Brisbane2 Bid News

[BuffaloRules]

Game set match....

 

[bobmar28]

Hold on, the main reason so many people on here hate the Bears, their "Arrogance", and the Brisbane2 bid chairman is saying "when"? :lol:

SEQ is the logical choice for one of the next 2 NRL franchises and he probably thinks their bid is superior to the others.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Bye Bye CC Bears

Haha, wishful thinking. As big as these sponsors are, we have something alot bigger still as our ace.

You should also note that while Brisbane 2 are trying to get a warchest of $10m with these sponsors and other revenue streams before they hand their bid in, the CCBears already have a war chest which is considerably larger.

And we didn't have to use alcohol or gambling agencies to reach these funds. Just good ol' community work.

In perspective;
*Brisbane 2 bid = John Singleton CCBEARS Bid...
*Greg Florimo CCBEARS bid = Gold Coast Titans NRL bid...

Brisbane 2 has money and 2 provate backers and 0 community support...
CCBEARS have money, 4 private backers and community support...

* Brisbane 2 has 4 major sponsors (one from Sydney, one from Central QLD, one from NZ and one from Gold Coast)..,
* CCBEARS have 5 major sponsors (1 from Sydney, 2 from North Sydney, 1 from Greater NSW, 1 from Central Coast)...

Brisbane 2 has 0 members,
CCBEARS has 6000 members,

Brisbane 2 has 0 local businesses as partners or sponsors,
CCBEARS have 40 local businesses as partners and sponsors,

Brisbane 2 have no future revenue streamer, except sponsors
CCBEARS have the Sports Excellence Center which benefits the community too, plus sponsors, plus private backers, plus community shares...

People said Brisbane 2 would have a resounding community support.. hasn't happened. In fact the majority of people both in Brisbane and in other places don't believe Brisbane is the best place to expand.

People said Brisbane 2 wouldn't affect the Broncos, Titans or any other team because they would generate SEQLD bases sponsors.. Only one of their sponsors is from SEQLD. They have actually tapped into other regions would be sponsors... Bundaberg/Central QLD.. Canterbury/NZ.. Centerbet..NSW.

People said that Brisbane 2 would be able to generate millions, however even with 4 big companies they are struggling to hit half of $10m.

People said the Brisbane 2 wouldn't affect any other clubs support base, however the non-Broncos supporters will support a Sydney team and if they cross teams to Brisbane 2 they have already affected their original team eg. dragons, bulldogs, roosters etc.. so it's not new fans at all rather rehashed fans. (unlike the CCBEARS who will always have a pre established support group and can only grow via the CC/NS).

So all the reasons people on this board said would make Brisbane 2 bid great, have not happened. In fact the opposites happened and it's quite ironic that the reasons people don't want the CCBEARS actually now apply to Brisbane 2 more so. I'm having a chuckle because people actually believe a few stickers are more important then memberships? I must of missed the whole boat where Gallop dismissed the importance of memberships..

 

[BuffaloRules]

I actually found out this morning that the bloke that sits next to me at work is a CC member....

 

[Version 6]

While I don't think it's a knockout blow, it would be naive to think that this isn't bad news for the Bears.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Haha, wishful thinking. As big as these sponsors are, we have something alot bigger still as our ace.

You should also note that while Brisbane 2 are trying to get a warchest of $10m with these sponsors and other revenue streams before they hand their bid in, the CCBears already have a war chest which is considerably larger.

And we didn't have to use alcohol or gambling agencies to reach these funds. Just good ol' community work.

In perspective;
*Brisbane 2 bid = John Singleton CCBEARS Bid...
*Greg Florimo CCBEARS bid = Gold Coast Titans NRL bid...

Brisbane 2 has money and 2 provate backers and 0 community support...
CCBEARS have money, 4 private backers and community support...

* Brisbane 2 has 4 major sponsors (one from Sydney, one from Central QLD, one from NZ and one from Gold Coast)..,
* CCBEARS have 5 major sponsors (1 from Sydney, 2 from North Sydney, 1 from Greater NSW, 1 from Central Coast)...

Brisbane 2 has 0 members,
CCBEARS has 6000 members,

Brisbane 2 has 0 local businesses as partners or sponsors,
CCBEARS have 40 local businesses as partners and sponsors,

Brisbane 2 have no future revenue streamer, except sponsors
CCBEARS have the Sports Excellence Center which benefits the community too, plus sponsors, plus private backers, plus community shares...

People said Brisbane 2 would have a resounding community support.. hasn't happened. In fact the majority of people both in Brisbane and in other places don't believe Brisbane is the best place to expand.

People said Brisbane 2 wouldn't affect the Broncos, Titans or any other team because they would generate SEQLD bases sponsors.. Only one of their sponsors is from SEQLD. They have actually tapped into other regions would be sponsors... Bundaberg/Central QLD.. Canterbury/NZ.. Centerbet..NSW.

