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Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

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Red&BlackBear

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You know full well when I made that statement the map on the bears website showed them claiming a large slab of our territory.

I emailed them and they amended their map.

Yet more Bears arrogance on display.

Again, we are not "afraid" of picking up 2 points and laughing at hick coasties twice a year. We are afraid of picking up tetnus on the annual trip to Gosford, though.

Only arrogance I see is from one of the only dillusional Knights supporters called macavity.

By the way look at the affiliated club lists
CENTRAL COAST

Central Coast Division Rugby League WEBSITE

Central Coast Division Junior Rugby League WEBSITE

Berkley Vale Panthers WEBSITE

Blue Haven Raiders WEBSITE

Budgewoi / Buff Point Bulldogs WEBSITE

Central Wyong Razorbacks WEBSITE

The Entrance Tigers WEBSITE

Erina Eagles WEBSITE

Gosford Kariong Storm WEBSITE

Kincumber Colts WEBSITE

Northern Lakes Warriors WEBSITE

Ourimbah / Wyoming Magpies WEBSITE

St Eddies Bears WEBSITE

Terrigal Wamberal Sharks WEBSITE

Toukley Hawks WEBSITE

Umina Beach Bunnies WEBSITE

Warnervale Bulls WEBSITE

Woy Woy Roosters WEBSITE

Wyong Roos WEBSITE


NORTH SYDNEY

North Sydney District Junior Rugby League WEBSITE

Asquith Magpies WEBSITE

Berowra Wallabies WEBSITE

Hills Hawks WEBSITE

North Sydney Brothers WEBSITE

Pennant Hills / Cherrybrook Stags WEBSITE

Willoughby Roos WEBSITE


See that Woy Woy affiliated to the Central Coast & not Newcastle.. are the residents of Woy Woy arrogant now? Is everyone who wears red & black and just want their team up and running arrogant for loving footy? Is Brisbane 2 taking shots at other bids through the media not arrogant but the Central Coast Bears who are doing their job, keeping their head down working hard, signing members, engaging the community arrogant?
 
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blukablu

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Unfortantely for you, the Central Coast Bears bid is very water tight. Meaning that we are truly ready to field a team in 2013 and have all operations up and running fulltime by the end of the year if need be. Unlike Brisbane 2, we have the sponsorship dollars and corporate support already. We have the fan base and business model ready. Brisbane 2 is nothing but a chalk board plan at the moment. The Central Coast Bears are the real deal. You think sponsors (ANY SPONSORS not just CCBEARS sponsors) are going to wait around for 4 years? We have the means to bring revenue into the game, the means to add to the NRL pie. We're bringing new sponsors and money into the game. We have the community support and the juniors support. Keep ignoring these cold hard facts all you want. But there's 188 pages worth of them in the thread, provided by yours truly.

Brisbane 2 bid has close to $10 million worth of sponsorship lined up.
 

macavity

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I was talking to Timbob, R&BB.


Still there is plenty of arrogance and petulance illuminating from your posts. Maybe you should detest yourself?

where? pointing out your arrogance is arrogant now?

So it's funny to assume that the Central Coast Bears cannot reach out to the 1.3million population within their catchment yet it's foreseeable that the Brisbane 2 and Perth bids will?

1.3 million now? on this trajectory, by the time you are admitted your catchment will be 50 billion.

Come on now, the CCBears have a better chance at signing up and bringing back many of these people then the other 2 bids. That is off the back of actually engaging the community.

are these people like Timmah who have said they won't support the Bears?

Unfortantely for you, the Central Coast Bears bid is very water tight.

Good for you. Unfortnately for you, the commission will likely judge bids on what they will add to the competition, and their impact on other clubs.

In my opinion you come in 3rd, maybe 4th if NZ2 can put together a sound business model. Note - my opinion only. I don't assert opinion as fact like some bulldog supporting coasties do.

Do you? Because last time I checked there was no Newcastle reserves team and the CRL asked you too? No, more like the Knights at the time didn't have the funds not to do so.

huh?

