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Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

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Red&BlackBear

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http://www.batemansbaypost.com.au/b...h-gidney/float-anz-stadiums-boat/1896727.aspx

Bear lair

Speaking of stadiums, the Central Coast Bears have to be let back into the NRL if only so we can see more games at Blue Tongue Stadium at Gosford.

It’s such a pretty ground and has such atmosphere that it should be used every fortnight.

In an episode of South Park, Kevin Rudd look-alike Butters is put into a bear suit by Paris Hilton, and looks right at home in it, leading me to thinking that the Bears have a ready-made sideline mascot in our former PM.

“On behalf of the Central Coast, we say ‘sucked in we beat you’.”
 

Timmah

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How the f*ck would you know?????

Anyway - Generally 5 games per year at Bluetongue - roughly the same at Campbelltown.

Anyone got comparative stats between the two?
Bluetongue:
The reason you get shot as a messenger is because you make such stupid, uneducated statements.

Below is every single crowd for NRL matches at Bluetongue since the folding of the Northern Eagles.

2003
City v Country 17,674

2004
City v Country 15,310
Souths v Cowboys 10,138
Tigers v Bulldogs 14,987
Bulldogs v Canberra 10,473
Roosters v Cowboys 16,127

2005
Souths v Newcastle 16,162
Roosters v Canberra 16,253
Souths v Cowboys 13,079

2006
Roosters v Newcastle 18,124

2007
Souths v Newcastle 18,321
Tigers v Melbourne 19,111
Sydney v Newcastle 11,264
Souths v Melbourne 14,288
Manly v Newcastle 17,122

2008
Sydney v Newcastle 14,176
Manly v Cowboys 9,343
Souths v Melbourne 8,761
Manly v Newcastle 13,978

2009
Souths v Newcastle 15,227
Sydney v Melbourne 8,412
Bulldogs v Melbourne 10,923
Roosters v Titans 6,232 (MNF)
Manly v Newcastle 15,857

2010
Manly v Newcastle 12,138
Souths v Newcastle 16,098
Sydney v Newcastle 10,018
Sharks v Bulldogs 9,826
Manly v Tigers 20,059

13 of 29 crowds over 15,000, only 3 falling below 10,000.

Campbelltown over the same period:

2003
Tigers v Bulldogs 15,774
Tigers v Panthers 4,125
Tigers v Roosters 8,573
Tigers v Knights 9,378
Tigers v Cowboys 6,158

2004
Tigers v Broncos 13,011
Tigers v Raiders 8,310
Tigers v Roosters 18,669
Tigers v Bulldogs 16,540
Tigers v Cowboys 10,296

2005
Tigers v Raiders 18,436
Tigers v Sharks 17,570
Tigers v Cowboys 20,527

2006
Tigers v Sharks 15,550
Tigers v Knights 14,499
Tigers v Raiders 18,474

2007
Tigers v Sharks 17,566
Tigers v Titans 13,451
Tigers v Warriors 14,012

2008
Tigers v Panthers 11,898
Tigers v Cowboys 10,488
Tigers v Storm 16,653

2009
Tigers v Raiders 17,392
Tigers v Knights 17,898
Tigers v Broncos 9,675

2010
Tigers v Roosters 19,901
Tigers v Warriors 10,061
Tigers v Titans 14,050

They've built strongly recently but earlier in the decade some of those crowds are deplorable.
 

Red&BlackBear

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http://express-advocate-gosford.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/good-as-it-gets/

* Sunday’s capacity crowd couldn’t have come at a better time for the Central Coast Bears bid, with proponents scheduled to meet with the NRL tomorrow.

Bears chief executive Greg Florimo wasn’t expecting any concrete decisions on expansion to come out of his first meeting with the game’s governing body in close to six months.

“It’s to touch base and update the NRL on what we’re doing,” Florimo said. “(With Sunday’s crowd) the timing couldn’t be better

C'Mon BEARS!!
 

Rockin Ronny

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http://express-advocate-gosford.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/good-as-it-gets/

* Sunday’s capacity crowd couldn’t have come at a better time for the Central Coast Bears bid, with proponents scheduled to meet with the NRL tomorrow.

Bears chief executive Greg Florimo wasn’t expecting any concrete decisions on expansion to come out of his first meeting with the game’s governing body in close to six months.

“It’s to touch base and update the NRL on what we’re doing,” Florimo said. “(With Sunday’s crowd) the timing couldn’t be better

C'Mon BEARS!!

