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Bulldog Will Hopoate will not play rugby league on Sundays for religious reasons

Rex Terp

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Still waiting to hear why it bothers people that Will Hopoate won't play on Sundays.

No Dogs fans on this thread that I can see.

Seems prejudice is frowned upon in our society unless you're mocking Christians, in which case it's enlightenment.
 

thorson1987

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I didn't realise the bible banned football on Sundays. I knew about these though.

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So going by the last one on this list, we're also not allowed to reply to Perth Red's or East Coast Tiger's posts.

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Green River Eel

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On of the most selfish acts in the history of RL, what an imbecile this bloke is and well done leaving his mates in the trenches to follow his fairy tail, the bulldogs are completely mad letting this happen, they have also undermined their own culture.
 

WaznTheGreat

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Making a mockery of being a professional athlete,disgrace this bloke,Doggies are also cowards for allowing this to happen.
 
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Still waiting to hear why it bothers people that Will Hopoate won't play on Sundays.

No Dogs fans on this thread that I can see.

Seems prejudice is frowned upon in our society unless you're mocking Christians, in which case it's enlightenment.



Doesn't bother me as it's a Dogs' issue. As to your least paragraph, ask gays, lesbians, transgenders, the disenfranchised, prostitutes and non believers in general, (you know, the type of people Jesus apparently didn't mind associating with) where most of the prejudice they experience comes from. When they're more tolerant towards others, we'll go easy on 'em.
 

steggz

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As the first poster (so far) who is a minister (Baptist church), let me interact with some previous comments and then my perspective.

If he felt so strongly about this he wouldn't have played Sunday games for Eels and Sea Eagles. Why is it suddenly so much more important this year?

People come to different points of principle at different times. He obviously thinks that now this is something he has to do.

I love it in this day and age people don't believe... until something bad in their life happens they immediately blame god for not stopping it.... go figure?

Plenty of people (myself included) whose faith has not originated in a time of trouble, let alone started by complaining to God about what He did/didn't do.

I also love how Christians say "God helps those who help themselves"
errr that aint God, its you !!

If they say it, it's a false thing to say. Not in the Bible, attributed to Benjamin Franklin (IIRC). Doesn't mesh with the character of God at all.

He's got some real problems, he can't play Saturday either as a long long time ago, it was actually the last day of the week (Sabbath) before all the cults and nutters decided we should serve God on their Sunday(Catholicism).

Wrong. The earliest recording of Christians meeting was that they met on the first day of the week, as a way of commemorating the resurrection of Jesus. Jews meet (and still do) on the Saturday. Seventh Day Adventists meet on Saturdays too, believing that the Sabbath is still the day to meet. Many churches have Saturday night services, midweek services, etc.

What's the big deal? Faith is literally gullibility. Believing something with no objective evidence to do so. That's the big deal. If you want to believe in some made up stories, that's fine, but do so in your own home, in your own time, and acknowledge that it's made up bullcrap. Don't bring it into work or force it upon other people.

Where to start here? Saying that faith=gullibility does not make it so. As a Christian, my faith is in these things I profess to be true:
1. God is real (sure, I can't point to irrefutable evidence, but there is sufficient evidence for me to trust this to be true)
2. Jesus wasn't just an exemplary human, but God in human form (not just a son, but God Himself).
3. Jesus' death and resurrection are the basis of the forgiveness God offers to people.

If I profess this faith, then it should change how I live. I ought to no loner live for myself, but for God. That means living in a way that reflects the character of God (love for others amongst other aspects)

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So, what do I think of Hopoate's decision? The Sabbath principle (as the command isn't repeated in the New Testament, therefore doesn't bind in the same way for Christians as for Jews, hence the photo posted of all the things Last Week posted doesn't work) could be used as Hopoate has decided.

What I find strange is that Hopoate played on Good Friday, the most solemn day on the Christian calendar. It gets a little confusing, as I'm not exactly sure what Good Friday means for Mormons, as they veer from the majority of the Christian faith on a number of important aspects of the faith.

I've played sport on Sundays before (and probably will in the future at times), but the determining factor is whether it interferes with my ability to be part of my church's service that day (which I do for a number of reasons, none of them to hear some "psycho babble reheated bullshit" a la Johnnie Red's comment). So it's meant I've played one day of a two day cricket semifinal and been available for day 2 as a sub fielder for a time, as I needed to be at work (church) in the morning and evening. It's meant I've participated in cricket and soccer trials, because neither overlapped. If it were me in Will's position, I don't think I would have a problem. But he's communicated his desire, good on him for sticking with it.
 
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Dogs Of War

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At the end of the day the club us happy to allow this and if it's OK by them then it's ok by me. They know him better than most and hopefully it means he plays better when he is in the field.
 

steggz

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billygilmore, that wasn't any part of my post, nor is it the basis of this discussion. if you want to talk about it, maybe we should find another spot for that. I don't see a need to take this threat OT
 

drago brelli

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So on the Sundays when his team is playing will Hopoate be on the push bike wearing the white shirt, the black tie, the name tag and being rejected by the people whose doors he knocks on.
 

