$BW to Roosters in 2013

[Valheru]

SBW is about as smart as a geniused flea. However, the bloke can play football and is also a winner so welcome to the roosters SBW.

Reportedly he isn’t brainwashed by the Nasser/Mundine camp like he used to be. I hope for the sake of the roosters and the NRL that is true.

Jealous? Absolutely i am.

And why shouldnt i be? Why shouldnt i be angry?

We have no clout, no influence, and thats because we're a small market team and no one really gives a f**k about us. We are all well aware of that.

Your club which does virtually nothing to help develop RL talent, to keep talented kids playing RL is getting a leg up to sign some dirty f**king turncoat merkin like SBW.

Whilst my club will struggle to keep Josh Dugan, a kid who has been with the club since 14, grew up in Tuggernong, a genuine superstar local junior who the club can build around, the raiders are fighting tooth and nail to keep RL strong in the Riverina through strong JRL programs and development systems, in the face of invasions from the AFL and thier warchest of money and continued pressure from a strong RU pressence.

And we get no helping hands, no legs up to keep a home grown star, there is no one in the NRL trying to get Dugan a tv deal, no one trying to find Dugan a juicy third party agreement to help seal the deal, but the roosters get handed a merkin like SBW on a platter.

I dont think im out of line being a tad pissed off about it.

The fact is the NRL couldnt give a f**k about the raiders, but ill tell you this much, they'll shit themselves if ever we go under and this region is surrended to the other codes.

Lol, as dumb as SBW is, Dugan makes him look like a Cambridge honours graduate.

Dugan is also crap.

The Raiders are worse.

 

[Raider_69]

I know exactly what skeepes point was re the tv, as i stated, politis is a very influencial figure in the game, this deal stinks of politis's influence

Now i dont blame the roosters or uncle nick for taking advantage of this, if my club were able to do so, id expect them to be doing what ever they could to give themselves the best chance for success. That doesnt change the fact its unfair.

 

[Raider_69]

Lol, as dumb as SBW is, Dugan makes him look like a Cambridge honours graduate.

You need to refresh yourself on SBW's interviews. The man is as thick as a plank, and easily one of the dumbest pricks to ever grace this fine land. Dugan is an idiot, no question but please have some respect for SBW and his bus driver interview

 

[adamkungl]

What deal? The Roosters boss is talking to a player about signing with the Roosters. It has sweet f**k all to do with the NRL or Politis's influence anywhere except at the Roosters.

At least if you were whinging about Gyngel you might have something resembling a point, but I have no idea what you're trying to get at here.

 

[RWB]

I know exactly what skeepes point was re the tv, as i stated, politis is a very influencial figure in the game, this deal stinks of politis's influence

Now i dont blame the roosters or uncle nick for taking advantage of this, if my club were able to do so, id expect them to be doing what ever they could to give themselves the best chance for success. That doesnt change the fact its unfair.

What influence does he need? What influence are you accusing him of unfairly getting?

SBW already has a contract with 9... or are you just refusing to ignore this fact?

 

[Brutus]

SBW god! he was decent for the All Blacks but nothing more than a bench player, in rugby league he can once again become the greatest 2nd rower in the game. Any clauses to him to box in that contract?

SBW had hardly played union before he moved to that code. Played several tests for the 'world famous' All Blacks and would have played many more.

Pretty easy this union caper...

 

[Lambretta]

:lol:
The irony is delicious. Love it when little brother gets all defensive when someone brings up valid criticisms of your team. And then to defend yourself your rehash that BS argument.

If you pricks didn't steal our players we wouldn't haven't gotten your territory. And you use that to defend yourself?

QUOTE]

My god you're thick. I wasn't defending myself - I was advising someone they should find another reason to hate Easts. The arguement of our territory being taken isnt bullshit, it's fact.

There are plenty of reasons to hate Easts - god knows we try to give people enough, this last one being yet another example - but us losing 75% of our working class area when the borders moved under pressure from Souths (and Balmain) as most of the Souths residential area was being industrialised is hardly a good reason. In fact it should be a reason to feel sympathetic TOWARDS Easts and hatred towards Souths for being a bunch of cheating merkins.

Maroubra, Coogee, Kensington and Randwick WERE Eastern Suburbs juniors areas. They were taken from us. We didnt drop them or let them go, they were taken against our wishes. Even when Souths then also got Newtown they didnt return what they'd stolen.

SOUTHS stole EASTS players - we decided to pay them wages to play for us and you hated us for it because you had no money. We're quite comfortable with having no junior area, after all we knew what happened - but people hating us for it, is just f**king lame.

Hate us for being stupid enough to bring someone like SBW back into the game. Sure. But hating us for getting shafted by Souths. That's f**king laughable.

 

[Lambretta]

I know exactly what skeepes point was re the tv, as i stated, politis is a very influencial figure in the game, this deal stinks of politis's influence

Now i dont blame the roosters or uncle nick for taking advantage of this, if my club were able to do so, id expect them to be doing what ever they could to give themselves the best chance for success. That doesnt change the fact its unfair.

I sort of agree with alot of what you have been saying - especially the points on the lack of support that Canberra get for the great work they do in their region. The Raiders have sort of developed into one of my soft spots over the years and I usually find myself cheering them when they're on TV.

The Nine angle had me worried when I first saw those pictures, especially when the person was an ex Easts board member - but SBW does already have a contract with Channel 9 and they would need to be sounded out to see if his contract with them could be continued if he swaps codes.

The figure of $800,000 a season would have to include the Channel 9 money as there's no way we could fit that under the cap even with a cap increase in 2013.