People said that Brisbane 2 would be able to generate millions, however even with 4 big companies they are struggling to hit half of $10m.

People said the Brisbane 2 wouldn't affect any other clubs support base, however the non-Broncos supporters will support a Sydney team and if they cross teams to Brisbane 2 they have already affected their original team eg. dragons, bulldogs, roosters etc.. so it's not new fans at all rather rehashed fans. (unlike the CCBEARS who will always have a pre established support group and can only grow via the CC/NS).

So all the reasons people on this board said would make Brisbane 2 bid great, have not happened. In fact the opposites happened and it's quite ironic that the reasons people don't want the CCBEARS actually now apply to Brisbane 2 more so. I'm having a chuckle.

Deluded much? CC have been working on their bid for years and Brisbane has pretty much come up with the same cash in a couple of months. Given the chance to sign up members and so all that other stuff they'd probably do it easily.

You reckon non-Bronco supporters already support other teams, but CC people don't? You're kidding right? The only latent support for the Bears come from the handful of old Norths fans who haven't moved on, not from average CC people.

And you can't even seriously have a go at Brisbane over having betting and alcohol companies as sponsors when you list Norths Leagues as a CC sponsor. In fact having Norths backing the CC bid highlights one of the major problems with it - it's not a CC bid. It's Norths trying to get back into the NRL the only way it can - by calling itself Central Coast. I like the fact that this Brisbane club will be like the Titans, a new entity with no links to old defunct teams.

This bid may not kill off the Bears' hopes but it already looks at least as good, if not better and they havent even launched it yet.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Deluded much? CC have been working on their bid for years and Brisbane has pretty much come up with the same cash in a couple of months. Given the chance to sign up members and so all that other stuff they'd probably do it easily.

You reckon non-Bronco supporters already support other teams, but CC people don't? You're kidding right? The only latent support for the Bears come from the handful of old Norths fans who haven't moved on, not from average CC people.

And you can't even seriously have a go at Brisbane over having betting and alcohol companies as sponsors when you list Norths Leagues as a CC sponsor. In fact having Norths backing the CC bid highlights one of the major problems with it - it's not a CC bid. It's Norths trying to get back into the NRL the only way it can - by calling itself Central Coast. I like the fact that this Brisbane club will be like the Titans, a new entity with no links to old defunct teams.

This bid may not kill off the Bears' hopes but it already looks at least as good, if not better and they havent even launched it yet.

6000 paid members, community support from either side of the highway, political support from both sides of the fence, 40 local CC businesses throwing their money in support can't be wrong, junior club and CCDRL affiliation make this very much a CC bid. Is it Norths fault that they invested large sums of money on the CC? Built a stadium? Had training facilities and camps up here for years? Put in the hard yard in the community? Mingled with the locals? Set up charities and initiatives to get the unemployed on the CC some work?

Using the old "Norths are using the CC" as a problem? Because it establishes corporate support from the North Shore? Because it has successfully established links, sponsors and funding already?

I keep hearing about how other bids will sign up members easily.. first from Central QLD, then Ipswich now Brisbane.. well do it! No point talking about it for weeks on end.. Central QLD didnt find it easy so they changed it to a sign on petition. Ipswich found it very hard and are looking at free online memberships and Brisbane 2 are looking at the same set up.

The same cash? From current main sponsors? Yes.. but what about the equity before sponsors? What about the revenue from merchandise and membership sales? What about the grants from Labour Government and land acquisition from Liberals? Private backing and community owned shares and the equity established from those same 40 local business sponsors/partners? If you bag us, do it properly.

It's a fine line defending something with probablies..

 

[East Coast Tiger]

I will. A second Brisbane club would blow all your numbers out of the water. And there's no history in a CC Bears side. You can't have it both ways. You're either a CC team or you're a North Sydney team. Plus, it's easy to sign up members when they are only $20. Bit different when you're asking people to fork out a few hundred like current teams do. No one is saying the Bears don't have a good bid, but is it the best bid, or even the second best? I'm not too sure.

 

[applesauce]

Should the consortium win an NRL licence, Bundaberg will move to sponsor a "Battle of Brisbane" trophy for Queensland derbies between the Broncos and the prospective franchise.

This would be the biggest derby in the world of RL. A full Suncorp 2 more times/year!

Underlining the corporate appeal in a second Brisbane NRL team, the consortium is also finalising negotiations with another three leading companies, including an insurance rival to the Broncos major sponsor NRMA.

