Brisbane2 Bid News

[Mr Angry]

Albion, really?

Not a fan of the way this bid is turning out.

It is where Davos office is, that is all.

 

[Quidgybo]

If they play out of Suncorp, does it really matter where they are "based"?

Well exactly. Same for the Ipswich bid. If they play 11 or 12 home games out of Suncorp then it is another Suncorp side regardless of whether they're called Brisbane, South Queensland, Ipswich or Logan. To me the only substantive difference between the Brisbane2 and Ipswich bids is the business side of it - the financial structure and business accumen of those running the show.

Leigh.

 

[Goddo]

It is where Davos office is, that is all.

That makes sense then.

 

[Goddo]

Well exactly. Same for the Ipswich bid. If they play 11 or 12 home games out of Suncorp then it is another Suncorp side regardless of whether they're called Brisbane, South Queensland, Ipswich or Logan. To me the only substantive difference between the Brisbane2 and Ipswich bids is the business side of it - the financial structure and business accumen of those running the show.

Leigh.

It does matter in the sense that geography influences identity, the types of fans trying to attract... the things people identify with the club.

look at the Bulldogs and Souths sharing ANZ. You could say they are the same cookie cutter club playing in a big stadium. Or any of the AFL teams, Particularily those in Perth.

What seperates clubs from soul-less franchises is that identity. Where this bid puts down its roots is important in that regard, even if they are playing at the same stadium as the Broncos.

 

[Patorick]

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Brad Walter is fast taking over Weidler as Mundine/Nasser's main media lackey. Stooge, if you will. Very dissapoinitng.

 

[Quidgybo]

It does matter in the sense that geography influences identity, the types of fans trying to attract... the things people identify with the club.

In the case of a new franchise, which is exactly what both these will be, the visible geography will Suncorp; the identity could be any of Brisbane, South Queensland, Ipswich, Logan or something else entirely; the type of fans that the club wants to attract will be decided by the marketing department and will influence the identity they choose. The major difference is the faces behind each bid and how they propose to structure the finances. That's the bid. That's what the NRL will be left with to choose between. Everything else is either the same or entirely interchangeable.

look at the Bulldogs and Souths sharing ANZ. You could say they are the same cookie cutter club playing in a big stadium. Or any of the AFL teams, Particularily those in Perth.

But we're not looking at the Bulldogs or Souths. Clubs with decades of history and legions of fans long before the game became profitable. We're looking at two bids for a multi million dollar franchise who will, if granted a license, choose an identity that gives their business the best chance to be successful. And who will locate their offices and training base in whatever area of Greater Brisbane that gives their business the best chance to be successful.

What seperates clubs from soul-less franchises is that identity. Where this bid puts down its roots is important in that regard, even if they are playing at the same stadium as the Broncos.

And either bid could yet choose a struggle street working class identity or choose a glamour super star identity. And either bid could pick up its office the day after winning the license and move it to any part of town that supports the chosen identity. Either way it's just marketing.

Leigh

 

[Green Machine]

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Brad Walter is fast taking over Weidler as Mundine/Nasser's main media lackey. Stooge, if you will. Very dissapoinitng.

He's been doing it for a while. Makes him look stupid talking up the Team Mundine stable,

 

[otori]

Be kind of cool to have both a red and grey kangaroo team though the reds sounds a lot better than the Greys.

 

[Mark Rudd]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but I just see on Foxsports news that the B2 bid already have some big playes in line to sign up. Including chasing Quad Cooper, and Hunt and Folou.

Interesting.

 

[Green Machine]

Any recruitment plan that relies on union talent sounds too much like the Crushers Mk II

 

[Beowulf]

Interesting that the biggest threat to this bid according to the SMH is the Western Coridor (Ipswich-Logan) Jets.

More to the point, according to Brad Walter! No secret he and Greg Pritchard aren't Bear fans. Luckily for the Bears, neither appear to have made the cut for the IC!

 

[Beowulf]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but I just see on Foxsports news that the B2 bid already have some big playes in line to sign up. Including chasing Quad Cooper, and Hunt and Folou.

Interesting.

This was all mentioned months ago in their wishlist, along with Wayne Bennett. Must be a slow news day. I'm sure Perth and CQ have wishlists, and I know the Bears already have a few players ready and waiting.

 

[joshreading]

Any recruitment plan that relies on union talent sounds too much like the Crushers Mk II

I had no idea the Crushers were trying to sign Unions best half or ex Rugby League super stars.

