Brisbane2 Bid News

[bobmar28]

Thanks for showing you compete ignorance to the NSW sporting market. The Swans almost died in the 90s and only survived on pay outs by the AFL (or VFL whatever it was/is) and then legends like lockkett coming through.

These days they boost healthy crowds and are in no danger whatsoever.

How did that happen i wonder?

Do you want to just lose fans or bring them back.

You seem to not give a sh*t, you seem to only want an extra QLD team because of your own biased. Your lack of argument is painfully obvious to the majority of posters.

Also, what the f**k is this angrybear sh*t about?




At least this one gives himself an appropriate name.

The Central Coast Bears have the ability to reach out to a possible of 1.1 million people. As Beowulf said earlier read it properly, and i'll add to that read what is there and not what you want to be there.

The people of North Sydney live in a city that has 9 teams. Isn't that enough for them?

 

[Beowulf]

The people of North Sydney live in a city that has 9 teams. Isn't that enough for them?

There is no bid based in north Sydney for admission to the NRL. Its the central Coast, with catchement extending down to North Sydney.

Same distance from Brisbane to Gold Coast, same population catchment as Gold Coast, same lack of a team in region before entry as Gold Coast, same grassroots bid as Gold Coast, same proposal for Centre of Excellence as Gold Coast, same support from senior NRL officials as Gold Coast, more money than Gold Coast, end result will be same result as Gold Coast.

 

[johns_reds]

Or perhaps these are the people that blame the NSWRL (now the NRL) for killing off the old BRL and won't support any team in it regardless.

Those people will be dead soon... (from old age..)

 

[Dogs Of War]

As I said initially while the novelty is there, yes, the Bears will get close to 10K away crowds in Sydney. A combo of old Bears, new Coasties and intriguied nostalgic RL fans.

Thats one reason the NRL are looking at the Bears.

Note I also said the novelty factor would reduce in time and if they struggled, like any new team, that number would fall somewhat. I think 8 or 9K is achieveable for away games in Sydney for the first year or two - then success, popularity etc will determine where the average pans out.

Deliberate misrepersenting of postings seems to be a trait of the 'NSW have too many teams' adherents! These people fail to comprehend that, unlike Brisbane, the Central Coast and northern Sydney have zero teams.

No chance they bring 10K people with them to away games. Dogs supporters must be some of the best travelers in the game, and yet most times we would at best bring 7K max to grounds, and generally those are at games out at Penrith. Games at Manly/Cronulla we would be lucky to bring 3-5K to.

Really the Central Coast bid would have to look at getting a package for the Sydney supporter of the club that would allow them access to all away games in Sydney for them to even get close to the 10K away support that you are stating as a fact.

 

[BuffaloRules]

The expansion candidates for Brisbane & surrounds is now a significant number with others rumoured to be on the way...

Its obvious that this area is absolutely crying out for a new team...

Before these bids start trying to tear each other down, I believe that the IC should firstly commit that one of the two expansion places will be reserved for a new team from SEQ, and then go through a tender process in respect of which bid from SEQ offers the most for the game...

 

[adamkungl]

How will the Bears hurt the Sydney teams?

According to the CC cheersquad, there will be 10K Bears fans turning up to away games in Sydney...

Try and keep up... :lol:

Exact figure aside (I reckon closer to 5k) imo the Bears would only help Sydney. Big away support, big old school rivalries. Manly and Newcastle have the most to benefit, imo. sell out every time methinks

 

[Timmah]

hang on, you Bears cheerleaders are quite happy to assert that a team at Gosford won't negatively impact the Knights and Eagles...

Primarily because the rivalries involving Bears-Knights and Bears-Eagles would bring increased crowds to all three venues (EAS/BTS/Brookie)...

 

[Goddo]

Ok, the Bears might improve the odd crowd in Sydney, most likely vs Newcastle and Manly. HOWEVER, against Penrith, St George, Cronulla I just don't see it.

Compare that to the effect of a South Brisbane side - they would sell out Suncorp twice a year against the Broncos and would travel well for Titans games. Crowd-wise I'd say this trumps any slight improvement in Sydney.

