Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[jim_57]

I'd be happy with that. It would secure SEQ as an impregnable rugby league market.

Don't get me wrong, part of me hopes Perth gets the 18th licence. There's a genuine desire in Perth for a team. It's an organic movement, too. It's the contrived boardroom crap that led to the creation of the GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns. But I also want the Brisbane Tigers to get he licence so we can make it even harder for our competitors to gain any marketshare in SEQ.

If we get a team in Perth, one in Wellington and the Brisbane Tigers/Jets then we will have a footprint that is the envy of Super Rugby and a blow to AwFuL's expansion into the northern states. The last thing AwFuL and Super Rugby want to see is more competition in the SEQ market for their struggling teams. Super Rugby will be up shit creek without a paddle if the West Coast Pirates become a reality.

A team in New Zealand's capital will provide more opportunities for talent that aren't snapped up by the All Blacks. It won't hurt NZRU, but it will help our game gain some marketshare in NZ.

It will suck not having a team in Adelaide, but it won't be the end of the world. If AwFuL had to choose between having either Adelaide or SEQ as a fumbleball stronghold then they would choose the latter. We've got SEQ as a RL stronghold and now we're in a position to widen the gap between us and them.

Ultimately it’s a great position to be with plenty of options. Say for instance the 3 you suggested get the next 3 teams that would still leave PNG, Adelaide, Christchurch/South Island, Auckland 2, Waikato, CQ, Central Coast, Melbourne 2, Sunshine Coast etc as options if the NRL ever looks to expand past 20 teams or if circumstances change and relocation becomes a chance again.

 

[flippikat]

I'd be happy with that. It would secure SEQ as an impregnable rugby league market.

Don't get me wrong, part of me hopes Perth gets the 18th licence. There's a genuine desire in Perth for a team. It's an organic movement, too. It's the contrived boardroom crap that led to the creation of the GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns. But I also want the Brisbane Tigers to get he licence so we can make it even harder for our competitors to gain any marketshare in SEQ.

If we get a team in Perth, one in Wellington and the Brisbane Tigers/Jets then we will have a footprint that is the envy of Super Rugby and a blow to AwFuL's expansion into the northern states. The last thing AwFuL and Super Rugby want to see is more competition in the SEQ market for their struggling teams. Super Rugby will be up shit creek without a paddle if the West Coast Pirates become a reality.

A team in New Zealand's capital will provide more opportunities for talent that aren't snapped up by the All Blacks. It won't hurt NZRU, but it will help our game gain some marketshare in NZ.

It will suck not having a team in Adelaide, but it won't be the end of the world. If AwFuL had to choose between having either Adelaide or SEQ as a fumbleball stronghold then they would choose the latter. We've got SEQ as a RL stronghold and now we're in a position to widen the gap between us and them.

If the next 3 teams are Perth, NZ2 & Brisbane 3 (Ideally Brisbane Easts working in with Western corridor/Ipswich), then yeah.. it means a really good footprint.

Adelaide would still need some attention - and I forsee it being something like what's happening with Perth now.. putting on games there once or twice a year, getting into developing grass roots etc etc..

The question then becomes whether 20 becomes 22 to accommodate Adelaide (plus some other strategically important location.. NZ3?) or if relocation/replacement is preferable to keep the competition size at 20.

 

[flippikat]

Bring it on.

A merged bid makes sense, NRL will want some Western representation for the next Brisbane team if/when that happens.

Cool design - and a distinctive look. I imagine an inverse (2/3rds green) would be the alternate?

 

[jim_57]

Cool design - and a distinctive look. I imagine an inverse (2/3rds green) would be the alternate?

That was a Jets “mining” jersey but it fits the colour scheme perfectly except for maybe the grey/silver. Looks pretty good. Probably just play around with as needed for away/alternative jerseys, white as a trim colour, definitely distinctive.

 

[The Great Dane]

The odds of the ARLC revoking the Wests Tigers' licence are as slim as the chance of them spending a cent on establishing a club in Adelaide.

