League has its smaller men and bigger players but the general range of physiques isn't as broad as rugby. That's why so many centres and wings in league end up as forwards as they grow older and slower.
That just doesn't happen in rugby and long may that continue.
Skinner said:The difference is, ropo,mcgivor,costo and halligan do not front up to answer
their critics.......and none the crap put on them is anywhere near as vicious as
this.
Frankly, this truly makes me ashamed to be a league fan.
Thierry Henry said:tbh I thought it was a PARTICULARLY poor report, and no, I don't think it was accurate or honest at all.
Indeed I made a rather derogatory comment in the comfort of my lounge room about the smarmy voiceover man, who I assume was you, which I've decided not to post here
The NRL is an extremely close competition and results fluctuate wildly from one week to the next. If you are given the job of reporting rugby league then you should be aware of this. You should have some understanding of the competition and an ability to put things in context.
The Warriors lost one game. What's more, they lost away to a team with an above par home record.
Sure, comment on a disappointing loss- but the implications of the defeat are simply not what you make them out to be.
There are hundreds of rugby league fans posting on this forum and I doubt ANY of them read as much into that one result as you have. The only people whose views that report reflects are people with no idea.
RHYTHM AND STEALTH said:[/b]
I for 1 am not going to bow down and join the Craig Stanaway appreciation club just cos he posted here.
Mixmasterreece said:Heres an 'interesting' piece
RHYTHM AND STEALTH said:[/b]
What a load of bollocks
He showed no respect for Monty and none to Wade. He continued to belittle the team when they were struggling but NOTHING and i mean NOTHING when they played well. Once again no respect shown to the team.
Its been mentioned before that when the Michael Crockett incident happened all they did was show footage of him being sent off. What about the half a dozen tries hes scored or the 1 or 2 hes saved.
I for 1 am not going to bow down and join the Craig Stanaway appreciation club just cos he posted here.
RHYTHM AND STEALTH said:#-o #-o
Craig Stanaway said:I actually wasn't going to post again but have done so just to prove that I am not in the least bit offended by the heat generated by my original response. I have absolutely no negative feelings towards the hardcore league community. The purpose of my post was to say I am approachable if you are annoyed with something I have said. Take it or leave it.... if you want to beat up on me, that's fine but at least give me credit for fronting up to take it under my real name rather than using a pseudonym. Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.
I see this damn Monty thing keeps coming up and it has been addressed by another post. I spoke to Monty yesterday and we get on fine. He's a true gentleman. The McKinnon thing, we also get on fine... spoke to him at length at Monty's last fight which was a week after the story you guys don't like. He told me he was over it but at the time was pissed off at it all. I told him that unfortunatley in life there are some questions you will get asked time and time again and you just have to have a stock standard response.
Three years ago, while working in England, I interviewed George Foreman for an hour who was an amazing bloke. I said to him in an ad break, "Look mate, I know you're going to hate answering this, and I bet you've been asked it a million times, but could we just touch on the Rumble in the Jungle" Now if you know your boxing, Foreman lost in a massive upset and went into depression following that fight and was never the same again. He hated Ali for ages. But I had a dilemma. Do I just avoid what was clearly the biggest incident in his glittering career or do I confront it? Because the general public, not the hardcore fans, want to know.... (Same as I saw Paul McCartney asked by Larry King "Did you make up with John Lennon before he died?)
Foreman astounded me in his response. "He said, you ask me anything you like. I have a stock standard answer for it but I accept it's part of my career and people want to talk about that." Now I would suggest Foreman and McCartney have been asked those same questions more than McKinnon has been asked about Webb.
I told McKinnnon that story and he took it on board coz it is a great way for dealing with the media when they ask you questions you dont necessarily want to answer but realise are of interest to the public. It will always annoy hardcore fans to see a question asked which has an obvious answer.... sports news though caters for everyone, not just the hardcore fans.
