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Craig Stanaway - Ace Reporter

Blaze

Juniors
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lol the rugby media are f**kwits.

What gets me is the ''Rugby is rugby to New Zealanders and always will be''

The assumption that every NZer likes union pisses me off.

You only have to look at the crowd figures in Christchurch, Wellington, Auckland, Hamilton, and Dunedin to realise that people (in big numbers) are turning away from union. It may be a temporary thing, but the way that Rugby people reassure themselves that everything is fine and that league will be irrelevant once the Warriors start losing leads me to suggest that Rugby Union may be on the decline long term.

In terms of watching sport on TV, the NRL is in direct competiton with the Air New Zealand Cup. I know which one out of the two me and all of my mates have been watching this year.

People aren't liking what they are getting from Union, so they are turning to league and enjoying it a lot more. If the rugby people want to put this down to the success of the Warriors then so be it, but IMO people are recognising that the NRL as a COMPETITION is awesome.

That doesn't mean that league will suddenly overtake union here, but if the public's current opinion of the two sports (which has been a build up over the last 2-3 years imo) maintains over the next 10 years then league could make serious inroads.

I just don't like the way these Rugby Union wankers just dismiss League, although that could work to our advantage long term...
 

Dr Crane

Live Update Team
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League has its smaller men and bigger players but the general range of physiques isn't as broad as rugby. That's why so many centres and wings in league end up as forwards as they grow older and slower.

That just doesn't happen in rugby and long may that continue.


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Deluded?
 

Blaze

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yeah love his assumptions about League, that are backed up by no facts... this coming from someone who doesn't even follow the game.

It is pretty insulting to the readers.

edit - I'm pretty sure I heard Duncan Johnstone (who wrote this article) mouthing off about League a little while ago as well... someone is obviously insecure.
 
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Skinner said:
The difference is, ropo,mcgivor,costo and halligan do not front up to answer
their critics.......and none the crap put on them is anywhere near as vicious as
this.

Frankly, this truly makes me ashamed to be a league fan.


What a load of bollocks

He showed no respect for Monty and none to Wade. He continued to belittle the team when they were struggling but NOTHING and i mean NOTHING when they played well. Once again no respect shown to the team.

Its been mentioned before that when the Michael Crockett incident happened all they did was show footage of him being sent off. What about the half a dozen tries hes scored or the 1 or 2 hes saved.

I for 1 am not going to bow down and join the Craig Stanaway appreciation club just cos he posted here.
 
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Thierry Henry said:
tbh I thought it was a PARTICULARLY poor report, and no, I don't think it was accurate or honest at all.

Indeed I made a rather derogatory comment in the comfort of my lounge room about the smarmy voiceover man, who I assume was you, which I've decided not to post here

The NRL is an extremely close competition and results fluctuate wildly from one week to the next. If you are given the job of reporting rugby league then you should be aware of this. You should have some understanding of the competition and an ability to put things in context.

The Warriors lost one game. What's more, they lost away to a team with an above par home record.

Sure, comment on a disappointing loss- but the implications of the defeat are simply not what you make them out to be.

There are hundreds of rugby league fans posting on this forum and I doubt ANY of them read as much into that one result as you have. The only people whose views that report reflects are people with no idea.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Craig Stanaway

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RHYTHM AND STEALTH said:
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I for 1 am not going to bow down and join the Craig Stanaway appreciation club just cos he posted here.


I actually wasn't going to post again but have done so just to prove that I am not in the least bit offended by the heat generated by my original response. I have absolutely no negative feelings towards the hardcore league community. The purpose of my post was to say I am approachable if you are annoyed with something I have said. Take it or leave it.... if you want to beat up on me, that's fine but at least give me credit for fronting up to take it under my real name rather than using a pseudonym. Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.

I see this damn Monty thing keeps coming up and it has been addressed by another post. I spoke to Monty yesterday and we get on fine. He's a true gentleman. The McKinnon thing, we also get on fine... spoke to him at length at Monty's last fight which was a week after the story you guys don't like. He told me he was over it but at the time was pissed off at it all. I told him that unfortunatley in life there are some questions you will get asked time and time again and you just have to have a stock standard response.

Three years ago, while working in England, I interviewed George Foreman for an hour who was an amazing bloke. I said to him in an ad break, "Look mate, I know you're going to hate answering this, and I bet you've been asked it a million times, but could we just touch on the Rumble in the Jungle" Now if you know your boxing, Foreman lost in a massive upset and went into depression following that fight and was never the same again. He hated Ali for ages. But I had a dilemma. Do I just avoid what was clearly the biggest incident in his glittering career or do I confront it? Because the general public, not the hardcore fans, want to know.... (Same as I saw Paul McCartney asked by Larry King "Did you make up with John Lennon before he died?)