Aside from the annual grant and money they should be investing into sorely neglected grassroots anyway, the ARLC wouldn't have to spend any significant amounts of money on establishing a club in Adelaide if they didn't want to. . . You either have a very low opinion of the sport's appeal as a product, or you're incredibility ignorant, if you truly believe that a city the size of Adelaide couldn't support an NRL side.

At least initially an Adelaide side probably wouldn't be amongst the biggest in the league, but A. that's an unrealistic standard for success and B. it'd be sustainable and it'd slowly grow assuming good management.

Look, I think the odds of Adelaide getting a club any time soon are slim at best, but that doesn't mean that is right or just. Outside of something totally unpredictable happening, if the NRL are serious about expansion and genuinely growing the sport's profile and reach, the next three clubs should, in no particular order, be from Perth, Adelaide, and NZ.
Unfortunately the NRL doesn't seem to be serious about expansion and genuine growth, and is significantly more interested in short term booms and keeping some of it's nosier stakeholders happy.

@The Great Dane gets very irate when people don't advocate for a team in Adelaide. I've seen him rip into @Perth Red for pointing out that Adelaide is light years behind Perth. Everything @Perth Red said is quantitatively true. There was no need for @The Great Dane to attack him for speaking the truth.

Could you please stop suggesting that I'm getting emotional simply because you disagree with what I have to say. It's just pathetic projection.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Aside from the annual grant and money they should be investing into sorely neglected grassroots anyway, the ARLC wouldn't have to spend any significant amounts of money on establishing a club in Adelaide if they didn't want to. . . You either have a very low opinion of the sport's appeal as a product, or you're incredibility ignorant, if you truly believe that a city the size of Adelaide couldn't support an NRL side.

Where do you think an Adelaide club will get the $30m it will need each year?

That's the budget for a smaller team. The smallest teams operated on $23.6m in 2019. It's increased since then. The other day it was reported to be at least $30m.

We know that $17-18m will come from the annual grant. That leaves a $13m hole that needs to be filled with revenue generated football operations. There won't be a licenced club full of pokies to fall back on.

Revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality will be lucky to hit $5m in a city that doesn't give a f**k about the game.

Bulldogs and Sharks only generated $5.6m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in 2019.

Do you think an Adelaide team will generate more revenue than the Bulldogs and Sharks from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?

Bulldogs and Sharks generated $2.2m and 2.8m from ticketing and membership in 2019.

Good luck getting that from Hindmarsh Stadium. It has terrible facilities.

Recent attendances at Hindmarsh Stadium have hovered around 13.5k for the FIFA women's world cup. The A-League semi-final pulled 15k. An A-League elimination final pulled just 10k. A regular season A-League game generated 15k, but most hovered around 10k.

Soccer has a supporterbase in Adelaide. Rugby league does not.

Coopers Stadium Crowds (Hindmarsh Stadium) | Austadiums

View a list of recent crowds and highest attendances for sports events at Coopers Stadium.

www.austadiums.com

At least initially an Adelaide side probably wouldn't be amongst the biggest in the league, but A. that's an unrealistic standard for success and B. it'd be sustainable and it'd slowly grow assuming good management.

For that to hold true then it will need to generate about $13m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership. That's almost twice as much than the Bulldogs and Sharks generated in 2019.

Do you have any evidence that an Adelaide NRL club can generate $13m or more from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership?

If not then your accusation of ignorance is projection on your behalf.

 

[Perth Red]

Where do you think an Adelaide club will get the $30m it will need each year?

That's the budget for a smaller team. The smallest teams operated on $23.6m in 2019. It's increased since then. The other day it was reported to be at least $30m.

We know that $17-18m will come from the annual grant. That leaves a $13m hole that needs to be filled with revenue generated football operations. There won't be a licenced club full of pokies to fall back on.

Revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality will be lucky to hit $5m in a city that doesn't give a f**k about the game.

Bulldogs and Sharks only generated $5.6m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in 2019.

Do you think an Adelaide team will generate more revenue than the Bulldogs and Sharks from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?