Bretto

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Where to start here? Saying that faith=gullibility does not make it so. As a Christian, my faith is in these things I profess to be true:
1. God is real (sure, I can't point to irrefutable evidence, but there is sufficient evidence for me to trust this to be true)
2. Jesus wasn't just an exemplary human, but God in human form (not just a son, but God Himself).
3. Jesus' death and resurrection are the basis of the forgiveness God offers to people.

If I profess this faith, then it should change how I live. I ought to no loner live for myself, but for God. That means living in a way that reflects the character of God (love for others amongst other aspects)

Faith is gullibility based on the definition of faith, and that is; believing in something without evidence.

1. You cannot prove god is real, therefore the default position must be that a god doesn't exist, until such time as sufficient evidence is provided to prove that a god does exist. Your personal experiences do not count as sufficient evidence as they're subjective experience, and not objective and rational claims that are testable and repeatable.

2. You would again need to provide proof of these claims. There is no proof outside of the bible that any of the miracles contained within the bible, are infact true. And even if there was, you would still need to provide evidence that such claims are objectively real by testing them. Additionally, Yeshua (yes, that was Jesus' real name), wasn't an exemplary human and infact broke many of gods commandments in the New Testament and also supported slavery.

3. Again, there is no supporting evidence that the resurrection ever happened. You have eye witness testimony from the bible, but the bible isn't a reliable source of evidence. Without being able to prove a resurrection is possible, the default stance has to be that it didn't happen, and was likely made up and given that the gospels were written decades after the actual events, in some cases 100 years after, it's fair to assume this to be true, as it's the most likely answer given the reality in which we live.
 

billygilmore

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billygilmore, that wasn't any part of my post, nor is it the basis of this discussion. if you want to talk about it, maybe we should find another spot for that. I don't see a need to take this threat OT
Too easy, just curious what your answer would be
 

lafai

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At the end of the day the club us happy to allow this and if it's OK by them then it's ok by me. They know him better than most and hopefully it means he plays better when he is in the field.

I guess I'm fine with the whole religion thingy but what I'm not fine with is why didn't he do this when he was with Manly or Parra?

Edit - just saw steggzs' response
 
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ParraEelsNRL

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As the first poster (so far) who is a minister (Baptist church), let me interact with some previous comments and then my perspective.



People come to different points of principle at different times. He obviously thinks that now this is something he has to do.



Plenty of people (myself included) whose faith has not originated in a time of trouble, let alone started by complaining to God about what He did/didn't do.



If they say it, it's a false thing to say. Not in the Bible, attributed to Benjamin Franklin (IIRC). Doesn't mesh with the character of God at all.



Wrong. The earliest recording of Christians meeting was that they met on the first day of the week, as a way of commemorating the resurrection of Jesus. Jews meet (and still do) on the Saturday. Seventh Day Adventists meet on Saturdays too, believing that the Sabbath is still the day to meet. Many churches have Saturday night services, midweek services, etc.



Where to start here? Saying that faith=gullibility does not make it so. As a Christian, my faith is in these things I profess to be true:
1. God is real (sure, I can't point to irrefutable evidence, but there is sufficient evidence for me to trust this to be true)
2. Jesus wasn't just an exemplary human, but God in human form (not just a son, but God Himself).
3. Jesus' death and resurrection are the basis of the forgiveness God offers to people.

If I profess this faith, then it should change how I live. I ought to no loner live for myself, but for God. That means living in a way that reflects the character of God (love for others amongst other aspects)

----------------

So, what do I think of Hopoate's decision? The Sabbath principle (as the command isn't repeated in the New Testament, therefore doesn't bind in the same way for Christians as for Jews, hence the photo posted of all the things Last Week posted doesn't work) could be used as Hopoate has decided.

What I find strange is that Hopoate played on Good Friday, the most solemn day on the Christian calendar. It gets a little confusing, as I'm not exactly sure what Good Friday means for Mormons, as they veer from the majority of the Christian faith on a number of important aspects of the faith.

I've played sport on Sundays before (and probably will in the future at times), but the determining factor is whether it interferes with my ability to be part of my church's service that day (which I do for a number of reasons, none of them to hear some "psycho babble reheated bullshit" a la Johnnie Red's comment). So it's meant I've played one day of a two day cricket semifinal and been available for day 2 as a sub fielder for a time, as I needed to be at work (church) in the morning and evening. It's meant I've participated in cricket and soccer trials, because neither overlapped. If it were me in Will's position, I don't think I would have a problem. But he's communicated his desire, good on him for sticking with it.

I was talking pre Jesus Sabbath ;)

7 the perfect number.
 

Dave_

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Religion. The one thing everyone's sick to death (literally) of hearing about. It's the thorn in humanity's side. All this for something there's no proof of. You're a fool Hoppa.
 

Last Week

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As the first poster (so far) who is a minister (Baptist church), let me interact with some previous comments and then my perspective.


As a Christian, my faith is in these things I profess to be true:
1. God is real (sure, I can't point to irrefutable evidence, but there is sufficient evidence for me to trust this to be true)


If I profess this faith, then it should change how I live. I ought to no loner live for myself, but for God. That means living in a way that reflects the character of God (love for others amongst other aspects)

What would change your mind about your faith? Is there anything that would convince you that there is no God or that your faith isn't the correct one?

Is there any evidence, other than divine intervention that would change your stance?
 

Shorty

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The irony! I see a bunch of atheists trying to convince a religious poster that God isn't real.
 

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