Broncs game

[RedVee_8]

I was so disappointed in that second half.

i was worried when hook made those changes an hour out. Our strength had been the settled lineup.

an expensive loss today I think

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Maybe not but he is worth it to be given another chance just like Ramsey was given. We need someone with speed on the flanks. We lost against young and fast players today and I was hoping that we could have started just as fast.

If the Broncs had a full compliment of players today, to me they could have reached 50+.

If Sloan was on, he might have had the speed to shut down some of their players. Only saying.

He’s fast. I’ll give him that. But I’m not convinced he can hack it in first grade yet. We lost today because the majority of the team did not show commitment today. The Broncos were beatable today but the dragons didn’t turn up to play. Which is the biggest disappointment for us supporters

 

[Dragon David]

It’s the players that Payten and Walters have brought in compared to Hook that sets these coaches apart. Walters and Payten signing young bulls. Hook signing has beens and gronks

Yes, poor recruitment means poor results. Hook hasn't really identified what we need - Woods, Burgess, McCullough, Mbye etc. not much chop I'm afraid.

Could we have won had Sims not get binned? Maybe, but it is all hypothetical and not reality.

Anyway, I'm just now getting tired of this up/down thing we are doing every year - except last year it was down/down in the last 8 games.

 

[Dragon David]

It shows how shit we are when the Bronx player went down and play was suspended for 5 minutes with us in possession on 5. All that time to think about a 5th tackle play. And what do we do? Get tackled on the 6th with no metres gained.
That just shows how dumb they are. All that thinking time and they can’t set up a last tackle play. I’m afraid the roosters will do a number on us next week.

We lacked a true leader today to make things happen for us. You are so right Henry - lots of time to figure out what to do. Small brains result in small gains.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Yes, poor recruitment means poor results. Hook hasn't really identified what we need - Woods, Burgess, McCullough, Mbye etc. not much chop I'm afraid.

Could we have won had Sims not get binned? Maybe, but it is all hypothetical and not reality.

Anyway, I'm just now getting tired of this up/down thing we are doing every year - except last year it was down/down in the last 8 games.

Yes mate. It’s been pretty much down for the past 10 years.

 

[redv13]

So I’m assuming Rava will be gone for a while with a hammy injury especially if it’s the same one he injured earlier this year. Sloan onto the wing?? Rather that than say Moga or Rueben. At least Sloan is there and can interchange with Ramsey if he needs a breather through the game

 

[kit66]

He’s fast. I’ll give him that. But I’m not convinced he can hack it in first grade yet. We lost today because the majority of the team did not show commitment today. The Broncos were beatable today but the dragons did turn up to play. Which is the biggest disappointment for us supporters

I'm in the the Sloan for Wing camp too ( maybe for Rav next week ) but that's another issue, our backs were very poor defensively today 1 to 7 missed 25 tackles and failed to work together, people running out of the line, turning in to leave holes because they didn't trust their team mate defending one in from them (Rav's very bad at that) etc.

I just had a look at our stats and if you didn't watch the game you'd think our stats were pretty good - 31/37 completions is great, you take JHunt's misses out and the rest of our forwards missed just 5 tackles between them, amazing, 9 players making over 100mtrs, only 7 errors and unbelievably just one 6again. But looks can be deceiving. It's the missed tackles, the poor defence out wide, the one out running and the poor to non existent last play options and especially McCullough's slow motion service from dummy half which is compounded by our lack of depth, quick play the balls count for nothing when McC's on the job. Did you notice how deep the Broncs were when setting up for those raids out wide, well drilled too.

P.S. Hunt is worth every cent.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

I'm in the the Sloan for Wing camp too ( maybe for Rav next week ) but that's another issue, our backs were very poor defensively today 1 to 7 missed 25 tackles and failed to work together, people running out of the line, turning in to leave holes because they didn't trust their team mate defending one in from them (Rav's very bad at that) etc.

I just had a look at our stats and if you didn't watch the game you'd think our stats were pretty good - 31/37 completions is great, you take JHunt's misses out and the rest of our forwards missed just 5 tackles all up, 9 players making over 100mtrs, only 7 errors and unbelievably just one 6again. But looks can be deceiving. It's the missed tackles, the poor defence out wide, the one out running and the poor to non existent last play options and especially McCullough's slow motion service from dummy half which is compounded by our lack of depth, quick play the balls count for nothing when McC's on the job. Did you notice how deep the Broncs were when setting up for those raids out wide, well drilled too.

P.S. Hunt is worth every cent.

That running out of the line really did my head in today. It’s standard practice to stay in the line. What the hell was Hunt thinking? Their defence all over the park was poor. They were out enthused by a young team that were expected to lose. These blokes do my head in sometimes.

 

[Illusion]

Its all over red rover ...... what ever glimpse of hope they had gone .......

 

[Dragon David]

He’s fast. I’ll give him that. But I’m not convinced he can hack it in first grade yet. We lost today because the majority of the team did not show commitment today. The Broncos were beatable today but the dragons did turn up to play. Which is the biggest disappointment for us supporters

Yes, you are right, we "did not turn up to play".

 

[jeffdragon]

Yeah Periera did play well for us and I was gutted when he left us
we should get him back - he has always been under rated
agree with everything else you said

Why we didn't kick high to Periera is a mystery instead of kicking to the other Broncs winger .
On this forum many said Pereira was one of the slowest wingers we had at the club and made many errors catching thd ball.
I remember so many comments about him on this forum.