It's a f**king disgrace how Gallop and the NRL have stuffed the Bears around over the last 10 years.

Now the Titans can't even pay their players without begging for an NRL advance.
 

Perth Red

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Some of those players were not good enough for the NRL the first time around. I think the "signing from other codes" is a bit of a pipe dream to be honest.


Lets get 16 strong teams first and then look to expansion.

we've had over 100 years, how much longer do you want?

As I said there is more than enough talent to make two competitive teams from SL players alone. Out of those 100 there is a good 50 that would walk straight back into 1st grade in the NRL next season. To name a few:

Orford
Monaghan
Galea
Newton
Dobson
Buderus
Berrigan
Richards
Sammut
Withers
Chan
Manu
Fitzgibbon
O'Meley
Cusak
Webster
Vella
Clinton
Soliola
Puletua
Donald
Eastwood
Lauititi
Webb
Leuluai (T)
Hansen
Paleassina
King
Anderson
Kearney
L'Estrange
Hodgson
Lolesi
Fa'alogo
Sargent
Widders
Greenshields
Sa
Johnson
Sherwin
Carlaw

Ok they are not all world beaters but there is enough there to build very competitive squads, throw in a couple of top poms in each team, maybe a major return like SBW, Hunte or Folau for each team and you have no need to weaken existing teams. As I said it is much more a matter of $'s than it is a matter of available talent.
 

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Out of interest re the stadium, is it owned by someone and will the Bears pay rental for its use, a % of gate takings or do they have free use as owners?
 

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Out of interest re the stadium, is it owned by someone and will the Bears pay rental for its use, a % of gate takings or do they have free use as owners?

After the dust cleared, and the administrators did what they did to the NSDRLFC, head lease-management rights to the Staduim are held 80% by Singo [or one of the numerous Singo entities], 20% by the North Sydney Leagues Club 'in trust' for the NSDRLFC until 2020 when the managements rights fall back to the council, i think!

My guess-We will pay rent, as its 20% to 'us', we'll get market rates, but good market rates..............it was reported back in 2008 that Singo had another dummy spit and was considering selling his share to the CC Mariners
 

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Perth Red - you are dreaming. Half of those guys on that list will be retired before the Bears/Reds get admitted, plus the ESL aren't just going to hand players back to the NRL. There isn't a flow of poms out here to play. Stuff like this is a pipe dream.

There is a log jam of teams 1-12 not because the quality of the comp has gotten better - it is because it is getting worse. The awful quality of the NYC isn't helping.
 

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Perth Red - you are dreaming. Half of those guys on that list will be retired before the Bears/Reds get admitted, plus the ESL aren't just going to hand players back to the NRL. There isn't a flow of poms out here to play. Stuff like this is a pipe dream.

There is a log jam of teams 1-12 not because the quality of the comp has gotten better - it is because it is getting worse. The awful quality of the NYC isn't helping.

Blame the salary cap. There's no lack of players. 2 more teams will probably not improve the quality but I don't believe it will worsen it. I'm with Perth Red.
 

Perth Red

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Perth Red - you are dreaming. Half of those guys on that list will be retired before the Bears/Reds get admitted, plus the ESL aren't just going to hand players back to the NRL. There isn't a flow of poms out here to play. Stuff like this is a pipe dream.
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and will be replaced by exiting NRL players over the next 2 seasons. Whose going next year? Theres at least 5 or 6 that would be certain 1st graders liek Finch, O'Donnell, Hoffman, Lima etc etc. Chick in Saffy and a few others that are leaving the code all together and the two team talent will remain outside the NRL if we have teh $'s to bring them back.
 

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Perth Red - you are dreaming. Half of those guys on that list will be retired before the Bears/Reds get admitted, plus the ESL aren't just going to hand players back to the NRL. There isn't a flow of poms out here to play. Stuff like this is a pipe dream.

There is a log jam of teams 1-12 not because the quality of the comp has gotten better - it is because it is getting worse. The awful quality of the NYC isn't helping.

Alot of them will be retired yes, and less will be going over to replace them because SL's quota is being reduced gradually down to 4. That means less players will be going over but better players will be going over. How this would affect two new teams in the NRL I'm not too sure.

I think it will be fine to bring two new teams in, though there a few things that should be looked at to help with player depth.

1. Encourage development of Victorian and Western Australian players, this may take a few years to have any affect on NRL but it's something that really needs to be done.

