Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[Perth Red]

It will be very sad for fans and the people who have worked so hard to get the Bears back if they don;t get in. I can see them not being admitted though purely on the NSW argument/out of favour voting of the existing clubs. It is unfair as they will probably do alot better than 3 or 4 existing Sydney teams and the region can undoubtably sustain a team. The question the IC will be asking is who brings in the most TV $'s and who do we "need" the most. Bears best hope is Ipswich bid isn't strong and the TV deal is so big that existing clubs get a massive grant increase and feel more financially secure.

Having said that I am not convinced we are the shoe in many think and having been a RL fan all my life it wouldn't surprise me one jot if they don't expand or choose CC and Ipswich!

 

[adamkungl]

I don't think Perth are a shoe-in...i think they SHOULD be. But who knows that the NRL will do

 

[BDGS]

Ipswich will be ready by the middle of next year, or as ready as they need to be at this stage. They won't have any members, but they will have funding for a stadium, a financial and business model, potential sponsors, restructure plans for juniors et cetera. Two and a half years is plenty of lead in time.

The NRL has already stressed the membership cards so going in with 0 won't impress them. Funding for a stadium is not the same as already having a stadium ready tomorrow and is one of the three major reasons the NRL clubs are in favour of WA getting a team. REAL sponsors and not potential sponsors is what the NRL wants, they don't want a potential list then want a list that is already handing over money to the organisation and not a list that includes stealing another Bid major sponsors (QR national off CQ).

They don't have until the middle of next year, we should have a decision by the middle of next year. They have 3 months left.

 

[Talons]

And this is how the clubs and the IC will be thinking. No matter how good the Bears bid, it will still be just another NSW club.

But they will be thinking this moreso, because the IC will be there to protect the game as it currently is, and act in the best interests of the various bodies of the game and the current clubs.

This may mean they push clubs to relocate in future, but in the short term will do NOTHING to harm the current clubs. They will want to protect the current brands and strengthen the game as it is.

It cannot be the Bears in 2013. Sorry, but thats the way it is. Gallop hasn't said as much because he isn't his own master; he is a puppet of News/ARL and will be of ARLC.

The needs of current clubs and TV money will dictate where future NEED of expansion is. The only way we will see the Bears back is if a NSW club folds or relocates inter-state, most likely the Sharks (for obvious reasons) or Sea Eagles (if they can't sort their stadium issues).

Like it or not that's a pretty good summation of the situation.

In fact the IC will "probably" strengthen the existing clubs (at least for the next few years).
People assume expansion will bring more dollars to the table in regards to the TV rights deal, but the IC may very well postpone any expansion if it's proven to be financially prohibitive at this point in time.

 

[bobmar28]

BM

Problem is - the dolphins/titans were a half-baked bid - no name, no stadium, no real money - but Gallop and Searle had a love-in - they involved an NRL dinosaurand they were selected over the CC Bears that had been fighting for 6 years and had money (Singo), stadium, 2 areas etc etc.

Rugby league has always been a jobs for the boys operation. Paul Broughton, an NRL dinosaur, got teh titans bid home. Canavan wil do the same for Ipswich.

the fact that gallop is still stuffing the CC Bears around after 11 years is nothing short of a national disgrace.

And aren't we glad they were.

 

[bobmar28]

Simple fact is the NRL has been f**king around the bears since 1999. It can't keep happening, we have already had Singo walk away from the game, He has huge money and could of been another Crowe for the entire NRL.

Keep f**king them around and watch their area (North Sydney-Central Coast) become a small melbourne, dominated by AFL and Soccer.

It's that simple and i for one would rather see the Bears in over any other bid (apart from the Reds) to make sure this doesn't happen and to make sure these so-called other advance bids are put through just as much pressure and heart ache that the bears have faced and see where they stand after it. If they are still standing then they will be worthy of a team and known as an area that can sustain a team.

That is the Bears biggest selling point if you ask me, the amount of times they have been f**ked around and ho they reacted to it.

If NSW get an 11th team and QLD get none, they will feel like they have been f**ked around.

 

[bobmar28]

The Bears area contain 1 million people within it. That is 20% of NSW population.

People who think NSW does not need another team because of the number of Sydney teams are wrong and also unfair on areas that are in NSW but are not in Sydney.

I agree there is too many Sydney teams but there is indeed not enough regional teams. Central Qld, Central Coast and WA are the top bids. Although there are serious concerns over Central Qld but not as many as Ipswich have with identity.

Btw, on Gallop. Get any recorded interview with him over the last 4 months and all he talks about is putting one team where the fish are (and always mentions the Central Coast Bears) and one in a newer area (and always mentions the WA Reds).

Ipswich won't be ready to put in a bid by March, Central Queensland will be but they wont be a valid NRL Bid until a boom hits in about 15 years and that leaves to very advance bids. WA Reds and the most advance bid in NRL history the Central Coast Bears.