This might be an issue for the Reds, but you'd expect to get neutrals from other clubs living in Perth attending games, in addition to the core support group getting excellent home crowds. Away crowds may struggle, but I think its up to Sydney clubs to improve their own situation rather than look to helping handouts from potential new sides. Sink or swim.

But all this crowd talk aside, TV viewership and money is where the real game is at, and the potential of a 4th Queensland side on viewership in Queensland and options for broadcasters is simply far greater than an 11th NSW side. Current NSW sides are constantly bemoaning not being on free to air. Adding another won't help at all.

Perth is a shoe in here for a couple of reasons; firstly the change to the Anti-Siphoning list forcing broadcasters to go live or near live nationally will make the networks want a team with local content in the 4th biggest city; secondly because of the great time slot a home game provides for broadcast into the East coast.

Finally, there is advertising and sponsorship revenue. Central Coast will be competing for major sponsors with the rest of the NSW clubs. This is the primary reason the Bears spruik their North Sydney connections - to tap into the corporates there. We need stronger teams in Sydney, and that can't be helped by more competition.

A second Brisbane side would have huge corporate backing. This has already been established for the Brisbane II bid, having $10m per annum sponsorship already lined up. Perth also has enormous potential here, companies with a hq in Perth wanting to advertise into the East coast, along with being a one team town of a few million make them a smart option.

It has to be a second team in the Brisbane metro area (Brisbane II, Ipswich Jets, or some other bid, whichever is the best) and Perth. They are just more important and have bigger benefits for the game.

((IF you are a Bears fan and disagree, please explain WHY. Every time a case like this is made they point at members or having mortgage house or bla bla. Ignoring the Bears bid, stake the case for the Central Coast against SE Queensland and Perth))

 

[BuffaloRules]

Compare that to the effect of a South Brisbane side - they would sell out Suncorp twice a year against the Broncos and would travel well for Titans games. Crowd-wise I'd say this trumps any slight improvement in Sydney.

In addition, we know that teams like Saints, Bulldogs, Tigers and Cowboys are well supported in Brisbane, so these teams have the opportunity to play in Brisbane potentially twice a year...

 

[applesauce]

In addition, we know that teams like Saints, Bulldogs, Tigers and Cowboys are well supported in Brisbane, so these teams have the opportunity to play in Brisbane potentially twice a year...

Add to this a TRUE BNE double header with both Brisbane teams playing out of Suncorp on the Friday night against Manly and Canterbury. That would sell-out instead of 40-45k the Broncos/Titans Double gets.

EDIT*Don't forget doubling the chances of Brisbane finals crowds/TV ratings would be huge.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Add to this a TRUE BNE double header with both Brisbane teams playing out of Suncorp on the Friday night against Manly and Canterbury. That would sell-out instead of 40-45k the Broncos/Titans Double gets.

You could potentially have a double header where both away teams would elect to play in Brisbane for the $$$....

 

[BDGS]

What obsession dingleberry? You seem to be the one wanting to have the last say - and a poor one it was. And how is it dangerous to have an obsession to have the last say anyway?

I find it laughable that a supposed bulldog supporter spends so much of his time championing the bears and having a go at anyone with a differing view. And on a thread discussing a Brisbane bid at that.

I didn't know that current supporters of current NRL teams weren't allowed to have preferences of which new teams come into the league.

Well, now that you have put your foot down, i expect all talk on any expansion to stop now as most of the discussion of every NRL bid (except for CC and WA) are coming from posters that support current teams.

 

[BDGS]

As opposed to putting a team next to a city that already has 9 teams?

It's laughable that you say that.

Brisbane (the city) is just Brisbane, whereas Sydney (the city or CBD) is not the whole of Sydney. When comparing Brisbane and Sydney then you must only compare Brisbane to Sydney's CBD to make it a fair comparison. Or count areas such as Ipswich, lockyer valley and perhaps even the Gold Coast as areas of Brisbane.

Under comparison 1, (really the only fair comparison)

Sydney has two teams (Easts and Souths), that cover different areas of the city.
Brisbane has one team (Broncos), covers the entire area of the city.

 

[BDGS]

Ok, the Bears might improve the odd crowd in Sydney, most likely vs Newcastle and Manly. HOWEVER, against Penrith, St George, Cronulla I just don't see it.

Dumbarse, now you are counting Newcastle as Sydney, not just the Central Coast, also? lmfao.