Bulldogs and Sharks generated $2.2m and 2.8m from ticketing and membership in 2019.

Good luck getting that from Hindmarsh Stadium. It has terrible facilities.

Recent attendances at Hindmarsh Stadium have hovered around 13.5k for the FIFA women's world cup. The A-League semi-final pulled 15k. An A-League elimination final pulled just 10k. A regular season A-League game generated 15k, but most hovered around 10k.

Soccer has a supporterbase in Adelaide. Rugby league does not.

Coopers Stadium Crowds (Hindmarsh Stadium) | Austadiums

View a list of recent crowds and highest attendances for sports events at Coopers Stadium.

www.austadiums.com

For that to hold true then it will need to generate about $13m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership. That's almost twice as much than the Bulldogs and Sharks generated in 2019.

Do you have any evidence that an Adelaide NRL club can generate $13m or more from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership?

If not then your accusation of ignorance is projection on your behalf.

It’s be interesting to know what clubs spend $13mill a year plus on? Cap is $12mill, football cap $5mill.
so on $30mill revenue that still leaves $13mill expenses.

Stadium hire for most clubs would take up $1.5-2mill ish.
So that leaves $11mill.
Corporate hosting costs, merch purchasing, membership team. What else are clubs throwing millions at?

 

[MugaB]

It’s be interesting to know what clubs spend $13mill a year plus on? Cap is $12mill, football cap $5mill.
so on $30mill revenue that still leaves $13mill expenses.

Stadium hire for most clubs would take up $1.5-2mill ish.
So that leaves $11mill.
Corporate hosting costs, merch purchasing, membership team. What else are clubs throwing millions at?

Still have fulltime people running the club in all positions to pay, im not talking about the actual football staff cap

 

[Perth Red]

Still have fulltime people rnning the club in all positions to pay, im not talking about the actual football staff cap

Yeh I get that but $11mill? My last company had around 100 staff and an operating revenue of around that much.

 

[Brian potter]

Brisbane. Perth. Wellington. That's my pick for the next three teams.

Agree with this apart from wellington.

from what I’ve heard from kiwis about wellington is that compared to other cities and towns in New Zealand it’s not as much of a sports mad city plus the cake tin is a horrible venue and because of this I would instead opt for a South Island/Christchurch team.

apparently the rivalry between Auckland and Christchurch/Canterbury is pretty intense and the South Island/Christchurch team could be based and play the majority of their home games at the old rugby league park which has a capacity of around 18k as well as take 2-3 games to the new Te Kaha stadium possibly their season opening home game and a home game against the warriors and maybe the broncos.

 

[MugaB]

Yeh I get that but $11mill? My last company had around 100 staff and an operating revenue of around that much.

Id say after that is profit, they are allowed to keep that cash, they are the product after all

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Yeh I get that but $11mill? My last company had around 100 staff and an operating revenue of around that much.

I bet your last company wasn't an NRL team, lol.

 

[MugaB]

I bet your last company wasn't an NRL team, lol.

He has been everywhere man

 

[flippikat]

Agree with this apart from wellington.

from what I’ve heard from kiwis about wellington is that compared to other cities and towns in New Zealand it’s not as much of a sports mad city plus the cake tin is a horrible venue and because of this I would instead opt for a South Island/Christchurch team.

apparently the rivalry between Auckland and Christchurch/Canterbury is pretty intense and the South Island/Christchurch team could be based and play the majority of their home games at the old rugby league park which has a capacity of around 18k as well as take 2-3 games to the new Te Kaha stadium possibly their season opening home game and a home game against the warriors and maybe the broncos.

There are a lot of pros and cons with Wellington vs Christchurch as a base for NZ 2 - you're right in identifying Christchurch as a naturally more sports-inclined city, and the rivalry with Auckland (north v south, urban vs big rural catchment, pacific-facing vs anglophile) is real & huge... and the Te Kaha covered rectangular stadium is just ripe for that 8pm Friday Night (NZ) 6pm (Sydney) timeslot.

The big problem is the huge presence of the Crusaders there. They dominate the Autumn/early winter there.