The CRL asked us to field a CC NSW cup side. I don't know what the hell you are actually trying to say here.

Manly & Newcastle do have NRL teams with regions of their own junior pools. Yet are more settled in pinching the resources from the Central Coast without giving back?

huh?

We want to give opportunities to kids from our entire catchment, which stretches from Woy Woy to Coffs.

We are the only NRL team in this area, and we want to give kids a pathway to the NRL.

You act like that is some sort of horrible thing to do. That is exactly the arrogance and petulance I am talking about - the notion that if kids from the CC can't play NRL for the Bears, they shouldn't be offered an NRL pathway at all. Punish everyone because you want to chuck a tantrum.

Last time I checked the people of Woy Woy considered themselves to be part of the Central Coast. That's before we get into football.

Last time I checked, the Central Coast didn't have an NRL club. Again, we want to give opportunities to kids from our entire catchment. We look after a very large geographical area.

So sponsors who spent a mint in trying to get a team to get up, representing a community they want to invest in.. if the CCBEARS don't get in they'll just say "oh well let's go to Newcastle?"..

True league fans would hope that sponsors are never lost to the game.

No, I'll tell you from a business point of view what they'll say "The NRL don't want us even after we spent this amount of $$.. then we'll go support a team in another code which actually wants us".

More petulance. If I hear one more time that "if the Bears don't get in the Central Coast will be lost to AFL/Soccer/Union/Tiddlywinks" I will scream.

So the Knights have done more on the CC now then the Bears because of the centurions which by your own admission was CRL's idea not Newcastles?

The Knights offer more of an NRL pathway than the Bears do. That is my only claim.

The Bears have by all accounts done a heap of community work on the CC. It is easy to focus on community work when that is pretty much your entire focus because you don't have an NRL team to run.

Newcastle who have their merchandise sold through out the CC.

It is, believe it or not!

Newcastle who are building the CC Sports of Excellence Center.

I am sure if we could convince the govt to throw slush money at us we would happuly do that.

Like I said you may not be a supporter but from a hating point of view you have just as much arrogance and petulance as anyone else in here. Unfortunately your so caught up in telling yourself you're correct that you fail to see it. It's quite hilarious.

I give you facts and opinions. I play I straight. Your mob are the ones carrying on like idiots.
 

Red&BlackBear

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Brisbane 2 bid has close to $10 million worth of sponsorship lined up.

Lined up? Mate, the Central Coast Bears have much more then that already pumping through the system and going into important things such as membership drives, merchandise, community festivals, football operations, marketing...

Please don't confuse maybe's with it's already happened, it's been banked, it's available right now again.
 

Red&BlackBear

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One more time for the stupid.

YOUR ORIGINAL MAP CLAIMED A SLAB OF OUR JUNIOR AREA.

Lol. So if they changed their map which I never said they did/didn't, how is this arrogant? Isn't it arrogant by not changing it? Matter of fact by changing the map on the behalf of Knights fans it's actually the complete opposite of arrogance.
 

macavity

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It was arrogant to claim our area to start with.

I will say it again.

If they were serious about what is best for footy, the first thing they would have done is pick up the phone and call the Knights. They still haven't.
 

blukablu

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So it's funny to assume that the Central Coast Bears cannot reach out to the 1.3million population within their catchment yet it's foreseeable that the Brisbane 2 and Perth bids will? Come on now, the CCBears have a better chance at signing up and bringing back many of these people then the other 2 bids. That is off the back of actually engaging the community.

I'm sure they will for the short-term future but nowhere near 1.3 million. For long-term growth Brisbane2 and Perth will attract more fans than the Bears can ever hope to.

Hmm..

Brisbane2 - Based in a city with a population of 2 million and a catchment of 3 million. Also the fastest growing region in Australia. Best option for TV deal. Also best Rugby League stadium in the world.