I really hope that has sort of cleared things up. I'm not likely to post again. Not because I feel offended or embarrassed, but because I have given you the opportunity to approach me directly if you are pissed off. And it is important for me to tell you that being in the media does not make you unapproachable. I am not better than anyone but I accept there is a tremendous responsibility I have to get things right with the job I have. I am accountable for what I say and you have every right have a crack at me or question me. At times, as you have all stated, I have given the Warriors a crack.... surely I would be a hypocrite if I couldn't take it!
Skinner said:and that's a reason for personal abuse ???? Because an individual does not kow tow
to your team......does not show them respect.
Use the off button or change the channel, but don't come wading in like some feral.
Craig Stanaway said:I actually wasn't going to post again but have done so just to prove that I am not in the least bit offended by the heat generated by my original response. I have absolutely no negative feelings towards the hardcore league community. The purpose of my post was to say I am approachable if you are annoyed with something I have said. Take it or leave it.... if you want to beat up on me, that's fine but at least give me credit for fronting up to take it under my real name rather than using a pseudonym. Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.
I see this damn Monty thing keeps coming up and it has been addressed by another post. I spoke to Monty yesterday and we get on fine. He's a true gentleman. The McKinnon thing, we also get on fine... spoke to him at length at Monty's last fight which was a week after the story you guys don't like. He told me he was over it but at the time was pissed off at it all. I told him that unfortunatley in life there are some questions you will get asked time and time again and you just have to have a stock standard response.
Three years ago, while working in England, I interviewed George Foreman for an hour who was an amazing bloke. I said to him in an ad break, "Look mate, I know you're going to hate answering this, and I bet you've been asked it a million times, but could we just touch on the Rumble in the Jungle" Now if you know your boxing, Foreman lost in a massive upset and went into depression following that fight and was never the same again. He hated Ali for ages. But I had a dilemma. Do I just avoid what was clearly the biggest incident in his glittering career or do I confront it? Because the general public, not the hardcore fans, want to know.... (Same as I saw Paul McCartney asked by Larry King "Did you make up with John Lennon before he died?)
Foreman astounded me in his response. "He said, you ask me anything you like. I have a stock standard answer for it but I accept it's part of my career and people want to talk about that." Now I would suggest Foreman and McCartney have been asked those same questions more than McKinnon has been asked about Webb.
I told McKinnnon that story and he took it on board coz it is a great way for dealing with the media when they ask you questions you dont necessarily want to answer but realise are of interest to the public. It will always annoy hardcore fans to see a question asked which has an obvious answer.... sports news though caters for everyone, not just the hardcore fans.
I really hope that has sort of cleared things up. I'm not likely to post again. Not because I feel offended or embarrassed, but because I have given you the opportunity to approach me directly if you are pissed off. And it is important for me to tell you that being in the media does not make you unapproachable. I am not better than anyone but I accept there is a tremendous responsibility I have to get things right with the job I have. I am accountable for what I say and you have every right have a crack at me or question me. At times, as you have all stated, I have given the Warriors a crack.... surely I would be a hypocrite if I couldn't take it!
Mixmasterreece said:I do hope you realise I was being sarcastic ?
Micistm said:I respect Craig for actually posting here his point of view, good on him for that.
I like many other League fans (Or Tua ones for that matter) would disagree of Course. So would John Mitchell fans after the total (And completely unfair) flogging he got during his All Black Coach days. It's typical media wave to build up then shoot down people, especially sporting. Even poor old Hayley Westenra copped it earlier in the year for her singing at a dawn parade! How sick is that?!
It is typical media practice though and doesn't surprise me, and I do believe that from their standpoint TVNZ does truely believe they are being sporting journalists of fair standing. They do not actually see what they are doing: During the Warriors losing streak the boot goes in, then after a couple of wins the witty expressing surprise starts...then string a few wins and they pumped up to be ready for the Grand Final...follow with a loss and they're 'overhyped' (Despite the fact it was them that were hyping them!!!!).
Man, one game at a time, enjoy the wins, constructively critique the losses with fair due credit going to other teams. Simple really. Why start with they're ready for the grand final crap two months out with the comp so close?! That's just sensationalism rubbish.
Craig, good going on buying a beer for people who call you a wanker. How many beers do you buy for friends?Craig Stanaway said:Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.