That is such a HUGE bonus for this bid team. Rival companies to the ones which sponsor the Broncos are shut out of the QLD market (on the same scale), hence the huge amount of interest in the new team by sponsors.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I will. A second Brisbane club would blow all your numbers out of the water. And there's no history in a CC Bears side. You can't have it both ways. You're either a CC team or you're a North Sydney team. Plus, it's easy to sign up members when they are only $20. Bit different when you're asking people to fork out a few hundred like current teams do. No one is saying the Bears don't have a good bid, but is it the best bid, or even the second best? I'm not too sure.

Im waiting for them to blow the numbers out of the water... people keep saying this but it isn't happening...

* ive already explained the majority of members sold to adults are $80 + how can we raise the price without games for the people to actually attend?
* why cant we have it both ways if both communities (the central coast & north shore) are cool with it? we acknowledge the new frontier as much as we acknowledge our history.
* so its easy to sign up a few? 6000 is a few now? is it easy to organize weekly drives and events? if so why arent the other bids doing this? considering the membership drives have only been happening for a year.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Im waiting for them to blow the numbers out of the water... people keep saying this but it isn't happening...

* ive already explained the majority of members sold to adults are $80 + how can we raise the price without games for the people to actually attend?
* why cant we have it both ways if both communities (the central coast & north shore) are cool with it? we acknowledge the new frontier as much as we acknowledge our history.
* so its easy to sign up a few? 6000 is a few now? is it easy to organize weekly drives and events? if so why arent the other bids doing this? considering the membership drives have only been happening for a year.

You can;t seriously doubt that Brisbane 2 bid would be able to achieve this. Really your bid should be looking at the Perth bid much more closely now, it seems to be a bit behind where you are in some areas, so what can your bid team do to highlight your strengths over the Perth bid. And catch up where you are behind?

This Brisbane bid will be stronger than anything your team can put together, given they have only been together for a few months, and have already assembled a sizeable sponsorship, and have plenty of time to get more if required. I also have no doubts that there next course of actions will be getting the grassroots involved via memberships, and also looking at linking up with an existing QRL club (or two) to provide a pathway to the NRL. The IC would be silly to ignore this bid.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Im waiting for them to blow the numbers out of the water... people keep saying this but it isn't happening...

* ive already explained the majority of members sold to adults are $80 + how can we raise the price without games for the people to actually attend?
* why cant we have it both ways if both communities (the central coast & north shore) are cool with it? we acknowledge the new frontier as much as we acknowledge our history.
* so its easy to sign up a few? 6000 is a few now? is it easy to organize weekly drives and events? if so why arent the other bids doing this? considering the membership drives have only been happening for a year.

The bears website has memberships for $20. In fact kids memberships are only $15. Why would a majority of people pay $80?

The CC can't even claim the North Shore. That's the other stupid thing about this bid. They keep using figures on population etc by including the whole of North Sydney in their figures. But North Sydney already has an NRL team, Manly. So how can this bid claim the North Shore as its own?

Other bids can and are signing up members. If you think your bid is going to be the best supported it terms of fan numbers you are kidding yourself. Brisbane would beat it, PNG would absolutely destroy it (7 million people would support that team) and even Perth might give it a shake. But like I said, signing up members for $20 is not that hard. If every NRL club sold memberships for $20, even if they didn't include game tickets, they would all have two or three times the number of members they have now. It's a nice figure to put on your propogranda, that you have 6000 members (the number is actually 5700 according to the Bears website) but it doesn't mean that much in real terms. A second Brisbane team would fill Lang Park, probably a few times a year. That probably makes it a more attractive prospect already.

 

[Version 6]

* ive already explained the majority of members sold to adults are $80 +

I'd like to see some support for this.

Are you able to point me to something that provides the number of $80 memberships sold and the total number of adult memberships sold?

 

[Version 6]

* ive already explained the majority of members sold to adults are $80 +

I'd like to see some support for this.

Are you able to point me to something that provides the number of $80 memberships sold and the total number of adult memberships sold?

 

[Timmah]

Holes everywhere here. Where to begin?

The bears website has memberships for $20. In fact kids memberships are only $15. Why would a majority of people pay $80?

Why don't you ask them? Perhaps some of them believe putting in more money will increase the chances of the bid 1. being liquid and therefore 2. being admitted in 2013.

The CC can't even claim the North Shore. That's the other stupid thing about this bid. They keep using figures on population etc by including the whole of North Sydney in their figures. But North Sydney already has an NRL team, Manly. So how can this bid claim the North Shore as its own?

:? Do you actually know the geography of Sydney?

Manly-Warringah are a Northern Beaches club. They look after everything north of the spit and south of Palm Beach, across to about Frenchs Forest and Terrey Hills.

The area formerly occupied by North Sydney, and rightfully being claimed by the CC Bears, starts at Kirribilli and follows the North Shore (different to the Northern Beaches) along the Pacific Highway, through Chatswood, Pymble, up to Hornsby, Berowra and Brooklyn before crossing into the Central Coast.