I actually think NRL Clubs need to get together (including whoever is approved for the new teams) and agree to bring Union down in Australia by picking the eyes out of its slim talent base (not to say there aren't some good players just not many following them up)

The new NRL Clubs should be told that they have to sign half their 25 from outside the NRL - whether Super League or Union or AFL for that matter. That half of the squad would have NO SALARY CAP for the first 3 years. They would then have half of the normal salary cap (eg. 3 million of a normal 6million potentially) to sign the other half from within NRL circles.

This would help in raiding Union, getting back some talent from Super League (which helps with profile/talent) but also helps in that they don't just go for NRL Talent from other clubs weakening the competition as a whole.

 

[RHCP]

No team should ever be allowed to be over the salary cap. I'm all for concessions - but to blatantly bust the cap just to weaken Union is a prepoesterous idea. Don't know how it could be supported.

Maybe it's just a Melbourne thing.

 

[joshreading]

The point of the Salary Cap is to create an even playing field and to ensure the financial stability of Clubs.

So long as those two ideals stay in place, the betterment of the game and competition is worth more than a concession or two for a time.

New Clubs coming in do two things, they thin out the talent base and can see present clubs stumble as they lose key players.

We are held back by a backward socialist ideal that stems from our blue collar background. Some how we have to keep every at the level of the lowest clubs not create avenues to see all Clubs as super clubs by today's standards. No tall poppies.

I am not saying this for my Club (though concessions should've been given) but for new clubs. This idea helps the continuing strength of the entire competition, increasing our profile as a sport in general (we should sign a South African Super Star) and puts us as the sport and competition with the momentum not others.

Perception is everything and at present we are perceived as backwards, defensive and protectionist because in many ways we are. That must change. We have the greatest sport and we need to act like it.

 

[legend]

If under the IC new clubs are granted licences then the existing clubs should have to ante up at least two players from their top 25 as it would be mutually beneficial to ensure new clubs are at least competitive from the outset.

Obviouslyt each new club will have thier marquee signings but an even distribution of talent would ensure a solid birth for both clubs until their NYC teams are truly competitive. No salary cap concessions or exemptions but assistance from the existing infrastructure to ensure the game grows and becomes more valuable. It's a win/win for all concerned.

As a Raiders fan I would give up Alan Tongue and Matt Orford. ;-)

 

[Mr Angry]

As a Raiders fan I would give up Alan Tongue

skeepe will now eat your first born.

 

[legend]

I'm Skeepe in disguise!

 

[carlosthedwarf]

If under the IC new clubs are granted licences then the existing clubs should have to ante up at least two players from their top 25 as it would be mutually beneficial to ensure new clubs are at least competitive from the outset.

You'd have to have an expansion draft to ensure they end up on the new teams. Sadly that's a dirty word in league circles so you'd have to find some other way of making sure they're not snapped up by current clubs.

As a Raiders fan I would give up Alan Tongue and Matt Orford. ;-)

:lol:

I'd happily offer up Jeff Robson and Carl Webb, at least the former is rumoured to be gone.

 

[Green Machine]

I had no idea the Crushers were trying to sign Unions best half or ex Rugby League super stars.

They signed Garrick Morgan and Anthony Herbert who were both failures. Sonny Bill was injury prone when he left the NRL and can’t come back for another 2 years. He was a good Rugby League player but it is doubtful he would stand up to a full NRL season. Cooper is running up against Union nufties. Would love to see some rugby league backrowers directed at him,

I actually think NRL Clubs need to get together (including whoever is approved for the new teams) and agree to bring Union down in Australia by picking the eyes out of its slim talent base (not to say there aren't some good players just not many following them up)

I think they should stay right away from any union player who wants to be paid over the odds. I would go after players in the 16-20 year bracket. Get them into the lower divisions and skill them up for Rugby League

The new NRL Clubs should be told that they have to sign half their 25 from outside the NRL - whether Super League or Union or AFL for that matter. That half of the squad would have NO SALARY CAP for the first 3 years. They would then have half of the normal salary cap (eg. 3 million of a normal 6million potentially) to sign the other half from within NRL circles.

I hope we don't go down the stupid sideshow path the AFL have gone. The rise in the salary cap to increasing the squads and should go to the players who stayed loyal

This would help in raiding Union, getting back some talent from Super League (which helps with profile/talent) but also helps in that they don't just go for NRL Talent from other clubs weakening the competition as a whole.

I’ve watched a bit of Super League lately and some of players are crap. I saw Brett Finch win a MOM against Bradford last week. Some of the Aussies would be OK, most are crap. I hope they don't start recruiting the best English talent and weaken Super League,