should be encouraged to be patient and eventually become the 18th team or we look at an area like Rockhampton.”‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
‘Two new QLD clubs’: Reason 18-team NRL competition is gathering momentum
When V'landys spoke about adding a second team in Brisbane he pointed out that the business case needed to "stack up".
“It has to stack up with a business case, what the Dolphins did is it stacked up,” he explained.“We don’t have to pay tens of millions having that 17th team, in actual fact we generated substantial new revenue from broadcast to have that 17th team. “So it pays for itself without harming any of the other clubs, so if we go for the 18th team, it has to be important that it actually brings benefits.‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
‘We have to expand’: Perth, NZ floated as V’landys reveals plans for 18th NRL team
Based on that, we can assume he (and the rest of the ARLC) will want the 18th team to be sustainable from day one.
I could be wrong, but I think Redcliffe's cash reserves and assets helped get them over the line because it provides insurance that can be used to bail them out during hard times. I found a statement on this point in an article on WWOS:
The new franchise satisfied several financial requirements, including being able to produce a bank guarantee of $50 million over the course of the next five years to prove the team will be sustainable moving forward.NRL 'will consider' adding 18th team
Dolphins provide 'stepping stone' for expansion
Of all the potential bids, the only one that has a significant amount of cash reserves and money generating assets (IE pokies) is the Brisbane Tigers.
Perth will have potential investors who might dip their hands into their pockets during rocky times. However, it cannot be overstated that history has shown this model is shaky at best. The Reds didn't have anyone from the Perth business sector willing to bail them out in 1995. It's why they signed with News Ltd. We all remember what happened with Nathan Tinkler at Newcastle.
The Gold Coast Titans were bailed out by Darryl Kelly and Rebecca Frizelle after Michael Searle ran them into debt. The club went into administration, causing Darryl Kelly to lose $5.2 million.
Kelly co-owns Gold Coast Titans again after losing $5m last time around
Former co-owner Darryl Kelly and ex-chair Rebecca Frizelle have been unveiled as the new owners of the Gold Coast Titans.
Kelly and Frizelle were eventually given the rights to club. Kelly pumped $7 million into the club's HQ.
This PNG/Pasifika idea is contingent on the Aus Gov throwing about $30-40 million at it per annum for at least 40 years.
That's not a very good business model, is it?
Do you have any evidence that a PNG team based in Cairns will bring new players into the talent pool?
The reason Papuans have struggled to break into the NRL is due to poverty and isolation. Inadequate calorific intake and vitamin deficiency stunts the growth of Papuans. There are very few roads in PNG and no road connection between Port Moresby and the country's other major cities.
Basing a PNG team in Cairns won't help the children playing rugby league in PNG overcome the handicap of having their growth stunted. Nor will it help the PNGRFL identity talent across the country.
How does putting a PNG team in FNQ help the PNGRFL identify the best players not from Port Moresby?
How does it ensure all children playing rugby league in PNG are provided a balanced diet from conception until adulthood?
What you call effort i call "potato"
If expansion was just about "How can we do this in the most affordable way?", then yes - Brisbane 3 would be a dead-cert.
Png feel good factor, comes with readily available athletes who all play the game, that are far superior to anything WA has got currently, and if NZ2 had a bid in Wellington, Auckland2 or Christchurch then I'd agree that would definitely be the frontrunner, but that hasn't come to pass yet, unless the bears are seriously looking at NZFair point, and yes it IS a temptation to talk up bids from one's own backyard - especially if that location doesn't currently have an NRL team.
However, setting aside that angle the proponents of Brisbane 3 and Perth here have good points - and in comparing the two, it's almost like the strength of one is the weakness of the other.
If expansion was just about "How can we do this in the most affordable way?", then yes - Brisbane 3 would be a dead-cert.
Problem is, Greater Brisbane has only just had an NRL team added - after having to allay concerns about impact on Titans & Broncos. The NRL was able to navigate that, but I'm not sure if they have the will to run down that path so soon again.
Which would presumably leave NZ 2, Perth, PNG & the Pacific.
As much as PNG & the Pacific have that "feel good" factor, and can bring up a pathway for a junior pool, the money remains a question mark, and it's uncharted territory for the NRL as to how to make the logistics & funding work.
For me it probably comes down to NZ 2 & Perth for team 18 - and to be honest the huge population, new timezone & fact that it's a completely unrepresented market (presently) that won't risk cannibalizing an existing NRL team's supporter base just tips the equation to Perth.
That being said, I wouldn't say no to a Wellington team if the NRL go that way.
New Zealand Bears 9 games in North Sydney Oval 3 games New Zealand. Don't trust the wounded Bears.
One of the concerns for me is that we haven't seen much of that raw talent converted to NRL first graders thus far.. now, you could argue that having a team based in PNG would help - giving local talent an option to stay in their country, but that opens up logistical challenges in basing the team there.
5 in Wellington, 5 in Christchurch, 2 at SFS, trials at NSO
Hasn't WA produced more NRL players over the last 20 years than the PNGRFL?
I think the PNG/Pasifika talk by the ARLC and media is all bluff. The logistical and financial trouble it will cause is the reason it must be shut down. Super Rugby has a Fijian team getting flogged in front of tiny crowds. That's pretty much the fate of a PNG/Pasifika team. People in PNG will get sick of paying what little money they have on seeing their team get beaten by 40 points every game. If the ARLC does include PNG/Pasifika then it's inviting problems and deserves all the issues it will cause.Fair point, and yes it IS a temptation to talk up bids from one's own backyard - especially if that location doesn't currently have an NRL team.
However, setting aside that angle the proponents of Brisbane 3 and Perth here have good points - and in comparing the two, it's almost like the strength of one is the weakness of the other.
If expansion was just about "How can we do this in the most affordable way?", then yes - Brisbane 3 would be a dead-cert.
Problem is, Greater Brisbane has only just had an NRL team added - after having to allay concerns about impact on Titans & Broncos. The NRL was able to navigate that, but I'm not sure if they have the will to run down that path so soon again.
Which would presumably leave NZ 2, Perth, PNG & the Pacific.
As much as PNG & the Pacific have that "feel good" factor, and can bring up a pathway for a junior pool, the money remains a question mark, and it's uncharted territory for the NRL as to how to make the logistics & funding work.
For me it probably comes down to NZ 2 & Perth for team 18 - and to be honest the huge population, new timezone & fact that it's a completely unrepresented market (presently) that won't risk cannibalizing an existing NRL team's supporter base just tips the equation to Perth.
That being said, I wouldn't say no to a Wellington team if the NRL go that way.
How can you be so certain, hahahahaha
Yeah, good points made here - we can already see Super Rugby grappling with the issues inherent with Pacific expansion options, is the NRL's risk appetite up to it? REALLY up to it?
FTA didn't even pay for the dolphins, they aren't going to pay for another team, maybe they'll pay for more content
That's a good point, and I imagine if adding a 9th game means an additional game for FTA - then relevant questions may be "What timeslot do we add to FTA, and what geographical location favors it?"
