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Timmah

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Aren't you still struggling to secure a shoulder sponsor?
 

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fmd...

Firstly, let me be clear, I obviously don't want the Panthers to die and I don't think they will anytime soon.

But IF they were to die, their juniors wouldn't disappear off the face of the earth or suddenly become AFL/union/soccer players. The Eels and Tigers and Bulldogs would all happily carve up the area between themselves.

If Penrith were to go belly up do you not think that the whole GWS/AFL thing would be played out in the media. Perception can be reality and it would be shocking timing and give the AFL a huge leg up but unlike the NRL they would take full advantage of the situation.
 

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If Penrith were to go belly up do you not think that the whole GWS/AFL thing would be played out in the media. Perception can be reality and it would be shocking timing and give the AFL a huge leg up but unlike the NRL they would take full advantage of the situation.
If North Melbourne (a financially weak team) goes belly up or is forced to relocate will the headlines say "Kangaroos die because of league, Storm taking over Melbourne!". No of course not. Same thing here. If the Panthers died there would still be THREE healthy, strong and stable NRL teams in Western Sydney. Noone would be stupid enough to link it to GWS, and even if they did noone would be stupid enough to believe it.
 
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A Message From CEO Greg Florimo.....

Dear facebook fans, I thought it appropriate that i give you an update considering the delay in the formation of the Independent Commission. I for one was hopeful that by now we would have obtained our licence for admission to the competition in 2013 and we could go about the business of building our Football Club.

Our game is currently going through one of its most important periods in its 103 year history. We have all yearned for a progressive and intellectual strategy that would see Rugby League be duly rewarded for the quality product that it is, and we are very close to achieving this strategic direction through the formation of the IC. A lot rests on the shoulders of this new body, there is no denying the commercial strength of our game and it is vitally important that we maximise all opportunities and continue to grow and develop.

Unfortunately, the delay in the formation of the Commission means that we, the Central Coast Bears have been as yet unable to implement our own strategies in preparing for kick off in 2013. This however does not stop our efforts in creating a powerful and proactive organisation, and we will continue to build our membership, our sponsorship pledges and our community engagement.

We will continue to impress upon the NRL the importance of securing Rugby League heartland and re-engaging Rugby League tradition. We know that a team based on the Central Coast will be a phenomenal success and will be among the top performers both on and off the field almost immediately. We know that over 24,000 facebook fans, almost 7,000 financial members and a plethora of corporate sponsors cannot be wrong!!

Greg Florimo
Go The Bears!



http://www.facebook.com/centralcoastbears
 
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Goddo

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Expansion will probably be pushed back due to the delays in the IC...

I don't think we will know our TV deal details or the Expansion sides until late this year/early next.
 

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:lol: f**k you're a nuffy. Stop posing it as a question like it's some new, original thought you've just had.

I know what really irks you? My statement regarding the over saturation of the Sydney market. 9 teams is too many, 10 is insane.

I simply put the merger idea out there because IF it happened Sharks supporters would have a team to follow in the city where they live. And the Bears could pick up the spare franchise.
 

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It won't happen Bobmar. Ever.

There is absolutely no incentive for Easts to merge with the Sharks. There is nothing to gain for Easts, except debt and an asset that will be very difficult to capitalise on. It won't strengthen the Roosters brand, it will damage it.

If Easts want their players or juniors, they will be there with the likes of Souths and St George circling like vultures if the Sharks fall over.
It simply won't happen.

The Sharks will either relocate, fold or limp into the next TV deal at the bottom of the table. Even if they manage that, they will still be up the creek.

They have no CEO, a skeleton coaching staff, a shared NSW Cup team... realistically only a white knight can save them. All just a matter of time now.

Look at mergers in the NRL - the only ones that have worked have been where its in both parties interests to do so -

St George wanted a guarenteed licence and to strengthen its brand in the South with the threat of a cashed up Cronulla.
Illawarra were a basket case, and did what was necissary to keep NRL in Wollongong and preserve its colours.
Wests were gone withouth a merger, no money.
Balmain were slightly better off than Wests, but under siginificant financial stress and a merger was the solution.

Why would successful wealthy Easts with the backing of Politis merge with the Sharks? Why?
 
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And if that continues and the football club doesn't turn it around there might be problems in the future.
So at what stage does a loss of $875,000 a month become problem?

That's $28,783 a day.....7 days a week FFS?

It's all well and good saying that Penrith don't have a problem, but in the real world, who else can support a business shipping nearly a million bucks a month?
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CC Bears.....yeah, because the NRL needs another NSW team. When will people realise the reason the idiot fumbleballers get more cash for less viewers is because they have a more varied spread.

If CC Bears want in...only at the expense of another NSW team....not at the expense of expansion. In my humble opinion that is...
 