If Rugby League really is the people's game then the bears and reds will be the next two in. If they want to be like the AFL and ignore what fans have been yelling at them ... then so be it but then league cant claim to be a game for the people.

1 million people? If CC is regional then drop the North Sydney connection.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

1 million people? If CC is regional then drop the North Sydney connection.

If Ipswich is regional then drop Logan and Springfield...

 

[BDGS]

If NSW get an 11th team and QLD get none, they will feel like they have been f**ked around.

QLD NRL BIDs have not been f**ked around, they have been helped in most incidents.

1 million people? If CC is regional then drop the North Sydney connection.

If Ipswich is Rugby League heartland then drop the idea of playing game in the CITY of BRISBANE.

The Central Coast Bears received official regional status on the 9/11/2010. Now the Central Coast Bears are not to be refereed in any way to being a Sydney team. Only in the history pages do the Central Coast Bears have ties to North Sydney and one token game during heritage week from 2013 onwards.

 

[BunniesMan]

If NSW get an 11th team and QLD get none, they will feel like they have been f**ked around.

As if, noone in QLD has worked anywhere near as hard as the Bears, noone is attached to any of those half baked bids, people would forget about them a week after the decision was announced.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

As if, noone in QLD has worked anywhere near as hard as the Bears, noone is attached to any of those half baked bids, people would forget about them a week after the decision was announced.

This hard work argument doesn't cut it. If the NRL expands then it will go to the best bids not the one that works the hardest. Hard work may make that the best bid but it is not the be all that ends all.

You can go out in your backyard and work hard digging a hole to China, doesn't mean you're going to get there.

 

[BDGS]

This hard work argument doesn't cut it. If the NRL expands then it will go to the best bids not the one that works the hardest. Hard work may make that the best bid but it is not the be all that ends all.

Incorrect.

Without hard work the Bid has got nothing. It is not the be all and end all but if there is no hard work then there is no chance of them getting a team.

The Bids that get accepted will be those bids that work the hardest.

 

[BDGS]

The Central Coast Bears now have 4,610 members. More then 7 current clubs!

 

[BunniesMan]

This hard work argument doesn't cut it. If the NRL expands then it will go to the best bids not the one that works the hardest. Hard work may make that the best bid but it is not the be all that ends all.

You can go out in your backyard and work hard digging a hole to China, doesn't mean you're going to get there.

If the best bids get in next year the Bears will be the first ones chosen.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Incorrect.

Without hard work the Bid has got nothing.

Incorrect. Without hard work the bears bid almost has nothing.

It is not the be all and end all but if there is no hard work then there is no chance of them getting a team.

Correct. Hard work may increase their chances but does not guarantee it.

The Bids that get accepted will be those bids that work the hardest.

Says who? Is that on the official list of criteria?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

If the best bids get in next year the Bears will be the first ones chosen.

Says who? - Bears for 2013 supporters who have more bias than a lawn bowl.

 

[applesauce]

The Central Coast Bears now have 4,610 members. More then 7 current clubs!

For $10-$50 (majority of)?

Not belittling it at all, it is a great effort, but will that translate into hundreds of $$/person if a team is playing out of Gosford? The IC will have to decide that.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

4,610 members for the Bears now.

I think we can get the 390 members before new years to have us @ 5000 by jan 1, 2011. great work from all the membership drive workers and welcome to all new members.

go the bears!!

 

[Red&BlackBear]

This hard work argument doesn't cut it. If the NRL expands then it will go to the best bids not the one that works the hardest. Hard work may make that the best bid but it is not the be all that ends all.

You can go out in your backyard and work hard digging a hole to China, doesn't mean you're going to get there.

?? hard work is the very basis that rugby league was formed from. Hard working blue collar families. It's a sport/game where hardwork will dictate your place in the history books. QLD's 5 origin series wins stem from hardwork. As was St.George/Illawarra's title this year..

 

[AlwaysGreen]

?? hard work is the very basis that rugby league was formed from. Hard working blue collar families. It's a sport/game where hardwork will dictate your place in the history books. QLD's 5 origin series wins stem from hardwork. As was St.George/Illawarra's title this year..

Please don't give me a history lesson on hard work and rugby league. I know all about that and its just preaching to the converted and patronising.

If your conviction on the merits of hard work is so strong please explain why the hard work done by the bears to get to the CC in the first place went arse up. Didn't the bears work hard then? Yes they did. And your answer no doubt will be along the lines of: 'we got shafted' and 'bad weather let us down' which may well be true. But still, hard work then got you nowhere.

Bears fans continue to put emotion before rationale. Just because you work hard does not guarantee success. Again, R&BBear good luck but if you're banking on hard work to get you through you're certainly going to need it.