Perth - Based in a city with a population of 1.7 million with a catchment of about 2 million. Booming economy. Second best option for TV deal

CC - Based in a city with a population 150,000 so called catchment that grows every time a Bears fan opens his mouth to a now estimated 1.3 million. More like 700,000 at the most. sh*tty option for TV deal.
 

blukablu

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Lined up? Mate, the Central Coast Bears have much more then that already pumping through the system and going into important things such as membership drives, merchandise, community festivals, football operations, marketing...

Please don't confuse maybe's with it's already happened, it's been banked, it's available right now again.

Um.. The majority of your corporate dollars is going towards buying/owning the team.

Memberships at $20 a pop big whoop. I bet majority of the people who brought them just wanted to win the XBOX. The Bears memberships are similar to the guys you see in shopping centres selling tickets to go into a raffle to win some sh*tty prize except the Bears is cheaper.
 

Red&BlackBear

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I was talking to Timbob,
R&BB.


where? pointing out your arrogance is arrogant now? No, just stating that you yourself are an arrogant man however it't not because you're a support but rather a naysayer. Still the core elements of what represents arrogance clearly illuminates from your posts/replies.

1.3 million now? on this trajectory, by the time you are admitted your catchment will be 50 billion. What can I say? The area is growing. The numbers are between 1.1m and 1.35m officially. If you're upset about it then post up signs telling people to stop migrating to the NS/CC

are these people like Timmah who have said they won't support the Bears?
People can support who they want, when they want. However having a home team is an advantage both financially for a supporter and the fact they can see them play most weekends. The Central Coast Bears have done an immaculate job so far in engaging the community hence the positive feedback and growing fan base.


Good for you. Unfortnately for you, the commission will likely judge bids on what they will add to the competition, and their impact on other clubs. We add to the competition. Again check the last 189 pages. Check all the media clippings, all the interviews, all the information Ive posted over the last 2 years. Brisbane 2 will impact on the Titans and Broncos more so then the Bears will impact on Manly & Newcastle. Proven in the first 3 months of the bids conception with the relative ease that sponsors and corporate supporters came to join the bid. All which took nothing away from Newcastle & Manly.

In my opinion you come in 3rd, maybe 4th if NZ2 can put together a sound business model. Note - my opinion only. I don't assert opinion as fact like some bulldog supporting coasties do.
Our business model is better than sound. Better then what you could possibly imagine. Don't mistake confidence for satisfaction with a great job done. Our business model really is superb and better than what I personally expected. If all these teams are coming in then it makes most sense to introduce them when their ready. We're ready now. The majority of opinion agrees with me not you. Check the polls, check the replies, heck go out in the people and ask them. You are in the minority.

huh?

The CRL asked us to field a CC NSW cup side. I don't know what the hell you are actually trying to say here.
I'm saying that if the Knights had the funds to fund their own reserve side in Newcasstle they would. By going to the CC they cut the costs because the CRL has been throwing it's own money at the Centurions. Newcastle did it for convenience not because it was worried about the local rugby league supporters of the CC.

huh?

We want to give opportunities to kids from our entire catchment, which stretches from Woy Woy to Coffs.
Again Woy Woy residents classify themselves as Central Coast people. Woy Woy RL has affiliated itself with the Central Coast Bears & CCDRL. You take it for what it's worth. I'll take it for what it is.

We are the only NRL team in this area, and we want to give kids a pathway to the NRL.
You can't give every kid on the CC on top of Newcastle a pathway. You need a local team for that. A local team that the kids and their families can venture to see play every other weekend. A local team filled with local heroes. A local team which gives back to their community. The Central Coast Bears provide this.

You act like that is some sort of horrible thing to do. That is exactly the arrogance and petulance I am talking about - the notion that if kids from the CC can't play NRL for the Bears, they shouldn't be offered an NRL pathway at all. Punish everyone because you want to chuck a tantrum.
I'm not chucking a tantrum but why would a sponsor want to be affiliated with a competition which rubbished their support for a bid? Why would residents who had their bid turned down support another team? Most will just keep supporting the local rugby league scene, state of origin and Australia and that's it.