2. Bring more Poms over (will happen)

3. PNG! jesus christ the country has 6million RL nuts with half the population under 25 yet there are about 5 PNG born NRL players. Screams of laziness from NRL clubs. Hopefully someone can have enough forsight to start up a system that gets the best PNG juniors into NRL clubs.
 

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maybe a major return like SBW, Hunt or Folau for each team and you have no need to weaken existing teams. As I said it is much more a matter of $'s than it is a matter of available talent.

Any of those would be massive publicity for a new club starting, whether or not it's achievable is another question.

Karmichael Hunt should be number one target for the Reds, he is only signed until the end of 2012. Even if there has to be a crap load of third party to get him there somebody needs to make sure it happens because it would be a great return serve to the AFL. Taking a player they have built into a publicity tool for their game and then signing him to be the NRL's own publicity tool for expansion into AFL territory. Please, somebody make it happen :D
 

Alex28

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Jim,

WA and VIC development will take decades to get genuine first grade talent to flow in to the NRL. The biggest problem is that the AFL literally gets all of the talent. That is something that is going to take generations to eat in to. The Storm have had a presence in the game for well over a decade and we STILL are not seeing a great deal of NRL standard players coming in to the game.

Poms going in to the game will not happen on a regular basis - particularly with the cap on imports. Yes it will keep a few of our players back here but the split between genuine NRL players and those not up to it is 50/50 IMO. Those players will get a gig due to 2 extra teams - it will dumb down the quality of the comp.

PNG is a development option agreed - albeit an expensive and risky one.
 

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After the dust cleared, and the administrators did what they did to the NSDRLFC, head lease-management rights to the Staduim are held 80% by Singo [or one of the numerous Singo entities], 20% by the North Sydney Leagues Club 'in trust' for the NSDRLFC until 2020 when the managements rights fall back to the council, i think!

My guess-We will pay rent, as its 20% to 'us', we'll get market rates, but good market rates..............it was reported back in 2008 that Singo had another dummy spit and was considering selling his share to the CC Mariners

Big risk for the CC Bears is, of course, that Singo wants his "own" team up there - but not the Bears. Hadley, Singo's lackey, has said this - and that dill has never had an original thought in his life, even as a taxi driver.

I'm still amazed that Singo gets a virtual monopoly on radio rights from Gallpp and the NRL - but he seems to be such an abject failure to get any progress for the CC Bears which is supposed to be "his" team, the one he was backing. Very strange. especially as he's been involved for over 8 years.

The Bears biggest problem over 10 years has been rats in the ranks - so called "friends" more interested in lining their own pockets, even if knifing their club to death is the necessary result.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...too-much-to-bear/story-e6frg7mf-1225898181859

Expansion is too much to bear
Brent Read

CENTRAL Coast officials face a battle to convince the game's existing clubs today they deserve to be added to the premiership in 2013.

The Australian conducted a poll of chief executives yesterday and the resounding response was that the survival of current clubs should be given priority over plans to expand.

That could spell disaster for the Bears and other expansion hopefuls -- Perth and central Queensland. "There's no appetite for expansion among the clubs," one chief executive told The Australian yesterday.

"Most of them walk on a financial tightrope so why would we be giving up money to other clubs."

Another added: "We don't want another (South Queensland) Crushers or (Adelaide) Rams. We need to make sure they're able to do it."

The final decision is likely to rest with the independent commission, which the clubs hope to have up and running by November 1.

The commissioners are likely to be guided by the size of the next television deal and the prospect of increasing revenue by adding teams to the premiership.

Media magnate John Singleton, who owns Gosford's Bluetongue Stadium, admitted on Sydney radio yesterday that the region's weak link was its corporate support. He also criticised the Newcastle Knights for failing to take advantage of the area's love of rugby league.

"Whenever there's a traditional team up here we get a house full or close to, but it doesn't happen if it's Newcastle," Singleton told Triple M. "Unfortunately they could have increased their footprint by training in Gosford twice a week. Then they would have another four or five hundred thousand fans, but they're poorly managed so they just stick up at Newcastle.

"If there was a game with traditional Sydney-based teams that would happen almost every weekend."

Knights chief executive Steve Burraston said his club was happy with the work it was doing in the area.

"We certainly have a NSW Cup team playing out of the area," Burraston said. "We're doing a lot of work with the Central Coast junior rugby league and junior league in the area. We're pretty happy with what we're doing."

Only Brisbane, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Newcastle and South Sydney have recorded profits in recent seasons while Sydney clubs are still reliant on their leagues clubs for funding.