Foreman astounded me in his response. "He said, you ask me anything you like. I have a stock standard answer for it but I accept it's part of my career and people want to talk about that." Now I would suggest Foreman and McCartney have been asked those same questions more than McKinnon has been asked about Webb.

I told McKinnnon that story and he took it on board coz it is a great way for dealing with the media when they ask you questions you dont necessarily want to answer but realise are of interest to the public. It will always annoy hardcore fans to see a question asked which has an obvious answer.... sports news though caters for everyone, not just the hardcore fans.

I really hope that has sort of cleared things up. I'm not likely to post again. Not because I feel offended or embarrassed, but because I have given you the opportunity to approach me directly if you are pissed off. And it is important for me to tell you that being in the media does not make you unapproachable. I am not better than anyone but I accept there is a tremendous responsibility I have to get things right with the job I have. I am accountable for what I say and you have every right have a crack at me or question me. At times, as you have all stated, I have given the Warriors a crack.... surely I would be a hypocrite if I couldn't take it!
 

Skinner

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RHYTHM AND STEALTH said:
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What a load of bollocks

He showed no respect for Monty and none to Wade. He continued to belittle the team when they were struggling but NOTHING and i mean NOTHING when they played well. Once again no respect shown to the team.

Its been mentioned before that when the Michael Crockett incident happened all they did was show footage of him being sent off. What about the half a dozen tries hes scored or the 1 or 2 hes saved.

I for 1 am not going to bow down and join the Craig Stanaway appreciation club just cos he posted here.

and that's a reason for personal abuse ???? Because an individual does not kow tow
to your team......does not show them respect.

Use the off button or change the channel, but don't come wading in like some feral.
 

NZ Warrior

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I thought I would drop in on this debate.

First off. Thank you Craig, for your time and fronting up. I realise you have a job to do. Some people are going to like it, some are going to hate it.

One problem I have is with the lack of respect shown to some of the League players. Now I appreciate that you have made amends with these guys (Betham & McKinnon). But how about showing them some respect on camera. These guys were clearly frustrated and the line of questioning was pretty inane. I just wondered what the point was with continuing with those questions. The real problem is that you don't see that happening with Union players.

Another problem I have is of your "Stock standard answer" advice. That is probably the biggest bane of interviewing sports players. I think the public are pretty sick of these stock standard answers. It seems nearly every post match interview degenerates into "full credits".

I'm not going attack you or your character. All I want is for you and your network to show League players more respect, that's all. Once again, thanks Craig for dropping by.
 

ozbash

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Craig Stanaway said:
I actually wasn't going to post again but have done so just to prove that I am not in the least bit offended by the heat generated by my original response. I have absolutely no negative feelings towards the hardcore league community. The purpose of my post was to say I am approachable if you are annoyed with something I have said. Take it or leave it.... if you want to beat up on me, that's fine but at least give me credit for fronting up to take it under my real name rather than using a pseudonym. Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.

I see this damn Monty thing keeps coming up and it has been addressed by another post. I spoke to Monty yesterday and we get on fine. He's a true gentleman. The McKinnon thing, we also get on fine... spoke to him at length at Monty's last fight which was a week after the story you guys don't like. He told me he was over it but at the time was pissed off at it all. I told him that unfortunatley in life there are some questions you will get asked time and time again and you just have to have a stock standard response.

Three years ago, while working in England, I interviewed George Foreman for an hour who was an amazing bloke. I said to him in an ad break, "Look mate, I know you're going to hate answering this, and I bet you've been asked it a million times, but could we just touch on the Rumble in the Jungle" Now if you know your boxing, Foreman lost in a massive upset and went into depression following that fight and was never the same again. He hated Ali for ages. But I had a dilemma. Do I just avoid what was clearly the biggest incident in his glittering career or do I confront it? Because the general public, not the hardcore fans, want to know.... (Same as I saw Paul McCartney asked by Larry King "Did you make up with John Lennon before he died?)

Foreman astounded me in his response. "He said, you ask me anything you like. I have a stock standard answer for it but I accept it's part of my career and people want to talk about that." Now I would suggest Foreman and McCartney have been asked those same questions more than McKinnon has been asked about Webb.

I told McKinnnon that story and he took it on board coz it is a great way for dealing with the media when they ask you questions you dont necessarily want to answer but realise are of interest to the public. It will always annoy hardcore fans to see a question asked which has an obvious answer.... sports news though caters for everyone, not just the hardcore fans.

I really hope that has sort of cleared things up. I'm not likely to post again. Not because I feel offended or embarrassed, but because I have given you the opportunity to approach me directly if you are pissed off. And it is important for me to tell you that being in the media does not make you unapproachable. I am not better than anyone but I accept there is a tremendous responsibility I have to get things right with the job I have. I am accountable for what I say and you have every right have a crack at me or question me. At times, as you have all stated, I have given the Warriors a crack.... surely I would be a hypocrite if I couldn't take it!


Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.

Well, I guess Craig Stanaway - person- is probably a pretty decent bloke, its Craig Stanaway reporter that I,m pissed off with.

Thanks for taking the time to tell us your side of the argument, I guess the proof of the pudding will be in future news articles.

People in a position like yours can/could make a huge difference to Joe Public's perception of rugby league.
Hopefully positive.

cheers.
 
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Skinner said:
and that's a reason for personal abuse ???? Because an individual does not kow tow
to your team......does not show them respect.

Use the off button or change the channel, but don't come wading in like some feral.

If he was a decent journalist he would of done a little research about Montys 100th game but he showed no respect to Monty or the Warriors becos he wanted to talk about a few twats that boo him at home games. He wanted dirt, not to reflect on Montys milestone.

Lack of respect
 
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Craig Stanaway said:
I actually wasn't going to post again but have done so just to prove that I am not in the least bit offended by the heat generated by my original response. I have absolutely no negative feelings towards the hardcore league community. The purpose of my post was to say I am approachable if you are annoyed with something I have said. Take it or leave it.... if you want to beat up on me, that's fine but at least give me credit for fronting up to take it under my real name rather than using a pseudonym. Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.

I see this damn Monty thing keeps coming up and it has been addressed by another post. I spoke to Monty yesterday and we get on fine. He's a true gentleman. The McKinnon thing, we also get on fine... spoke to him at length at Monty's last fight which was a week after the story you guys don't like. He told me he was over it but at the time was pissed off at it all. I told him that unfortunatley in life there are some questions you will get asked time and time again and you just have to have a stock standard response.

Three years ago, while working in England, I interviewed George Foreman for an hour who was an amazing bloke. I said to him in an ad break, "Look mate, I know you're going to hate answering this, and I bet you've been asked it a million times, but could we just touch on the Rumble in the Jungle" Now if you know your boxing, Foreman lost in a massive upset and went into depression following that fight and was never the same again. He hated Ali for ages. But I had a dilemma. Do I just avoid what was clearly the biggest incident in his glittering career or do I confront it? Because the general public, not the hardcore fans, want to know.... (Same as I saw Paul McCartney asked by Larry King "Did you make up with John Lennon before he died?)

Foreman astounded me in his response. "He said, you ask me anything you like. I have a stock standard answer for it but I accept it's part of my career and people want to talk about that." Now I would suggest Foreman and McCartney have been asked those same questions more than McKinnon has been asked about Webb.

I told McKinnnon that story and he took it on board coz it is a great way for dealing with the media when they ask you questions you dont necessarily want to answer but realise are of interest to the public. It will always annoy hardcore fans to see a question asked which has an obvious answer.... sports news though caters for everyone, not just the hardcore fans.

I really hope that has sort of cleared things up. I'm not likely to post again. Not because I feel offended or embarrassed, but because I have given you the opportunity to approach me directly if you are pissed off. And it is important for me to tell you that being in the media does not make you unapproachable. I am not better than anyone but I accept there is a tremendous responsibility I have to get things right with the job I have. I am accountable for what I say and you have every right have a crack at me or question me. At times, as you have all stated, I have given the Warriors a crack.... surely I would be a hypocrite if I couldn't take it!

Im up there this weekend for the game so lets meet up for that beer.;-)
 

Micistm

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I respect Craig for actually posting here his point of view, good on him for that.

I like many other League fans (Or Tua ones for that matter) would disagree of Course. So would John Mitchell fans after the total (And completely unfair) flogging he got during his All Black Coach days. It's typical media wave to build up then shoot down people, especially sporting. Even poor old Hayley Westenra copped it earlier in the year for her singing at a dawn parade! How sick is that?!
It is typical media practice though and doesn't surprise me, and I do believe that from their standpoint TVNZ does truely believe they are being sporting journalists of fair standing. They do not actually see what they are doing: During the Warriors losing streak the boot goes in, then after a couple of wins the witty expressing surprise starts...then string a few wins and they pumped up to be ready for the Grand Final...follow with a loss and they're 'overhyped' (Despite the fact it was them that were hyping them!!!!).
Man, one game at a time, enjoy the wins, constructively critique the losses with fair due credit going to other teams. Simple really. Why start with they're ready for the grand final crap two months out with the comp so close?! That's just sensationalism rubbish.
 

Iafeta

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Time to front up. I did about five years journalism, and I think someone earlier in this thread put it together perfectly; negativity evokes emotion. The cause and effect of that is emotion sells newspapers, newspaper subscriptions sell advertisements.