Last time I checked, the Central Coast didn't have an NRL club. Again, we want to give opportunities to kids from our entire catchment. We look after a very large geographical area.
Last time I check the Central Coast had a great NRL bid aiming to establish a club for the locals within our region and give kids in our catchment area a chance to play in the big league with the option of staying close to home. 7700 juniors can't be wrong. Newcastle look after their area, Central Coast look after ours.



True league fans would hope that sponsors are never lost to the game.
But they will be. It's inevitable that someone is gonna get the sh*ts. Considering how much our sponsors have invested in the Central Coast Bears and operating my own family business, I completely see their point.


More petulance. If I hear one more time that "if the Bears don't get in the Central Coast will be lost to AFL/Soccer/Union/Tiddlywinks" I will scream.
No, it's the truth. The junior comps will go on but without a clear NRL presence then it's a smorgasboard for other codes. When one competitor closes down, others come in. That's simply the way the business world works.


The Knights offer more of an NRL pathway than the Bears do. That is my only claim.
At this very moment, yes. But you wait.


The Bears have by all accounts done a heap of community work on the CC. It is easy to focus on community work when that is pretty much your entire focus because you don't have an NRL team to run.
The Bears have had to convince many organizations that the rewards of the Central Coast Bears RL team can offer. It's harder to sway in new fans then older fans. It's harder to engage in a community without a team then it is with a team. Second part of this statement you made is baloney. It's all hard work regardless. Thank the volunteers and tireless supporters for the efforts achieved.



It is, believe it or not!
I am sure if we could convince the govt to throw slush money at us we would happuly do that.
We still had to help fund the stadium. Convince the government to build it around the time they were already building the Olympic stadiums. Still had to finance the complete relocation of our head quarters (which has been where it was since 1908). You act like the Bears only came into the comp when the Knights did...

I give you facts and opinions. I play I straight. Your mob are the ones carrying on like idiots.
You don't have facts. I have facts. Beowulf has facts. We are the ones who have made it our lives to see that this Central Coast Bears bid is successful. Donating time to volunteer, to stay up to date on progress, to keep in contact with the bid team. You may have opinions but nothing you said has been fact.

If you honestly think you know more about the Central Coast Bears then I do or Beowulf does then, well it's time to use your arrogant and petulance card again.
 

Red&BlackBear

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Um.. The majority of your corporate dollars is going towards buying/owning the team.

Memberships at $20 a pop big whoop. I bet majority of the people who brought them just wanted to win the XBOX. The Bears memberships are similar to the guys you see in shopping centres selling tickets to go into a raffle to win some sh*tty prize except the Bears is cheaper.

The majority of the Central Coast Bears money is also going into owning the team but with a different structure that allows the community to also own a part of it a'la Green Bay Packers set up.

The majority of memberships sold have been the $80 as they cover memberships until 2013. We have sold a few $20 too I admitt but even if they were all $20 thats still 5700x20 = $114,000. I guess the people also bought merchandise for the xbox? Or tell their friends and families to join up as members to have a better chance at the xbox? Maybe we should get sponsorship from Xbox?:roll:

However you clearly still haven't got a clue about how my club is structured, how the bid is going or how much equity we have. As I suggested before re-check this thread and go back and browse through the pages to get yourself up to date.

You don't have to agree or believe me when I say the Central Coast Bears are in a very healthy financial position. So much so, that other bids have at least acknowledged us on that front. You choose to believe what you want to believe. I know the real deal, I make it my business to know.
 

Red&BlackBear

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It was arrogant to claim our area to start with.

I will say it again.

If they were serious about what is best for footy, the first thing they would have done is pick up the phone and call the Knights. They still haven't.

Again, if they changed the map then how is that arrogant? If Newcastle did the same thing it'd be a simple mistake which was fixed upon someone mentioning it. The Central Coast do it and it's arrogance. Please, keep reaching though.:roll:
 

Red&BlackBear

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I'm sure they will for the short-term future but nowhere near 1.3 million. For long-term growth Brisbane2 and Perth will attract more fans than the Bears can ever hope to.

Hmm..