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The next Central Coast Bears membership drive is on @

SATURDAY 7th MAY
EVENT: North Sydney Bears vs. Manly Sea Eagles
TIME & VENUE: From 3pm @ North Sydney Oval


 

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Bears v Sea Eagles 3pm Saturday at NS Oval...a preview in miniature of heritage round, 2013. $10 entry, kids in free!
 
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The only way the NRL can topple the AFL? Expansion

By Ryan O'Connell May 6th 2011

The AFL can quite rightly claim the status of Australia’s number one football code, if not sport. Its crowd attendance figures are the highest; it recently signed a massive TV rights deal; it has impressive participation rates; and the geographical breadth of its clubs represents a truly national competition – with apologies to Tasmania, the ACT and the Northern Territory.

All in all, the AFL is a very well run organisation and should be applauded for its growth over the last 15 years.

There is no question that it currently sits above rugby league when ranking the nation’s football codes.

Personally, I don’t necessarily believe the NRL needs to topple the AFL. So long as rugby league is growing, generating revenue, attracting talent, and has a sustainable future, it matters very little whether or not it’s the number one football code.

Having said that, I would hope that those in charge of rugby league in Australia are a little bit more ambitious than me.

I would hope that the NRL does have a desire to surpass the AFL’s growth and success. I would hope that there is a strategy or blueprint to become the number one sport in the country.

The AFL has a vision, and it steadfastly sticks to it, despite any criticism.

Over the years, some of that criticism has included:
- giving interstate/new teams too many concessions
- helping to pay rugby league recruits Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau
- expanding into rugby league heartland (Western Sydney)
- moving out of suburban grounds in Melbourne

The reasons for each of these decisions were varied, but at the heart of all of them was the AFL’s desire to grow the game, along with a mentality of ‘short term pain, long term gain’.

No one could ever accuse the AFL of not having a plan.

It is this type of strategic thinking that has put the AFL where it is today, and if the NRL wants to compete with the AFL, it needs to match that thinking, if not beat it.

Perhaps it’s due to the fragmented nature of rugby league’s leadership, but the game certainly doesn’t give the impression of having a unifying goal. Metaphorically speaking, it often seems that rugby leagues leaders are not singing from the same hymn sheet.

And that perception exists because it’s the reality.

The involvement of News Limited in the game has been well documented, and I won’t go over old ground that has been well covered before.

But News is just the tip of the iceberg. There is also the fractured relationship between the ARL, QRL and NSWRL, plus the heavy influence of Channel 9 in many decisions.

The whole thing is actually a bit of a tangled mess, and the sooner the Independent Commission is set up, the better.

Perhaps then the game will have a long-term strategy, rather than relying on a combination of loyal fans and brilliant players.

There will be many items on the agenda once the Commission is in power, but at the very top of that list should be a blueprint for the next ten years, and beyond. One would hope the NRL has such a plan already, but any existing future plans seem fairly loose, and certainly not transparent to fans or the media.

Central to the ten year plan should be the topic of expansion.

It cannot be overstated how important expansion is to rugby league, for it fulfils many needs:

- It is a clear indication of growth.
- It increases the footprint of the game, giving it greater exposure and opening it up to more fans.
- It increases the value of TV rights and sponsorships, generating more revenue for the game.
- It enables the sport to maintain/hold onto more playing talent.
- When the new club launches, it provides the sport with free publicity in the form of extensive media coverage.
- It gives the sport an overall impression/perception of momentum and optimism.

Expansion is important. It’s the quintessential no-brainer. The question is not ‘should the NRL expand?’, the question is ‘where to?’

And that’s when it becomes interesting, if not tricky.

There are two differing strategies for expansion. Colloquially speaking they are:
1, “Fish where the fish are”
Or
2, “Build it, and they will come”

The former is based on the notion that there is great merit in placing a team where rugby league is already popular, whilst the latter is based around gaining traction in geographic areas in which rugby league’s popularity massively under-indexes.

In layman’s terms, the decision for the NRL is basically whether the next location for NRL expansion should be the Central Coast, or somewhere like Adelaide or Perth.

The Central Coast is a fantastic nursery for rugby league, and the fans in that part of the world love their league. Blue Tongue Stadium is a fantastic venue. There are next to no major sporting teams from the Sydney Harbour Bridge all the way to the Central Coast. The Central Coast Bears have an abundance of sponsors and fans already lined up. There is a still a bad taste in the mouth of many rugby league fans over what happened to the North Sydney Bears. All in all, the Central Coast makes a compelling case to be included into the NRL.

However, the counter argument to granting the Central Coast a NRL licence is that you are ‘preaching to the converted’, and therefore not really growing the game.

