Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[Perth Red]

A hypothetical so don't shoot me!

If the Brisbane2 bid is the preferred choice and the NRL wants true expansion by moving to Perth would a merger between the Reds and the Bears bids be viable? It wouldn;t be my preferred choice and I'd be very wary of a NSW club moving here but I could see it would kill three birds with one stone. Would be another kick in the guts ofr RL fans on the CC but could pay huge rewards for both teh Bears and for RL in WA.

What are peoples thoughts?

 

[Timmah]

I was responding to gallagher sorry PR, not you

 

[gallagher]

Obviously?

Queensland just got expansion, Perth is an absolute must, and the next strongest bid is clearly the Bears.

There's nothing sure about any Queensland bids, given they're all in varying stages of infancy.

I meant obvious that they would not accept 2 bids from Qld at this stage. You were alluding to QLD having an oversupply.

 

[_MayMoo 2]

A hypothetical so don't shoot me!

If the Brisbane2 bid is the preferred choice and the NRL wants true expansion by moving to Perth would a merger between the Reds and the Bears bids be viable? It wouldn;t be my preferred choice and I'd be very wary of a NSW club moving here but I could see it would kill three birds with one stone. Would be another kick in the guts ofr RL fans on the CC but could pay huge rewards for both teh Bears and for RL in WA.

What are peoples thoughts?

After the Bears missed out in 05 I could have maybe lived with that, and supported it.

Since then however (starting in late 08), the NRL have actively encouraged the Bears to form a compelling case for inclusion as the Central Coast team, thus instigating massive membership drives and grassroot community groundswells, sponsorships etc.

Your idea would only be an option "NOW" if the NRL backflipped and decided they really don't want a CC team. They have allready stated that it makes sense for a CC team to be linked to the adjoining North Shore of Sydney and that the CC is the obvious next target for expansion.

It would not only be a kick in the guts to CC RL fans but to be honest a lot of Bears fans who are behind this bid and based on the North Shore.
I couldn't see many saying "Oh Well, Perth Bears, Yeah OK"

It would be like robbing Peter of 100.00 to pay Paul 20.00 and I can't see the NRL being that stupid.

To most who realise what a success the CC Bears will be as a powerhouse club and what it represents it would be a very silly idea indeed.

 

[Beowulf]

A hypothetical so don't shoot me!

If the Brisbane2 bid is the preferred choice and the NRL wants true expansion by moving to Perth would a merger between the Reds and the Bears bids be viable? It wouldn;t be my preferred choice and I'd be very wary of a NSW club moving here but I could see it would kill three birds with one stone. Would be another kick in the guts ofr RL fans on the CC but could pay huge rewards for both teh Bears and for RL in WA.

What are peoples thoughts?

Won't happen, but some lateral thinking should always be applauded!

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

That may be the case, but bad luck for them. The IC will have business sense the game has needed for decades.

CC's best chance will come when a Sydney team dies. And not before.

Oink !

If you say so....

 

[macavity]

"From a commercial point of view, we don't see ourselves impacting on any other clubs,"

Has anyone asked them?

 

[Timmah]

:lol: The old Newcastle fear angle.

mac, have you clarified your bogus statement about the Bears "stealing Knights junior territory"?

 

[BDGS]

:lol: The old Newcastle fear angle.

mac, have you clarified your bogus statement about the Bears "stealing Knights junior territory"?

The Bears won't affected the Knights at all.

Especially after the take over.

 

[Beowulf]

The Bears won't affected the Knights at all.

Especially after the take over.

The Knights really have no local derby at present - I bet the fans and the Knights bankers would be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of a local rivalry similar to Jets v Mariners - both teams benefit, plus the Knights fans only have a 1 hr drive to an away game.

 

[Beowulf]

Has anyone asked them?

Don't have to - the CC Bears are fully funded by sponsors wanting to get on the Bears bandwagon - they haven't been 'stolen' from Manly or Newcastle.

What Flo actually should have said is there will only be positive impact, rather than no impact.

 

[CC_Roosters]

While I want the CC Bears in and think it will be mostly a positive move for the NRL i can see one problem. Assuming Perth are in and then CCB on top of that, there would be 18 teams, at that point we have to say do we have enough quality players to fill out a 19th and 20th team for further expansion without watering down the comp? If so great, if not what happens then? Do we stop expanding or force a sydney club to relocate.