Brisbane2 - Based in a city with a population of 2 million and a catchment of 3 million. Also the fastest growing region in Australia. Best option for TV deal. Also best Rugby League stadium in the world.

Perth - Based in a city with a population of 1.7 million with a catchment of about 2 million. Booming economy. Second best option for TV deal

CC - Based in a city with a population 150,000 so called catchment that grows every time a Bears fan opens his mouth to a now estimated 1.3 million. More like 700,000 at the most. sh*tty option for TV deal.

So everyone in all those 3 cities are suddendly going to watch football? Lol. If it were based on that then clearly the CC is the better option as its guaranteed that people will actually give a damn about the NRL (as opposed to Perth) and not be snobby because a QLD team isn't playing (as opposed to Brisbane 2). I'm also a true maroon Queenslander, I can say this because it's very true.

By the way the Central Coast has a population of 315,000 and North Shore is between 810,000 & 950,000. But keep undermining us for your own goals (whatever they may be). The CCBears mention the catchment as a whole but realistically we know what numbers we are after. No point in saying how many people you have if most don't give a rats ass about NRL or if they even want a team or not. At least with the CC you know the majority of people love their footy and want a local team.
 
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Red&BlackBear

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The majority of the Central Coast Bears money is also going into owning the team but with a different structure that allows the community to also own a part of it a'la Green Bay Packers set up.


:?

How will the model proposed so far be anything like the Green Bay Packers model?
Lack of a dominant owner, majority owned by the community and the fans. Sponsors and corporate partners are very important but the shareholders (the community) is just as, if not more important. Very similar to the Green Bay Packers ownership structure. It was stated when the bid launched that the Central Coast Bears had taken elements from the GB Packers, Chicago Bears and their own innovations when blueprinting the ownership model. Final details when the bid is submitted ofcourse.

Hope that answered you?
 
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BuffaloRules

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How will members of the community and fans purchase shares?

Isnt Ken Sayer planning to be majority owner?

Will all profits that the Bears make be given away to charity like the Packers do?
 

Red&BlackBear

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How will members of the community and fans purchase shares?

Isnt Ken Sayer planning to be majority owner?

Will all profits that the Bears make be given away to charity like the Packers do?

Like I said there's elements of the Green Bay Packers, Chiacago Bears and our own innovations. There was originally just Mortage House as the company, which is our jersey and main sponsor for 3 years. It wasn't until recently that Mr. Ken Sayer, who is also on the Central Coast Bears board proposed to under write the bid for a sum of $10m.

Before that the members were mailed out forms to test the waters about possibly investing into the bid and owning a share in the team in a non-profit organization (a'la Green Bay Packers). I believe that is how Mr. Sayers initial proposal came to be. However there has been changes and the final structure will be handed in with the bid.
 

BuffaloRules

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What Ive seen proposed is nothing like the Green Bay Packers model as there appears to be a majority owner ( which you yourself have alluded to earlier and as I have quoted your comments above...)

Anyway I've got a feeling that its all going to be a moot point when expansion is decided....
 

Red&BlackBear

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Mate - you are dead set contradicting yourself...

is the community or Ken Sayer going to be the majority owner?

Yeah, he wants to be but there is still very much the presence of the community ownership.

What Ive seen proposed is nothing like the Green Bay Packers model as there appears to be a majority owner ( which you yourself have alluded to earlier and as I have quoted your comments above...)

Anyway I've got a feeling that its all going to be a moot point when expansion is decided....

What one man desires to be and what one man actually is are too completely different things. Like I said the final details are in the bid. But from what I have seen they had the a model built around the Packers, C.Bears and their own twist to it very much in the frame.

But, Agree. It'll be the numbers and stats which the NRL and the I.C. will review. I'm positive that the Central Coast Bears bid is doing everything it can to have the best possible bid. Members, infrastucture, community support, bringing back and in new fans, putting bums on seats, bringing sponsors into the game, creating revenue for the NRL and nearing teams, be self sustainable and increasing TV ratings will all be covered.
 
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