I understand your desire for another Brisbane team, but it doesn't help you when you make statements on something you don't understand.

Other bids can and are signing up members. If you think your bid is going to be the best supported it terms of fan numbers you are kidding yourself. Brisbane would beat it, PNG would absolutely destroy it (7 million people would support that team) and even Perth might give it a shake. But like I said, signing up members for $20 is not that hard. If every NRL club sold memberships for $20, even if they didn't include game tickets, they would all have two or three times the number of members they have now. It's a nice figure to put on your propogranda, that you have 6000 members (the number is actually 5700 according to the Bears website) but it doesn't mean that much in real terms. A second Brisbane team would fill Lang Park, probably a few times a year. That probably makes it a more attractive prospect already.

If Brisbane would beat it, lets see them do it. Why aren't they already selling memberships?

PNG would absolutely destroy it? With what disposable income?

Perth might give it a shake? Possibly, it's got a whole state to pull from.

Many NRL clubs do sell memberships for $20 or around that figure, but many don't market those memberships. They're usually non-ticketed, football club memberships that enable people to feel they're contributing to their team in some way, shape or form, irrespective of their level of attendance.

Propaganda? It's called a bid for a reason, idiot.

 

[Joker's Wild]

That is such a HUGE bonus for this bid team. Rival companies to the ones which sponsor the Broncos are shut out of the QLD market (on the same scale), hence the huge amount of interest in the new team by sponsors.

Um....what?

Suncorp, AAMI and RACQ, all direct competitors of NRMA, have a huge presence in QLD and QLDRL.

JB HiFi, Harvey Norman ,etc likewise

 

[Timmah]

I'd like to see some support for this.

Are you able to point me to something that provides the number of $80 memberships sold and the total number of adult memberships sold?

I can just see it now...

R&BB: Hi Mr Florimo, can I please have documents which show the majority of members are paying the $80 memberships?

Greg: Oh, what do you need that sort of information for?

R&BB: Some knob on the LeagueUnlimited.com forums demanded I support my claim?

Greg: LOL.


I understand that this is the online realm and people can often say what they want without documented proof, but from someone who regularly posts about the bid and seems passionately & closely involved (R&BB), I reckon he's much more trustworthy than some random bloke with a Family Guy character in his sig demanding proof of something that really isn't that important in the scheme of things.

JMO though

 

[applesauce]

Um....what?

Suncorp, AAMI and RACQ, all direct competitors of NRMA, have a huge presence in QLD and QLDRL.

JB HiFi, Harvey Norman ,etc likewise

Missed the bit about "same scale"?

Just like TV ratings are so important to advertisers because of the marketing power sport has over it's fans through the various associated brands.

I don't see RACQ, AAMI etc on the front of the no.1 sporting team in the country, the most exposed RL team in the country (TV wise) and the leading merchandise sales franchise in the country....

Being associated with a sporting brand such as the Broncos is a huge advantage over other avenues of advertising. I am not saying it isn't the only good one but as seen by the interest the BNE team is having.

Companies such as AAMI/Harvey Norman have to aline with QLD Origin/Cowboys due to the Broncos NRMA conflict same could be said about Suncorp but that is a different ballgame again due to its' reach across multiple sports.

Being a one team RL town companies are forced to commit longterm deals with the Broncos or lose their spot to a competitor, if the new team comes in it will be common place to see the Broncos in NRMA and the BNEII side in QBE etc.

 

[Version 6]

I can just see it now...

R&BB: Hi Mr Florimo, can I please have documents which show the majority of members are paying the $80 memberships?

Greg: Oh, what do you need that sort of information for?

R&BB: Some knob on the LeagueUnlimited.com forums demanded I support my claim?

Greg: LOL.


I understand that this is the online realm and people can often say what they want without documented proof, but from someone who regularly posts about the bid and seems passionately & closely involved (R&BB), I reckon he's much more trustworthy than some random bloke with a Family Guy character in his sig demanding proof of something that really isn't that important in the scheme of things.

JMO though

Ummm, you do realise that I didn't ask for a source until AFTER he made the claim?

And, of course it is an important distinction.

If the majority of memberships being sold are $80 per unit, it stands to reason that the CCBears can rely on that and make representations that their membership number is commensurate to their eventual ticketed membership number.

If the majority of memberships being sold are $20 per unit, its akin to a 11 year old girl gathering sponsorship for her school walkathon.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

If the majority of memberships being sold are $20 per unit, its akin to a 11 year old girl gathering sponsorship for her school walkathon.

Correct and good analogy. With all due respect for the Bears supporters gathering these cheaper memberships their stands at shopping plazas and Mcdonalds are akin to buying a raffle ticket from the lions club or making a one off donation to a charity.

And Timmah, Jay Shermann is from the critic, not the family guy.