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Coaching preference for 2024

What are you hoping for in our next coaching appointment?

  • Rookie Coach

    Votes: 21 14.5%
  • Premiership Winning Coach

    Votes: 105 72.4%
  • NRL Experience coach with no Premiership wins

    Votes: 6 4.1%
  • Coach from Overseas

    Votes: 5 3.4%
  • Extend Current coach

    Votes: 8 5.5%

  • Total voters
    145

JohnnoMcJohnno

Juniors
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2,498
I thought the whole idea of the legal system was you do the punishment for the crime, you pay your debt to society, and you move on having learnt your lesson. The eyes of the law may keep closer tabs on you but you're essentially a free man again. So I don't get why a lawyer would be taking the position that here is a person who must be considered guilty forever more. I get why some of the Cronulla players may never forgive Flanagan, but not a member of the legal profession. Would the lawyer take the same position if it was one of his clients? I just don't get it.
 

Phantom V

Juniors
Messages
608
Darren is a Dragon supporter.
FACT
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Darren may well be a Dragons supporter but why take the moral high ground with only Flannigan? God knows he’s had many opportunities to voice his displeasures in the past with the likes of Amone, Debelin and co. I didn’t even know he existed until now. For some reason, Flannigan is getting special attention.

Also as previously stated, it’s a tad hypocritical coming from an individual who has more than likely defended people of far worse indiscretions than coach Flannigan. Pass me a the salt please.
 

Ghostrider22

Juniors
Messages
559
Just for clarity: He’s not a Dr. He’s a biochemist. He’s been through the legal wringer on multiple occasions subsequent to the Cronulla debacle. He was also working with Des at the same time.
I find it’s interesting with Dank, he was working with Des at that time and is kept hush hush. The medical profession have been using Peptides and steroids for years so has the military.
In rugby league Graham Olling was on a course of steroids in the 70’s, 80’s it wasn’t illegal and it didn’t make him superhuman, biggest thing out if it would be the body’s recovery and injuries. In league your body is so sore after a game it’s not funny it takes days for the soreness to go. That is where the peptides idea and its available use evolved.
 

Slippery Morris

First Grade
Messages
7,859
The thing that scares me is Saints are copping all the dud calls now, will it get even worse with Flanno. If the NRL are against this guy, last thing they would want is him to succeed. With all these bad calls that influence most games these days in the NRL I just don't trust them anymore.
 

Mojo

Bench
Messages
4,047
I find it’s interesting with Dank, he was working with Des at that time and is kept hush hush. The medical profession have been using Peptides and steroids for years so has the military.
In rugby league Graham Olling was on a course of steroids in the 70’s, 80’s it wasn’t illegal and it didn’t make him superhuman, biggest thing out if it would be the body’s recovery and injuries. In league your body is so sore after a game it’s not funny it takes days for the soreness to go. That is where the peptides idea and its available use evolved.
True. I believe the issue was that Dank used some substances that were actually banned and also was basically found to be undiscerning and very 'radical' in terms what he administered and to whom. Basically, he did some things that he should have known were 'illegal' and some things that, on the surface, were just crackpot, and, in any case, the whole program really needed much greater medical scrutiny. Again, he wasn't in any way suitably medically qualified to be basically experimenting with people's lives.

Lots of people made huge mistakes in trusting Dank. It was a tragic mess.

But, it was a long time ago now. Going forward - don't ever do anything like that again. Onwards and upwards.
 
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Slippery Morris

First Grade
Messages
7,859
I don't think Flanno was the only one that trusted Dank. Dank was around for ages before Flanno but just happened to be caught during Flanno's tenure. Saints I am sure will do more due diligence than what the Sharks did back then now that Flanno has had that issue to avoid the same errors.
 

blacksafake

First Grade
Messages
9,580
I thought the whole idea of the legal system was you do the punishment for the crime, you pay your debt to society, and you move on having learnt your lesson. The eyes of the law may keep closer tabs on you but you're essentially a free man again. So I don't get why a lawyer would be taking the position that here is a person who must be considered guilty forever more. I get why some of the Cronulla players may never forgive Flanagan, but not a member of the legal profession. Would the lawyer take the same position if it was one of his clients? I just don't get it.

Darren may well be a Dragons supporter but why take the moral high ground with only Flannigan? God knows he’s had many opportunities to voice his displeasures in the past with the likes of Amone, Debelin and co. I didn’t even know he existed until now. For some reason, Flannigan is getting special attention.

Also as previously stated, it’s a tad hypocritical coming from an individual who has more than likely defended people of far worse indiscretions than coach Flannigan. Pass me a the salt please.
Sounds emotionally personal
 

RedVee_8

Juniors
Messages
1,172
I find it’s interesting with Dank, he was working with Des at that time and is kept hush hush. The medical profession have been using Peptides and steroids for years so has the military.
In rugby league Graham Olling was on a course of steroids in the 70’s, 80’s it wasn’t illegal and it didn’t make him superhuman, biggest thing out if it would be the body’s recovery and injuries. In league your body is so sore after a game it’s not funny it takes days for the soreness to go. That is where the peptides idea and its available use evolved.
Well, Graham Olling went from basically a reserve grader to an Australian rep.
 
Messages
17,046
He could say he wasn’t up to speed with the molecular structures and mad science going on. Maybe that’s plausible because he’s not a chemist.

I am more worried about him breaching the terms of his penalty when he clearly understood it. And on multiple multiple occasions. No excuses for that really.

Still the league must be satisfied he’s had some insight and can behave himself to an extent, or he wouldn’t be an assistant.

It could be a conditional appointment, get Webby to give an undertaking that he won’t reoffend.

I’d stop short of an ankle bracelet, but something to disincentivise him from his dark thoughts.

Maybe a set 2 year period of coaching parole. Something to finally bring to an end to the questions about his character. A probation period perhaps.

It’s a big job but more than this, it’s the hopes and dreams of tens of thousands of people.

If he cheats again, the club will suffer terribly.
 

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