I live on the northern part of the Central Coast, i'm not sure at all whether the CCB's have much traction up here and there are a lot of Knights fans around given its that bit closer to Newy so there would be instant competition for fans in this area. The fans of other clubs i have talked to are keen for the Bears to come back, but its whether that translates into bums on seats in Gosford as either neutrals or converts

 

[adamkungl]

While I want the CC Bears in and think it will be mostly a positive move for the NRL i can see one problem. Assuming Perth are in and then CCB on top of that, there would be 18 teams, at that point we have to say do we have enough quality players to fill out a 19th and 20th team for further expansion without watering down the comp? If so great, if not what happens then? Do we stop expanding or force a sydney club to relocate.

One of the aims of expansion should be to get more kids playing the game. Melbourne is hopefully close to finally bringing some quality through to the NRL. Perth already has, and with a new time would increase 'production' significantly. Also, with 2 more clubs there's a lot more money floating around the NRL keeping players in Australia rather than ESL/European or Japanese Rugby.

eventually we will have the quality for further expansion

 

[macavity]

:lol: The old Newcastle fear angle.

mac, have you clarified your bogus statement about the Bears "stealing Knights junior territory"?

You know full well when I made that statement the map on the bears website showed them claiming a large slab of our territory.

I emailed them and they amended their map.

Yet more Bears arrogance on display.

Again, we are not "afraid" of picking up 2 points and laughing at hick coasties twice a year. We are afraid of picking up tetnus on the annual trip to Gosford, though.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Hey Macavity,

Why do Newcastle use the Central Coast as a feeder club?

Why don't Newcastle use their resources in the Hunter region instead?

Why do Manly use Sunshine Coast as a feeder club?

Why don't Manly use their resources in the Northern Beaches instead?

If anyone is impacting commercially, it's Newcastle & Manly on the Central Coast.

Both teams have their own regions yet neglect their local competitions in favour of other areas.

Now the fact that the Central Coast Bears have their own sponsors, corporate support, junior base, supporters, reserve grade competitions and infrastructure clearly proves that they won't and don't impact on the Knights or Sea Eagles in any way, shape or form.

If Manly and Newcastle fans like yourself all of a sudden see a threat in the Central Coast Bears, then contact your own club and ask them why the hell they haven't given back into the local region.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

We are afraid of picking up tetnus on the annual trip to Gosford, though.

More afraid of picking up a dictionary - or an education.

Newcastle's biggest threat is not the CC Bears - it's your own managerial and financial incompetence where a one-town team can't take care of itself.

 

[macavity]

Hey Macavity,

Why do Newcastle use the Central Coast as a feeder club?

because the CRL asked us to.

Why don't Newcastle use their resources in the Hunter region instead?

we do.

If anyone is impacting commercially, it's Newcastle & Manly on the Central Coast.

:lol:

Newcastle and Manly have NRL clubs.

Both teams have their own regions yet neglect their local competitions in favour of other areas.

Newcastle do not neglect our region, which runs from Woy Woy to Coffs.

Now the fact that the Central Coast Bears have their own sponsors, corporate support, junior base, supporters, reserve grade competitions and infrastructure clearly proves that they won't and don't impact on the Knights or Sea Eagles in any way, shape or form.

Hopefully if/when the Bears are overlooked, those sponsors, etc will stick with Rugby League, with the team that represents Northern NSW - the Newcastle Knights.

If Manly and Newcastle fans like yourself all of a sudden see a threat in the Central Coast Bears, then contact your own club and ask them why the hell they haven't given back into the local region.

We have, greatly.

Not threatened, more offended.

It is reasonable to think that if the Bears wanted to look after an area the Knights have looked after for the past 10+ years, they would be looking to work with the Knights for a smooth transition. They are doing the exact opposite, due to arrogance and petulance.

 

[macavity]

More afraid of picking up a dictionary - or an education.

Newcastle's biggest threat is not the CC Bears - it's your own managerial and financial incompetence where a one-town team can't take care of itself.

I bow to your superior intellect.

You better not ever make a typo, though, or you will be back down with us geniuss.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

LOL @ you accusing anyone of making up "facts"

As for your assertion, I am not "afraid" of the Bears, and never have been.

I simply detest their supporters' arrogance and petulance.

You are exhibit 1.

