Craig Young and personal reference for Finch

[Victoire]

If we had of been travelling top 4 and just signed Bellamy and a few star players I wonder what the cry out would be then?

You mean we only condemn the endorsement of paedophiles when we're losing?

 

[Old Timer]

You mean we only condemn the endorsement of paedophiles when we're losing?

No not at all

What I am suggesting is that if the club was doing really well at this point in time many whining now would suggest it was an error of judgement and actually see the letter for what it is rather than isn’t.

Albert has merely given his perspective on Brett Finch from the position of a friend of the family thus knowing him for many years and also from the perspective of his time in the NSW Police Force and having dealings with people in such matters.

There is no doubt in my mind that Albert has seen many things we would not be privy to and therefore he would be entitled to make an informed opinion

Albert has not condoned anything about pedophilia he has given his honest view that Brett Finch was in a bad mental space due to drugs and that his actions were drug induced and not “normal” behaviour.

If that is what Albert believes and let’s face it he would know more than anyone else here then for Albert he is merely stating the facts as he sees them nothing more nothing less he erred in doing it on club letterhead and signing it as the chairman and he admits that.

All the madness in here inferring Finch himself was directly involved in kiddy fiddling is unfounded and ill advised.

So in the end if Albert wasn’t so disliked / hated for his previous tenures at the club and if people aren’t so obsessed with thinking he is manipulating everything club wise to accomodate Dean then I do think people would see this issue for what it is and not be so incensed.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

As I have asked of others please explain how he has brought the game into disrepute?

People keep banging on about it but not willing to say how a character reference on a letterhead would differ to a character reference on A4 paper.

Who knows if anyone else wrote references for Finch and if they d so would those references bring the game into disrepute?

People like you are grasping at straws in an effort to get rid of Albert for his gross error of judgement.

If the NRL didn't remove franchises for blatant Salary Cap infringements some which were repetitive then why the f**k would they intervene here?

The letterhead casts the reference as being of an official as opposed to a personal nature.

It could invoke the support of the entire club for what is essentially a private representation and one not shared by the club as an entity.

In my view, it’s not the reference per se but the potential misrepresentation of the clubs views that is the problem.

A suggestion that it is official policy when it is not.

I can’t see it bringing the game into disrepute, but more so Albert for his indulgence. Potentially misrepresenting the club when you are a chairman is entirely unsound.

He should have known it is a very sensitive issue and the clubs name should not have been invoked in any fashion.

He could have outlined his personal virtues and positions under private letterhead.

 

[SBD82]

No not at all

What I am suggesting is that if the club was doing really well at this point in time many whining now would suggest it was an error of judgement and actually see the letter for what it is rather than isn’t.

Albert has merely given his perspective on Brett Finch from the position of a friend of the family thus knowing him for many years and also from the perspective of his time in the NSW Police Force and having dealings with people in such matters.

There is no doubt in my mind that Albert has seen many things we would not be privy to and therefore he would be entitled to make an informed opinion

Albert has not condoned anything about pedophilia he has given his honest view that Brett Finch was in a bad mental space due to drugs and that his actions were drug induced and not “normal” behaviour.

If that is what Albert believes and let’s face it he would know more than anyone else here then for Albert he is merely stating the facts as he sees them nothing more nothing less he erred in doing it on club letterhead and signing it as the chairman and he admits that.

All the madness in here inferring Finch himself was directly involved in kiddy fiddling is unfounded and ill advised.

So in the end if Albert wasn’t so disliked / hated for his previous tenures at the club and if people aren’t so obsessed with thinking he is manipulating everything club wise to accomodate Dean then I do think people would see this issue for what it is and not be so incensed.

Albert used the club’s letterhead in support of someone who has plead guilty to using a carriage service to make available child abuse material.

That logo represents all of us. That’s the issue.

 

[Qdf]

No not at all

What I am suggesting is that if the club was doing really well at this point in time many whining now would suggest it was an error of judgement and actually see the letter for what it is rather than isn’t.

Albert has merely given his perspective on Brett Finch from the position of a friend of the family thus knowing him for many years and also from the perspective of his time in the NSW Police Force and having dealings with people in such matters.

