Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[BuffaloRules]

Why is it so important to you? Just wondering, you've never supported the bid and you wanting to know the in details of such a thing has no relevance other than trolling. Are you an accountant? Or rugby league economist? Are you a property valuer? Maybe you work for Abi group or the council? How do you expect us the get the details short of sending a formal request to see Norths finances from over a decade ago? The $5-6mil was reported by people associated with Norths from that same period.

This whole thing started with the claim that the Bears " built Gosford Stadium" which is clearly not correct.

Then a claim was made that they contributed $5-6m. The statement was made, and now we have to take your word that it was "reported by people associated with Norths".

How much of your arguments are based on what you blokes have heard and alleged inside knowledge?

If you blokes are associated with the bid in any formal capacity, then you have no hope as eventually you have to provide some hard facts, and not rely on Chinese whispers and innuendo.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

This whole thing started with the claim that the Bears " built Gosford Stadium" which is clearly not correct.

Then a claim was made that they contributed $5-6m. The statement was made, and now we have to take your word that it was "reported by people associated with Norths".

How much of your arguments are based on what you blokes have heard and alleged inside knowledge?

If you blokes are associated with the bid in any formal capacity, then you have no hope as eventually you have to provide some hard facts, and not rely on Chinese whispers and innuendo.

Why would anyone involved formally with the bid be here on this forum? We get told what is revealed, the Bears family is a very transparent one. We did build Bluetongue, we have stakes/shares and playing rights. We have Bears spelled on the bloody seats. The stadium was built for the single purpose of the Bears playing out of it once relocation became the goal. Lobbying while in talks of relocation was obviously made to secure a home ground in proposed area and of course the funds to build it. Contractually it's evident that the Bears had to pay some of the %.

The stadium is built but it all started with the initial relocation and lobbying before it. Funds had to be spent on various things. From construction, to marketing, to up keep and maintence. Not forgetting the actual relocation phase of moving offices up there. Whilst some of that didnt physically happen due to the merger the money was still spent for it to occur.

Now, I'm comfortable with the position of what I know. Beowulf is comfortable with it. Only people that aren't is you and hillbilly. So what I suggest is, you go find out for yourself. Why would we waste our time on 2 dudes who have been nothing short of critical and at times unreasonable? If its so important to know details from 15 years ago, get off the Internet hop in your car and go to Norths leagues.

 

[BuffaloRules]

A link has already been provided.

Unless you can provide another one then as far as I'm concerned case closed.

 

[The Great Dane]

I would agree with you if there was direction from the ARLC indicating that the CC is a dead end. The bid team are meeting the ARLC soon and no doubt will ask for clarification. While ever they say we're a great chance, no reason to alter the model.

If you were running a large competition like the NRL would you be willing to dishearten a lot paying customers and potentially lose a fair amount of profit? No you wouldn't.

Though I agree with you that ARLC should be more clear and open about the direction in which expansion is going they cannot afford to be (in their point of view). The bid teams create publicity for the game which in turn creates interest in the competition which then leads to higher ratings and more tickets and merchandise sold.

My point is that it is in the ARLCs interest to keep the bid teams that have no hope of getting a team around for as long as possible because it helps creates interest in the game.

I bet that when the bid team next meets with the ARLC that they are no more clear about the direction of expansion then they have ever been, but the Bears will come away from the meeting feeling like they still have a chance of getting in to the comp.

I do agree though that we should have a plan B, as the word of RL admin mean nothing to a Bears fan. Playing devils advocate I agree QLD would make sense given the links in the 80's & 90's with QLD....Bears are involved in both Bombers and Rockhampton bids so perhaps informal chats have taken place should the need arise?

Rockhampton would just put us in the same position that we are in now except we would be in Queensland, the plan B has to be Brisbane (preferably), Perth or Adelaide and it needs to be put into affect now because the time for plan B was years ago.

 

[Beowulf]

Why would anyone involved formally with the bid be here on this forum? We get told what is revealed, the Bears family is a very transparent one. We did build Bluetongue, we have stakes/shares and playing rights. We have Bears spelled on the bloody seats. The stadium was built for the single purpose of the Bears playing out of it once relocation became the goal. Lobbying while in talks of relocation was obviously made to secure a home ground in proposed area and of course the funds to build it. Contractually it's evident that the Bears had to pay some of the %.