 

[jeffdragon]

If you have another look and freeze it at the moment Sims shoulder makes contact you'll see it goes nowhere near the head of the Broncos player, it contacts his chest. The bunker should have picked that up. It wasn't a shoulder charge, he used his arms, and it wasn't high. What it was was another bs unnecessary sin binning.

The Broncs player knocked it on and if Sims wasn't penalised we were on the attack.
No more pressure on Reyniods kicking game.

 

[Inisai Toga]

Well unlike many others, I didn't expect to win today. Although I did think it would be closer.

I had concerns before the game about having Sullivan and Amone together in the halves. The kicking was always going to be an issue although I had hoped Amone was further along with game management than he is.

I also believe that the 20 minutes of Sims in the bin sapped the energy of the team. Additionally, the halves needed to take control of the game. The poor kicking put us on the back foot and contributed to the fatigue we saw in the second half. Without at least 1 half running the show we were always going to struggle.

Both Sullivan and Amone are good players individually, but I don't think we can accommodate both of them in the team just yet.

Tend to agree. Can’t win with a player down for half an half. Also, just part of the development process exposing them (Amone and Sullivan) in first grade big games as a pair. Broncos were always going to be tough whoever played. We’ll live; amazed that those sprucing the young guys for so long are are so surprised; takes time.

 

[Illusion]

Why can we not execute a set attacking play?
You know the ones where everyone knows their role, goes through the hands and finishes with winger scoring in the corner? Like the broncos try in the second half, like Souths, Sharks, Cowboys do every week.
All of our attack is one out, our tries are mostly individual moments of brilliance.
We are really poorly coached.

As you say too much one out stuff with the first 3 to 4 hit ups , which makes it so easy for oppositions , no players in motion to even make the opposition have to move or think ......

 

[kit66]

Its all over red rover ...... what ever glimpse of hope they had gone .......

Our forwards were ok today, apart from JHunt, they did their bit and our discipline overall was an improvement. It was a lack of leadership and experience in the halves that let us down. As well as our last play options.
We'll be better next week with Hunt back. We'll win a few more, don't write us off yet.

 

[Dragon David]

Lack of cohesion for sure Kit, good post.

Lack of structure in attack as far as I am concerned. In the past three weeks, we have only scored 1 try in those weeks and that was today. The way things were going we looked like scoring zilch again in the second half. What goes on with our non ability to score? Are we just poorly drilled or is it that it only takes the opposition to know this and they defend better?

As I say, poor structure in attack and our defence today well and truly bad.

 

[bathtime]

We lacked a true leader today to make things happen for us. You are so right Henry - lots of time to figure out what to do. Small brains result in small gains.

we were missing our captain dally m leading halfback and main kicker, we missed that today.

 

[matPORTS]

The game really has gone soft. Both of Tariq's indiscretions which resulted in sin bins - yep penalities but certainly not sin bins. Even the sin bin in last night's game was BS. It's truly a race to the bottom now, and perhaps rock bottom will be a dodgy decision which costs someone in the Grand Final ?

If today showed one thing - finals footy for the Dragons of 2022 will be totally reliant on Ben Hunt leading the team around the paddock. While I was happy with what I saw of the Amone/Sullivan combination today, both are still very much a work in progress.

The Fox team touched on this during the pre-game - we are still a couple of middle forwards away from being a genuine contender. I hope we going after Nathan Brown from the Eels ?

Sloan must come in for Rava, purely for speed alone. Depending on what happens during the upcoming games, there will be an opportunity for him to spend some time at full back as well. I'd love to see our named back five from the last few games in a 100m sprint - load up because Cody without a doubt is $1.01 odds on favourite.

All credit to the Broncos. Kevvy Walters has done a great job at turning that place around and getting their junior system firing again. We pressured them at times, and in the last couple of years their heads would have gone down knowing their opponents scored against them with a man in the bin (twice). They had answers today. They will play finals from either 5th or 6th and give whoever they play a difficult game. With Reece Walsh coming back to the club, they have a very bright few years ahead.

 

[Dragsters]

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Well unlike many others, I didn't expect to win today. Although I did think it would be closer.

I had concerns before the game about having Sullivan and Amone together in the halves. The kicking was always going to be an issue although I had hoped Amone was further along with game management than he is.

I also believe that the 20 minutes of Sims in the bin sapped the energy of the team. Additionally, the halves needed to take control of the game. The poor kicking put us on the back foot and contributed to the fatigue we saw in the second half. Without at least 1 half running the show we were always going to struggle.

Both Sullivan and Amone are good players individually, but I don't think we can accommodate both of them in the team just yet.

Correct.

Without those 20 minutes a man down i think we go on to win that game, even without a game-managing half because our forwards were dominant and our backs were slicker until the fatigue got to them.

I agree Bud and Junior are both talented players that we cannot afford to have in the halves together and today proved that.

I also believe that while Junior has had a good run of games in the top grade that that was partially due to Buds injuries.

In my opinion Junior has shown glimpses of quality but has not done enough to hold the 6 jumper.

Bud should get an extended run at 6 (with Ben at 7) to show us if he deserves his place.

I would also like to see Sloan fill Ravas wing vacancy with Suli and Lomax taking on more of the yardage work to compensate.

Sloan can add speed and x-factor and his height can be a kick target.

All is not lost, we are still in the 8 with our leader back next week...

 

[Belta]

I thought the kicking game would be the worry..
Instead of throwing it wide we turned it into a slow forward

Yep scoring tries through passing along the back line rarely occurs with the Dragons. I’m not sure what they do at training