The Bears will increase every Sydney teams home games EXCEPT or Penrith and (maybe) Parramatta.

Bears have a larger number of fans in North Sydney, which can easily get to games either by road or easily by public transport at venues as far as ANZ. Cronulla does not take that long to get to from NS. The rest of the teams are in between those areas.

 

[meltiger]

The expansion candidates for Brisbane & surrounds is now a significant number with others rumoured to be on the way...

Its obvious that this area is absolutely crying out for a new team...

Before these bids start trying to tear each other down, I believe that the IC should firstly commit that one of the two expansion places will be reserved for a new team from SEQ, and then go through a tender process in respect of which bid from SEQ offers the most for the game...

Great idea. Buffalo

Another idea would be a condition of being considered under the tender process is that they cannot comment publicly on competing bids. Hence we don't split the potential fan base and have one or more sets of fans feeling dudded if their preferred bud misses out.

 

[BDGS]

"Before these bids start trying to tear each other down, I believe that the IC should firstly commit that one of the two expansion places will be reserved for a new team from SEQ, and then go through a tender process in respect of which bid from SEQ offers the most for the game..."

Which will effectively kill off the Bears and any chance of the Central Coast ever getting a team.

 

[Smiley]

A few day old but here is the media release from Brisbane NRL Expansion Bid about Monday.

Media Release:

Press conference to reveal all

THOSE eager for more information about the burgeoning Battle for Brisbane will have all revealed in the coming weeks with the directors of the Brisbane NRL Expansion Bid today announcing a press conference on February 21.

The event to be held at Suncorp Stadium will feature two major announcements including who are the bid sponsors and the community direction for the bid. Brisbane NRL Expansion Bid Director Craig Davison said there will be addresses from each of the three directors as well as an opportunity for questions.

“February 21 will mark a very exciting day on the calendar for NRL in not only Queensland, but Australia,” he said. “This day will mark the official announcement and the beginning of the ‘Battle for Brisbane’ and it will take place at the iconic Suncorp Stadium.”

The three directors are expecting a huge turnout for the event which will be held at 11:00am and will be followed by an informal lunch and drinks at the adjacent Iceworks.

This will be the first time details about this exciting new venture will be presented to the public in what is being billed as the biggest battle for Brisbane.

WHAT: Brisbane NRL Expansion Bid Press Conference
WHEN: February 21, 2011
WHERE: Suncorp Stadium, Entry via Gate C on Northern Plaza
WHEN: From 10.30am – Starting at 11:00am
RSVP: To craig.davison@bnenrlbid.com.au by February 17, 2011
Media Inquiries: Craig Davison, Brisbane NRL Expansion Bid Director

 

[Dogs Of War]

"Before these bids start trying to tear each other down, I believe that the IC should firstly commit that one of the two expansion places will be reserved for a new team from SEQ, and then go through a tender process in respect of which bid from SEQ offers the most for the game..."

Which will effectively kill off the Bears and any chance of the Central Coast ever getting a team.

It would kill the bears, but not the second part. The Central Coast would still be an option for a club to move to, if they believed they could make it work. Really this comes down to the NRL putting the carrot out there for a team to make the move.

 

[Beowulf]

No chance they bring 10K people with them to away games. Dogs supporters must be some of the best travelers in the game, and yet most times we would at best bring 7K max to grounds, and generally those are at games out at Penrith. Games at Manly/Cronulla we would be lucky to bring 3-5K to.

Really the Central Coast bid would have to look at getting a package for the Sydney supporter of the club that would allow them access to all away games in Sydney for them to even get close to the 10K away support that you are stating as a fact.

True and thats exactly what they are going to do - a Sydney fan membership option including the NS OVal game v manly, SFS games v Roosters, Souths and ANZ stadium games, Parra Stadium, brookvale Oval etc...

 

[BDGS]

It would kill the bears, but not the second part. The Central Coast would still be an option for a club to move to, if they believed they could make it work. Really this comes down to the NRL putting the carrot out there for a team to make the move.

Do you know what the Central Coast is like?

They won't accept anybody else, go to the coast, ask the people.

Its the Central Coast Bears or nothing, you can't just relocate a team there because it would solve problem and allow another QLD team.

That is complete ignorance.