The stadium is built but it all started with the initial relocation and lobbying before it. Funds had to be spent on various things. From construction, to marketing, to up keep and maintence. Not forgetting the actual relocation phase of moving offices up there. Whilst some of that didnt physically happen due to the merger the money was still spent for it to occur.

Now, I'm comfortable with the position of what I know. Beowulf is comfortable with it. Only people that aren't is you and hillbilly. So what I suggest is, you go find out for yourself. Why would we waste our time on 2 dudes who have been nothing short of critical and at times unreasonable? If its so important to know details from 15 years ago, get off the Internet hop in your car and go to Norths leagues.

Red&BlackBear = 100% correct. The fact a few opponents of the bid don't like/disagree is of no concern as it doesn't suit their agenda. The Bears spent well over the $3m they were planning on spending due to circumstances outlined earlier. If it was only $3m, there would never have been the cash flow problem and they would have met any criteria and no administrator would have been appointed. QED.

 

[Clarke]

I'm not trying to come off rude, but just because the Bears put $3 million into a stadium is not a reason to let them into the competition again!

The Bears playing a part in the construction of Bluetongue was a good business decision made in a bad climate.
The Bears took a risk that if it payed off it would have put them in a great position, but it didn't pay off and some could argue that if the Bears did not take that risk they could still be around today, but that is neither here nor there.

The Bears and their supporters (myself included) need to wake up to themselves and realise that the Central Coast is a dead end for the Bears, if the Bears want to give themselves every opportunity of getting back into the NRL then they need to relocate to somewhere where ARLC wants a team and at the moment that is not in NSW.

I realise that for many fans this is very sad but it is what it is, either we go where there is opportunity or we slowly wither and die were we are, we have to adapt to survive.

In relation to the bold part - can you provide a source to back this firm statement please?

Looks great on a soccer jersey. The V looks better on an NRL jersey.

Subjective

 

[The Great Dane]

In relation to the bold part - can you provide a source to back this firm statement please?

No I can't, read my latter post as it partly explains why I came to this conclusion .

The other reason that I come to this conclusion is that I don't think that the Central Coast is high on the ARLCs list of places that need teams, I think that quite a few cities are higher on their list of spots on the map that need dots then the Central Coast.

Of course I could be wrong about all of this and it is only my opinion, but I am pretty sure that I am not wrong. If you had to pick two teams that would be in the best interests of the competition to include into the competition which would you honestly pick? Cut all emotions and biased from the decision and just pick the two that would be the most sustainable and would garner the most extra TV money for when the next deal comes around, I bet that the Bears make the grade on sustainability but fall down on the TV money. It's unfortunate but that's the way I see it.

 

[byrner]

Listen to all of you discussing somrthing you have no idea about.
The ARLC want this; TV rights will be better if we have that team; they are fiancially stable... Blah blah blah.
You are all talking out of ur arse and then cover yourselves with, but thats only my opinion!

One thing most of us have in common is that we want the game to expand. Now stop fighting in hypotheticals about which bid is better than the other and start talking about how to help the bids get into the game.

 

[***MH***]

Central Coast will have the biggest Red and Black experience this weekend at Bluetounge in a long time, albeit without the Bears.

 

[bobmar28]

The last thing the NRL needs right now is an 11th NSW team. Expansion means expanding to states or cities that have no team. Or in the case of QLD ... Not enough.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/crime-of-the-absent-mariners-20130225-2f116.html

 

[The Great Dane]

Listen to all of you discussing something you have no idea about.
The ARLC want this; TV rights will be better if we have that team; they are financially stable... Blah blah blah.
You are all talking out of ur arse and then cover yourselves with, but that's only my opinion!

One thing most of us have in common is that we want the game to expand. Now stop fighting in hypotheticals about which bid is better than the other and start talking about how to help the bids get into the game.

That is pretty much what we are trying to deduce here, how the Bears would have the best opportunity to get into the game.

When talking about something that hasn't happened yet and may not happen at all you have to assess hypothetical theories such as the ones being discussed here.

 

[Clarke]

No I can't, read my latter post as it partly explains why I came to this conclusion .

The other reason that I come to this conclusion is that I don't think that the Central Coast is high on the ARLCs list of places that need teams, I think that quite a few cities are higher on their list of spots on the map that need dots then the Central Coast.