Last month, it emerged three clubs -- the Titans, Knights and Cronulla -- were forced to go cap in hand to the NRL for money to pay their bills.

The Sharks' future has been the subject of speculation for years and if a club was to re-locate, they appear the most logical choice. However, Cronulla is taking steps to ensure it survives by discussing the prospect of taking home games to New Zealand and the Northern Territory.

Against that backdrop, Central Coast chief Greg Florimo will take his case to the NRL today.

"Our whole bid is relying on a greater broadcast deal for the game as a whole," Florimo said.

"We don't want to come into the game and take money from the existing clubs. As far as the broadcasting deal goes, more games should result in more revenue."
 

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http://www.centralcoastbears.com.au/news/refs_get_the_better_of_central_coast_bears_at_asquith.html

The annual North Sydney District Rugby League Referees Association (DRLRA) Trivia Night was held at Asquith Leagues Club on Friday 23 July 2010 and proved a major fund raising success for local rugby league initiatives.

Scot Murray, Director of Members Services, North Sydney DRLRA, said the annual event aimed to raise funds for the Men of League Foundation and the North Sydney DRLRA's ninetieth anniversary celebration in 2012.

The event attracted over 100 people from the rugby league community, including representatives from the Central Coast Bears and local businesses and proved a success for both the North Sydney DRLRA and the Men of League Foundation.

A hotly contested trivia competition, run expertly by MC Doug Keen, proved the evening's highlight.

Unfortunately, for fans of the red & blacks, a team representing the Manly DRLRA just nudged out the fast finishing and determined Central Coast Bears.

The Central Coast Bears were represented by Marketing Manager Robert Lopez, Celeste McKeon, Meredith McKeon, Annabelle Hoy, Colin Johnson, the indefatigable Ros Dare, Paul Ventura and bid team member Anthony O'Brien.

Best known for his vociferous barracking at home and away games, Colin clearly has a knack for trivia, and along with team captain Robert, led the Bears late charge up the ladder.

Apart from the trivia, there were raffles, auctions and silent auctions with Anzac, rugby league and cricket memorabilia among the most popular items.

In a win for the Central Coast Bears, the club's foundation jersey proved the most sought after item, raising $150 for the Men of League Foundation under the hammer, while a cricket bat signed by the NSW Sheffield Shield team attracted just $80.

The energetic Robert Lopez also found the time to provide an update on the Central Coast Bears bid and told the audience that the red & blacks were on track for a start in the NRL in 2013.

"The Central Coast Bears are focused on building its membership base," said Mr Lopez. "We are meeting with David Gallop this week and we are well on our way to meeting our objectives of 5,000 members and 100 foundation members by March 2011."

"The Bears will be the next team in the NRL and we already have the backing of 1800 financial members and 18,000 supporters on Facebook."

"For as little as $30 a year, visit www.centralcoastbears.com.au to become a member of the Central Coast Bears and be part of the NRL's next successful team."
 
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The Central Coast BEARS bid team have a meeting with David Gallop & the NRL to update them on the bid's current status and also to find out what else needs to be done/accomplished in order for us to have the best possible chance of entering the NRL competition in 2013.
 

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...coast-bears-push/story-e6frfgbo-1225898161830

Matt Orford joins Central Coast Bears push
Josh Massoud and James Phelps

THE Central Coast Bears bid has gained a new face in star halfback Matt Orford, who is poised to become the assistant coach should they gain NRL admission in 2013.

As Bears officials prepare to meet with NRL boss David Gallop today, we can reveal Orford has been in talks with the constortium over the past week to possibly become David Fairleigh's right-hand man.

Back in Australia for re-hab on his season-ending shoulder injury, Orford is sniffing about for a two-year deal to avoid returning to Bradford - where he struggled to adapt to life in the north of England.

We revealed last Friday that Canberra were favourites to secure the 2008 Dally M medallist, and it now appears a meeting between Raiders management and the halfback will happen next week.

In the meantime, Bears CEO Greg Florimo will escort Fairleigh and four directors for their first meeting with Gallop since last December. Florimo yesterday told us the team's presentation will reveal new sponsorship opportunities and the club's ownership structure. It's believed the Bears want to become a community-owned asset, with shares to be offered to Central Coast locals.

Florimo also confirmed that Orford had attended a coaching seminar last week.

"Matty has embraced the cause," Florimo said.

Manly coach Des Hasler is a big Orford admirer and also wants The Ox on staff when the playmaker hangs up the boots in 2013.
 
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