Instead, wouldn’t the game be better served trying to expand its footprint, growing incrementally, and taking rugby league to new frontiers? Definitely. But whilst this sounds great in theory, it also takes patience and a lot of money. And it’s also not a foolproof plan – merely placing a team in a city does not guarantee the sport will take off in that area.

Reinforcing and shoring up the game, or attempting to grow the game. The two objectives shouldn’t be mutually exclusive. But at a very basic level, that’s what the decision will come down to.

However, there is also a third strategy when it comes to expansion, though it’s one that is normally met with extreme reluctance.

Relocation.
It’s a dirty word in sport. Over the years, we’ve seen some real emotion surface when fans have felt their team may be taken away from them. Yet there has always been the belief that Sydney has too NRL many clubs, and relocating one might be what is best for Sydney, the NRL, the new city, and the club itself.
The AFL have used all three expansion strategies well.

Their decision to grant Port Adelaide entry into the league was an example of ‘fishing where the fish are’, as Port was one of the strongest Aussie Rules clubs in Australia even before its first AFL season in 1997.

The Greater Western Sydney Giants, and to a lesser extent, the Gold Coast Suns, are both the products of a ‘build it, and they will come’ strategy.

And lastly, the Swans move from South Melbourne to Sydney, and the Brisbane Bears/Fitzroy Lions to Brisbane Lions relocation/merger, whilst both executed some time ago now, are still examples of the AFL doing things right when it comes to expansion.

When the egos are finally put aside to form the Independent Commission, they should continue to push their egos under the table and admit that the AFL does a lot of things right.

If the NRL is serious about toppling the AFL, it needs to beat them at their own game: aggressive growth through expansion.

Deciding on expansion should be an easy decision. Deciding where will be a little more complex.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/05/06/the-only-way-the-nrl-can-topple-the-afl-expansion/
 
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Beowulf

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Best thing about the Bears bid is that is offers both a 'fish where the fishes are' (Central Coast market) AND a 'build it and they will come' (northern Sydney market) answer to expansion options.

People outside of the Bears zone still fail to understand that for most RL supporters over 30 born and bred on the north shore, its Bears or they lose interest in RL, simple as that. The proof is the fact junior Clubs have closed, TV ratings down, memberships of NRL Club numbers are all down in northern Sydney since the Bears demise - they did not in general migrate to other Clubs, due to the nearest Club (Manly) being our fiercest rival. They have gone more so to Union and the Swans. Only the Bears can bring some of this market back.
 

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The only way the NRL can topple the AFL? Expansion

By Ryan O'Connell May 6th 2011

The AFL can quite rightly claim the status of Australia’s number one football code, if not sport. Its crowd attendance figures are the highest; it recently signed a massive TV rights deal; it has impressive participation rates; and the geographical breadth of its clubs represents a truly national competition – with apologies to Tasmania, the ACT and the Northern Territory.

All in all, the AFL is a very well run organisation and should be applauded for its growth over the last 15 years.

There is no question that it currently sits above rugby league when ranking the nation’s football codes.

Personally, I don’t necessarily believe the NRL needs to topple the AFL. So long as rugby league is growing, generating revenue, attracting talent, and has a sustainable future, it matters very little whether or not it’s the number one football code.

Having said that, I would hope that those in charge of rugby league in Australia are a little bit more ambitious than me.

I would hope that the NRL does have a desire to surpass the AFL’s growth and success. I would hope that there is a strategy or blueprint to become the number one sport in the country.

The AFL has a vision, and it steadfastly sticks to it, despite any criticism.

Over the years, some of that criticism has included:
- giving interstate/new teams too many concessions
- helping to pay rugby league recruits Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau
- expanding into rugby league heartland (Western Sydney)
- moving out of suburban grounds in Melbourne

The reasons for each of these decisions were varied, but at the heart of all of them was the AFL’s desire to grow the game, along with a mentality of ‘short term pain, long term gain’.

No one could ever accuse the AFL of not having a plan.

It is this type of strategic thinking that has put the AFL where it is today, and if the NRL wants to compete with the AFL, it needs to match that thinking, if not beat it.

Perhaps it’s due to the fragmented nature of rugby league’s leadership, but the game certainly doesn’t give the impression of having a unifying goal. Metaphorically speaking, it often seems that rugby leagues leaders are not singing from the same hymn sheet.

And that perception exists because it’s the reality.

The involvement of News Limited in the game has been well documented, and I won’t go over old ground that has been well covered before.

But News is just the tip of the iceberg. There is also the fractured relationship between the ARL, QRL and NSWRL, plus the heavy influence of Channel 9 in many decisions.

The whole thing is actually a bit of a tangled mess, and the sooner the Independent Commission is set up, the better.