Of course I could be wrong about all of this and it is only my opinion, but I am pretty sure that I am not wrong. If you had to pick two teams that would be in the best interests of the competition to include into the competition which would you honestly pick? Cut all emotions and biased from the decision and just pick the two that would be the most sustainable and would garner the most extra TV money for when the next deal comes around, I bet that the Bears make the grade on sustainability but fall down on the TV money. It's unfortunate but that's the way I see it.

Ok thank you, just confirming your post is only opinion based.

The last thing the NRL needs right now is an 11th NSW team. Expansion means expanding to states or cities that have no team. Or in the case of QLD ... Not enough.

In relation to the bold part - can you provide a source to back this firm statement please?

 

[tumbidragon]

Speaking of the Central coast. What would happen to the Wyong Roos (recently admitted into NSW cup) if the Bears bid is accepted into the NRL? Would they become a feeder for the Bears? They are a very well established and wealthy club.

 

[Henri Cartier-Bresson]

Speaking of the Central coast. What would happen to the Wyong Roos (recently admitted into NSW cup) if the Bears bid is accepted into the NRL? Would they become a feeder for the Bears? They are a very well established and wealthy club.

Knowing the Wyong Roos, they will have designs on winning the NRL franchise with the Central Coast Bears as their feeder team. :sarcasm:

 

[tumbidragon]

Knowing the Wyong Roos, they will have designs on winning the NRL franchise with the Central Coast Bears as their feeder team. :sarcasm:

That's what I was eluding to They are very well off. But they just don't have the brand power the Bears can bring to the table. Think we will see some interesting times ahead here on the coast

 

[Henri Cartier-Bresson]

Just like to draw attention to a rarely mentioned biproduct of NORTHS and the Council upgrading Grahame Park. The Gosford Townies, a proud and historically very successful Central Coast club died as a direct result.
And as much as I feel for the old Norths supporters and the loss they've endured, it's kind of ironic that the Townies were tossed aside without much concern shown by anyone south of Woy Woy.
Perhaps the CC Bears could pump some dosh into the Gosford Kariong Junior Club in an attempt to get that club, the last remaining drop of the old Townies bloodline back up into the senior competition. Might be a nice touch.

 

[bobmar28]

Ok thank you, just confirming your post is only opinion based.



In relation to the bold part - can you provide a source to back this firm statement please?

In relation to the statement that NSW does not need an 11th team my source is....Blind Freddy.

 

[Beowulf]

In relation to the statement that NSW does not need an 11th team my source is....Blind Freddy.

NSW needs another team only if the opportunity cost of not adding them is greater than the cost of adding them.

Its the Bears contention that the game will be stronger with the addition of the Bears than without it due to increased rivalries with traditional and local rivals (not just crowds but merchandise/membership increases like Roosters benefitting from Souths readmission), and regaining the thousands (over 40000 according to D Gallop) lost to the game such as me with no Bears....plus new fans to the game with easy access to a local team playing in a local stadium. FTA and Fox watching is down in northern Sydney/CC, hence less revenue for the game is being generated.

They therefore obviously do provide value and are sustainable - its the ARLC and not you or any troll on here that will decide if 2 other bids are as sustainable and provide so much more revenue oportunities to justify harming league in the cc BEars catchment area.

None will be as sustainable from the simple fact the stadium, members, fan base are proven and existing, the Bears have 100+ years of experience running a top flight team with existing feeder competitions in place, have brand awareness/identity/support particularly in QLD and low cost access to most other teams/fans from Sydney etc means low risk. The moral dimension is a factor (or should be) also - redressing a wrong.

Therefore the ARLC must decide if any 2 other bids are almost as sustainable but provide far greater revenue opportunities....and even then, they must decide is the CC/northern Sydney worth abandoning. This is the only opportunity to enter a Bears CC team - any other start up team on the Coast will have less funding, less support, less brand awareness etc etc....and any relocated team will have less awareness on the coast and won't engage with northern Sydney.

 

[firechild]

Its the Bears contention that the game will be stronger with the addition of the Bears than without it due to increased rivalries with traditional and local rivals (not just crowds but merchandise/membership increases like Roosters benefitting from Souths readmission), and regaining the thousands (over 40000 according to D Gallop) lost to the game such as me with no Bears...

They may have lost 40,000 but I doubt anywhere near that number will come back to the game with the CC Bears coming in. There are still many Wests, Balmain and even Manly fans that have been lost to the game never to return because of the mergers. I have no doubt that many NS fans will have no interest in a CC side that shares the same moniker.