I might be wearing my Easts hat here, but I'd have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But having said that, I'd still prefer it if we would spend our money on someone that wasn't SBW. I never had a problem with him going to another code, but the manner in which he did it and his connections to Mundines crew has always left me slightly uneasy.

As I've already said, people hate us for daft enough reasons as it is - why do we seem to go out of our way to give people genuine ones?

 

[Canard]

SBW is about as smart as a geniused flea. However, the bloke can play football and is also a winner so welcome to the roosters SBW.

Has he ever won anything in League?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Has he ever won anything in League?

2004 premiership with the boughtdogs.

 

[adamkungl]

Maroubra, Coogee, Kensington and Randwick WERE Eastern Suburbs juniors areas.

Ask anyone who lives in these areas what area they live in...I bet they don't say Souff Sinney

 

[Raider_69]

The Sunday Telegraph can reveal Williams' five-year agreement was all but finalised over a breakfast meeting in Circular Quay yesterday with Roosters chairman Nick Politis and Channel Nine supremo David Gyngell.

The opening line tells you the story, it tells you my issue. You cant tell me Politis's influence within the game, his influence with Channel Nine and Gyngell who he is very close to, hasnt played a part in getting this deal done. You're outside your mind if you dont think Politis's influence hasnt played a role in channel 9 coming to the table this deal, in fact the article itself pretty much confirms it

Politis is the long-time chairman of the Roosters. He has powerful contacts and is someone who can structure third-party arrangements on top of the sign-on fee to make the deal happen.
Gyngell is a life-long Sydney Roosters fan and former board member. He spoke to Williams about opportunities at Channel Nine.

What pisses me off is whilst these sorts of deals are being arranged for the big market clubs to get a big name player like SBW and the Roosters. The Raiders are left to fend for themselves and might actually have to try and compete with a similar style deal from a glitzy big market team to keep a home grown junior like Dugan.

How is a club like mine supposed to be expected to keep talented players when a big market club can come in offer him 800k a year, tee up deals elsewhere to get him over a mil, where as we can only offer him cap money due to our location and market? The only way we can be allowed to compete is through cap dispensations for locally developed kids, but that wont ever happen because people like Politis knock it on its head every time the idea is raised because it likely damages his club.

 

[DoggiesBro]

2004 premiership with the boughtdogs.

That was breddogs champ, we lost them all over the shop after that.

 

[Perth Red]

Aren't 3rd party deals supposed to be independent of the club or have they given up on that farce?

Why would Ch9 want him when they only have one more guaranteed season of coverage?

 

[RWB]

The opening line tells you the story, it tells you my issue. You cant tell me Politis's influence within the game, his influence with Channel Nine and Gyngell who he is very close to, hasnt played a part in getting this deal done. You're outside your mind if you dont think Politis's influence hasnt played a role in channel 9 coming to the table this deal, in fact the article itself pretty much confirms it



What pisses me off is whilst these sorts of deals are being arranged for the big market clubs to get a big name player like SBW and the Roosters. The Raiders are left to fend for themselves and might actually have to try and compete with a similar style deal from a glitzy big market team to keep a home grown junior like Dugan.

But he already has a contract with 9, the article was proven to be wrong.

You still going to ignore this fact?

 

[Perth Red]

What pisses me off is whilst these sorts of deals are being arranged for the big market clubs to get a big name player like SBW and the Roosters. The Raiders are left to fend for themselves and might actually have to try and compete with a similar style deal from a glitzy big market team to keep a home grown junior like Dugan.

Agreed but there will always be haves and have nots in any competition depending on who your owner is, how cashed up they are, what friends and influence they have etc etc. Sucks if your a non influential team but that's life in modern sport.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Faider69 has a case of the jelly.

 

[adamkungl]

Would you like us to ditch our board and get a crapper, poorer, less connected board to put us on the same level as Furner and friends?

I agree that there should be cap concessions for local juniors, and long serving players. Would go a long way to encouraging loyalty within the game - and every club, regardless of junior numbers, is capable of keeping players long term. Except the Bulldogs.

I'm not sure if there is any evidence of Politis ever knocking such an idea on the head, that's pure speculation - I do recall Gallop umming and aahing his way through that one though, something about not wanting to disadvantage bla bla bla.

 

[Raider_69]

Would you like us to ditch our board and get a crapper, poorer, less connected board to put us on the same level as Furner and friends?

I agree that there should be cap concessions for local juniors, and long serving players. Would go a long way to encouraging loyalty within the game - and every club, regardless of junior numbers, is capable of keeping players long term. Except the Bulldogs.

I'm not sure if there is any evidence of Politis ever knocking such an idea on the head, that's pure speculation - I do recall Gallop umming and aahing his way through that one though, something about not wanting to disadvantage bla bla bla.

re the bolded part, absolutely not. I would like the NRL to admit there is a flaw in their current model of "fairness" and look at ways to address this so other clubs from smaller markets are given the chance to compete. As it stands we dont. The roosters are well within their rights to use what ever legal means they can to better their football team, thats exactly what they are doing.

Re the rest, i agree.

Agreed but there will always be haves and have nots in any competition depending on who your owner is, how cashed up they are, what friends and influence they have etc etc. Sucks if your a non influential team but that's life in modern sport.

100% correct, as said, i think im well within my rights to be annoyed by it given its this type thing that stops sides like mine from keeping talents like dugan that can bring us back to relevence.

 

[Raider_69]

Faider69 has a case of the jelly.

try and keep up sunshine, i addressed this matter a few hours ago.