Perhaps then the game will have a long-term strategy, rather than relying on a combination of loyal fans and brilliant players.

There will be many items on the agenda once the Commission is in power, but at the very top of that list should be a blueprint for the next ten years, and beyond. One would hope the NRL has such a plan already, but any existing future plans seem fairly loose, and certainly not transparent to fans or the media.

Central to the ten year plan should be the topic of expansion.

It cannot be overstated how important expansion is to rugby league, for it fulfils many needs:

- It is a clear indication of growth.
- It increases the footprint of the game, giving it greater exposure and opening it up to more fans.
- It increases the value of TV rights and sponsorships, generating more revenue for the game.
- It enables the sport to maintain/hold onto more playing talent.
- When the new club launches, it provides the sport with free publicity in the form of extensive media coverage.
- It gives the sport an overall impression/perception of momentum and optimism.

Expansion is important. It’s the quintessential no-brainer. The question is not ‘should the NRL expand?’, the question is ‘where to?’

And that’s when it becomes interesting, if not tricky.

There are two differing strategies for expansion. Colloquially speaking they are:
1, “Fish where the fish are”
Or
2, “Build it, and they will come”

The former is based on the notion that there is great merit in placing a team where rugby league is already popular, whilst the latter is based around gaining traction in geographic areas in which rugby league’s popularity massively under-indexes.

In layman’s terms, the decision for the NRL is basically whether the next location for NRL expansion should be the Central Coast, or somewhere like Adelaide or Perth.

The Central Coast is a fantastic nursery for rugby league, and the fans in that part of the world love their league. Blue Tongue Stadium is a fantastic venue. There are next to no major sporting teams from the Sydney Harbour Bridge all the way to the Central Coast. The Central Coast Bears have an abundance of sponsors and fans already lined up. There is a still a bad taste in the mouth of many rugby league fans over what happened to the North Sydney Bears. All in all, the Central Coast makes a compelling case to be included into the NRL.

However, the counter argument to granting the Central Coast a NRL licence is that you are ‘preaching to the converted’, and therefore not really growing the game.

Instead, wouldn’t the game be better served trying to expand its footprint, growing incrementally, and taking rugby league to new frontiers? Definitely. But whilst this sounds great in theory, it also takes patience and a lot of money. And it’s also not a foolproof plan – merely placing a team in a city does not guarantee the sport will take off in that area.

Reinforcing and shoring up the game, or attempting to grow the game. The two objectives shouldn’t be mutually exclusive. But at a very basic level, that’s what the decision will come down to.

However, there is also a third strategy when it comes to expansion, though it’s one that is normally met with extreme reluctance.

Relocation.
It’s a dirty word in sport. Over the years, we’ve seen some real emotion surface when fans have felt their team may be taken away from them. Yet there has always been the belief that Sydney has too NRL many clubs, and relocating one might be what is best for Sydney, the NRL, the new city, and the club itself.
The AFL have used all three expansion strategies well.

Their decision to grant Port Adelaide entry into the league was an example of ‘fishing where the fish are’, as Port was one of the strongest Aussie Rules clubs in Australia even before its first AFL season in 1997.

The Greater Western Sydney Giants, and to a lesser extent, the Gold Coast Suns, are both the products of a ‘build it, and they will come’ strategy.

And lastly, the Swans move from South Melbourne to Sydney, and the Brisbane Bears/Fitzroy Lions to Brisbane Lions relocation/merger, whilst both executed some time ago now, are still examples of the AFL doing things right when it comes to expansion.

When the egos are finally put aside to form the Independent Commission, they should continue to push their egos under the table and admit that the AFL does a lot of things right.

If the NRL is serious about toppling the AFL, it needs to beat them at their own game: aggressive growth through expansion.

Deciding on expansion should be an easy decision. Deciding where will be a little more complex.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/05/06/the-only-way-the-nrl-can-topple-the-afl-expansion/

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The AFL has a vision, and it steadfastly sticks to it, despite any criticism.

Exactly you don't see the AFL putting another team outside of Geelong...

Why should the NRL put one between Sydney & Newcastle, when there are better long term options on the table.
 
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Exactly you don't see the AFL putting another team outside of Geelong...

Why should the NRL put one between Sydney & Newcastle, when there are better long term options on the table.

Because that one between Sydney & Newcastle has the support, has the resources, has the backing, has the infrastructure, has the sponsors and corporate support, has the community backing.....

That one between Sydney & Newcastle have also managed to tap into North Sydney's/North Shore's corporate sector due to the historical "Bears" brand, whilst at the same time establishing a Central Coast-side.

Commitment, dedication and hard work are words that ooze out of the Central Coast Bears bid. Well supported, well funded, well prepared are others.
 
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