You only have to look at where, to a large degree, our journalistic history comes from. The United Kingdom. People talk about finding the 'middle ground' in this particular thread, it does not sell. The UK system shows that with the tabloids. The tabloids sell left right and centre because people demand to be interested. You can broaden this out to various other avenues - professional wrestling, again an emotion evoking industry, you very rarely see wrestlers who are not either extremely bad or extremely good. Take a look at the Australian Touring Cars a couple of years ago, where there was a massive dust up between two of the drivers, viewership figures went up exponentially.

Craig is right in one respect and I raised it elsewhere, as a professional in the media limelight, particularly the tunnel vision that's created from a one team environment like the Warriors, you are going to be subjected to 'interesting' questions, either very positive, or very negative. In a normative sense, it is common respect not to ask the very bad, but in the media, your job is determined by how many subscriptions you sell or how many viewers you bring in to up your demand for advertisements and therefore the charge rate. There are far better ways to handle it than the way both Monty Betham and Wade McKinnon handled it, no disrespect to them at all, but it just is not 'media savvy'. Let's look at a past master of the best response, 'the sporting cliche`'.

"Full credit to the opposition."

Yes, Sean Fitzpatrick. In practically every post match interview, even when not asked he would land in the full credit comment. What you will find the All Blacks over the past 10-15 years are very good at in interviews, even Richie McCaw himself, they take the question and then answer with something else that does not really answer the question but satisfies the home viewers.

Another way to respond to it is be completely and utterly honest. One only needs to look at how Ken Rutherford handled his captaincy and his media liaisons to understand that. People loved 'Rudders' because he epitomised the Kiwi fighting spirit, against all odds. Here was a man who as a boy was subjected to a barrage of torment by the fearful West Indians, but had the ticker to keep coming back for more. People responded to that, so he gained the respect necessary to gain the top job. When the results were not going his way, Rutherford was brutally honest and up front. All of a sudden, a fairly mediocre to good player was being heavily favoured in the media and in the community as this nation's cricket captain, over one of the world's great batsman, a certain MD Crowe.

What was the contrast? Crowe was elite. No disrespect to Martin, but he did not quite hit the people in the hearts the way Rutherford did. In fact, I find it unbelievable to hear the U-turn in Crowe's cricket commentaries where he seems quite down to earth and excitable, Martin was just a cricket professional striving for professionalism and perfection in a country perhaps not ready to accept one man standing out on his own like that.

In my very limited experience, and from studies of some of histories charismatic leaders, you do not have to be completely honest per se`, but perhaps accepting of the situation and the media's need to serve the community with interesting situations. Take JFK, the man was the rival of Hugh Heffner in one respect, but was it common knowledge in the media? No. Why? At the time there was a certain unwritten guideline that these sorts of things that could unstable the national way of life were not reported firstly, but secondly, because JFK was one of them. He was a straight forward, confident man with the ability to inspire. And who would want to be the catalyst to over throw that?

Just a few thoughts, no criticisms intentional at anyone who has been grated by the media, but unfortunately, it's a very harsh piece of reality for professionals who are in a marketable commodity. If you do it right, you can become adored like Rutherford, if you do it perfectly, you can make people follow you even if it's unbelievable, like John F. Kennedy.
 

Iafeta

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Micistm said:
I respect Craig for actually posting here his point of view, good on him for that.

I like many other League fans (Or Tua ones for that matter) would disagree of Course. So would John Mitchell fans after the total (And completely unfair) flogging he got during his All Black Coach days. It's typical media wave to build up then shoot down people, especially sporting. Even poor old Hayley Westenra copped it earlier in the year for her singing at a dawn parade! How sick is that?!
It is typical media practice though and doesn't surprise me, and I do believe that from their standpoint TVNZ does truely believe they are being sporting journalists of fair standing. They do not actually see what they are doing: During the Warriors losing streak the boot goes in, then after a couple of wins the witty expressing surprise starts...then string a few wins and they pumped up to be ready for the Grand Final...follow with a loss and they're 'overhyped' (Despite the fact it was them that were hyping them!!!!).
Man, one game at a time, enjoy the wins, constructively critique the losses with fair due credit going to other teams. Simple really. Why start with they're ready for the grand final crap two months out with the comp so close?! That's just sensationalism rubbish.

Because champion, it sells. It's what the entire British tabloid system - a very highly sophisticated and unbelievably successful system, the prototype for most westernised democratic countries' media - is based upon.
 

Willow

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Craig Stanaway said:
Ozbash, Rhythm and Stealth... don't either of you two... you think I'm a wanker, that's totally okay with me... but what you've said about me wouldn't stop me buying a beer for you in the pub.
Craig, good going on buying a beer for people who call you a wanker. How many beers do you buy for friends?

;-)
 

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