 

[Vee]

Bring it on.

A merged bid makes sense, NRL will want some Western representation for the next Brisbane team if/when that happens.

The East's Western Corridor Construction Workers.

 

[Canard]

To be fair, most of the hostility is instigated by @The Great Dane, @mongoose and @MugaB.

@The Great Dane gets very irate when people don't advocate for a team in Adelaide. I've seen him rip into @Perth Red for pointing out that Adelaide is light years behind Perth. Everything @Perth Red said is quantitatively true. There was no need for @The Great Dane to attack him for speaking the truth.

@mongoose thinks the Broncos and News Ltd have the controlling vote over expansion. He doesn't realise the ARLC is set up in a way to prevent one club from overriding everyone else. He also thinks it'll take another 25 years for News Ltd to give their blessing for a third Brisbane team. He bases this on no other reason than it took 25 years to get from one to two.

@MugaB is just an angry dyslexic troll. I remember him talking up the Bears as the 18th licence at one stage. Now it's a PNG team that's based in Cairns and flies all over Polynesia and Melanesia, drawing terrible crowds and getting flogged every week like the Fijian team in Super Rugby. The only reason he's behind this PNG proposal is to stir up @Perth Red and me.

This is immature childish vitriol from an overly sensitive dickhead.

 

[Canard]

Where do you think an Adelaide club will get the $30m it will need each year?

That's the budget for a smaller team. The smallest teams operated on $23.6m in 2019. It's increased since then. The other day it was reported to be at least $30m.

We know that $17-18m will come from the annual grant. That leaves a $13m hole that needs to be filled with revenue generated football operations. There won't be a licenced club full of pokies to fall back on.

Revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality will be lucky to hit $5m in a city that doesn't give a f**k about the game.

Bulldogs and Sharks only generated $5.6m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in 2019.

Do you think an Adelaide team will generate more revenue than the Bulldogs and Sharks from sponsorship and corporate hospitality?

Bulldogs and Sharks generated $2.2m and 2.8m from ticketing and membership in 2019.

Good luck getting that from Hindmarsh Stadium. It has terrible facilities.

Recent attendances at Hindmarsh Stadium have hovered around 13.5k for the FIFA women's world cup. The A-League semi-final pulled 15k. An A-League elimination final pulled just 10k. A regular season A-League game generated 15k, but most hovered around 10k.

Soccer has a supporterbase in Adelaide. Rugby league does not.

Coopers Stadium Crowds (Hindmarsh Stadium) | Austadiums

View a list of recent crowds and highest attendances for sports events at Coopers Stadium.

www.austadiums.com

For that to hold true then it will need to generate about $13m from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership. That's almost twice as much than the Bulldogs and Sharks generated in 2019.

Do you have any evidence that an Adelaide NRL club can generate $13m or more from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership?

If not then your accusation of ignorance is projection on your behalf.

So isn't your position that without pokies the game can't expand outside NSW and QLD?

The Tigers only redeeming factor (having a big pokie den that bleeds money from people) is now suddenly a big positive.

 

[MugaB]

So isn't your position that without pokies the game can't expand outside NSW and QLD?

The Tigers only redeeming factor (having a big pokie den that bleeds money from people) is now suddenly a big positive.

Whatever gets logan a team

 

[mongoose]

This is immature childish vitriol from an overly sensitive dickhead.

he's deranged, 12 months ago he was arguing strongly for Perth and Adelaide and even places like freakin Singapore and now he's against them and insists for more QLD teams. He can't seem to cope with other people not wanting Brisbane as the 18th team. Instead of debating maturely he resorts to childish and petty attacks against the Raiders and the city of Canberra. We don't want another Brisbane team cause we are jealous they will be more successful than the Raiders? for f**k sake... He then digs up some post i made 3 years ago, which wasn't serious, just a conspiracy theory I threw out there and he's arguing against it as if that's my current position on expansion.

 

[Wb1234]

Love this bitchiness guys

keep this up

anyone else want some buttered popcorn