I haven't made up any facts and provide them consistently. It's also hilarious that you detest the Central Coast Bears supporters arrogance and petulance yet you're doing the exact same thing however instead of being a supporter you are instead being a hater. Still there is plenty of arrogance and petulance illuminating from your posts. Maybe you should detest yourself?

:lol::lol::lol:

You Bears fans are ridiculous. Now over 15% of the entire population of NSW are bears fans? Considering the NRL would be lucky to get 50% of the population (of NSW) supporting it let alone just sport in general your numbers are way off.

By the way 1.1 million fans pretty much makes them the most popular sporting team in Australia of any code.

So it's funny to assume that the Central Coast Bears cannot reach out to the 1.3million population within their catchment yet it's foreseeable that the Brisbane 2 and Perth bids will? Come on now, the CCBears have a better chance at signing up and bringing back many of these people then the other 2 bids. That is off the back of actually engaging the community.

It's ridicolous to set goals? Achievements? Accomplishments? Do you think the Central Coast Bears bid is dicking around talking crappolla in the media now? Hell no, we are actually out in the community working our asses off. Be it the bid team and staff or the volunteers. You don't get much done by sitting around in the office talking to FoxSports while aiming darts at others bids now, do you?

This would be the best case scenario in the next 10-15 years..

1st Round - Perth, 2 Brisbane.
2st Round - Manly to Sunshine Coast. Bears and Wellington in.
3rd Round - Team to relocate to Adelaide.

Unfortantely for you, the Central Coast Bears bid is very water tight. Meaning that we are truly ready to field a team in 2013 and have all operations up and running fulltime by the end of the year if need be. Unlike Brisbane 2, we have the sponsorship dollars and corporate support already. We have the fan base and business model ready. Brisbane 2 is nothing but a chalk board plan at the moment. The Central Coast Bears are the real deal. You think sponsors (ANY SPONSORS not just CCBEARS sponsors) are going to wait around for 4 years? We have the means to bring revenue into the game, the means to add to the NRL pie. We're bringing new sponsors and money into the game. We have the community support and the juniors support. Keep ignoring these cold hard facts all you want. But there's 188 pages worth of them in the thread, provided by yours truly.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

because the CRL asked us to.



we do.




Newcastle and Manly have NRL clubs.



Newcastle do not neglect our region, which runs from Woy Woy to Coffs.



Hopefully if/when the Bears are overlooked, those sponsors, etc will stick with Rugby League, with the team that represents Northern NSW - the Newcastle Knights.



We have, greatly.

Not threatened, more offended.

It is reasonable to think that if the Bears wanted to look after an area the Knights have looked after for the past 10+ years, they would be looking to work with the Knights for a smooth transition. They are doing the exact opposite, due to arrogance and petulance.

Do you? Because last time I checked there was no Newcastle reserves team and the CRL asked you too? No, more like the Knights at the time didn't have the funds not to do so.

Manly & Newcastle do have NRL teams with regions of their own junior pools. Yet are more settled in pinching the resources from the Central Coast without giving back?

Last time I checked the people of Woy Woy considered themselves to be part of the Central Coast. That's before we get into football.

So sponsors who spent a mint in trying to get a team to get up, representing a community they want to invest in.. if the CCBEARS don't get in they'll just say "oh well let's go to Newcastle?".. No, I'll tell you from a business point of view what they'll say "The NRL don't want us even after we spent this amount of $$.. then we'll go support a team in another code which actually wants us".

So the Knights have done more on the CC now then the Bears because of the centurions which by your own admission was CRL's idea not Newcastles? I guess it was Newcastle who also chose to relocate to the CC. Newcastle who helped fund and build Bluetongue Stadium. Newcastle who have their merchandise sold through out the CC. Newcastle and their volunteers who hold weekly memberships drives on the CC. Newcastle who have the junior clubs of the CC affiliated to them. Newcastle who have programs involving local CC schools, coaching clinics and charities. Newcastle who are building the CC Sports of Excellence Center. Newcastle who invested millions upon millions of dollars on the CC.

Thanks for clearing all that up with me Macavity.:lol::lol::roll::lol::lol:

Like I said you may not be a supporter but from a hating point of view you have just as much arrogance and petulance as anyone else in here. Unfortunately your so caught up in telling yourself you're correct that you fail to see it. It's quite hilarious.