There is no doubt in my mind that Albert has seen many things we would not be privy to and therefore he would be entitled to make an informed opinion

Albert has not condoned anything about pedophilia he has given his honest view that Brett Finch was in a bad mental space due to drugs and that his actions were drug induced and not “normal” behaviour.

If that is what Albert believes and let’s face it he would know more than anyone else here then for Albert he is merely stating the facts as he sees them nothing more nothing less he erred in doing it on club letterhead and signing it as the chairman and he admits that.

All the madness in here inferring Finch himself was directly involved in kiddy fiddling is unfounded and ill advised.

So in the end if Albert wasn’t so disliked / hated for his previous tenures at the club and if people aren’t so obsessed with thinking he is manipulating everything club wise to accomodate Dean then I do think people would see this issue for what it is and not be so incensed.

You are so full of shit.

 

[Old Timer]

The letterhead casts the reference as being of an official as opposed to a personal nature.

It could invoke the support of the entire club for what is essentially a private representation and one not shared by the club as an entity.

In my view, it’s not the reference per se but the potential misrepresentation of the clubs views that is the problem.

A suggestion that it is official policy when it is not.

I can’t see it bringing the game into disrepute, but more so Albert for his indulgence. Potentially misrepresenting the club when you are a chairman is entirely unsound.

He should have known it is a very sensitive issue and the clubs name should not have been invoked in any fashion.

He could have outlined his personal virtues and positions under private letterhead.

There is nothing you have said that I disagree with and in fact I have posted all those sentiments.

His issue lies with the BOD for his error in judgement re using club letterhead and position.

Albert could have easily said all of it by using his own stationary and using different wording / phraseology.

 

[Old Timer]

You are so full of shit.

Lol you are so misguided and full of vitriol it is palpable.

If this place has posters willing to cheat the salary cap it would be a mere bagatelle for them to turn a blind eye for success.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

There is nothing you have said that I disagree with and in fact I have posted all those sentiments.

His issue lies with the BOD for his error in judgement re using club letterhead and position.

Albert could have easily said all of it by using his own stationary and using different wording / phraseology.

True enough.

Brett has argued that he was originally looking to procure illicit drugs on this putrid site at the suggestion of one of his dealers.

But I am not aware of any requests by him to procure drugs on that site, nor whether any other participants in this disgusting sick business we’re drug users etc that he could get drugs from.

That is the kind of evidence I would be trying to adduce if I was defending him. If it’s possible, getting his whacko dealer to attest to the court that it was at his suggestion or any emails etc to that effect.

It may also suit his narrative if he can evidence that his regular drug dealers run dry or what have you.

But an issue for him may be his return to the site, not just the one visit, which is frightening.

Drugs are very very bad news, but whether or not they are capable of turning one into a pedo, I’m skeptical, in my own world experience, I’m not convinced at this time.

That’s my own view anyway. Court could come a different conclusion which is understood.

As a hunch, I don’t think he will do full time custody. I accept I could be mistaken. I would not be gutted if that was the outcome.

 

[Old Timer]

Albert used the club’s letterhead in support of someone who has plead guilty to using a carriage service to make available child abuse material.

That logo represents all of us. That’s the issue.

That is not in dispute never has been.

I do however dispute the point that Albert’s reference is bringing the game into disrepute.

I would still like to know how the copy of the reference got into the journalists hands.

 

[SBD82]

That is not in dispute never has been.

I do however dispute the point that Albert’s reference is bringing the game into disrepute.

I would still like to know how the copy of the reference got into the journalists hands.

Who cares? Shit behaviour should always be brought into the limelight. It’s not as though it didn’t happen.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Albert has about a month left of his tenure as Chairman, I don't think they'll "remove' him from that position outwardly. Inwardly, it may be a different story.

The greater question, imo, is what happens after the change of Chairmanship, and whether Albert, holds a position back on the Board.

I guess we won't know that for some time.

 

[SBD82]

Albert has about a month left of his tenure as Chairman, I don't think they'll "remove' him from that position outwardly. Inwardly, it may be a different story.

The greater question, imo, is what happens after the change of Chairmanship, and whether Albert, holds a position back on the Board.

I guess we won't know that for some time.

Sadly, I think we all know the answer already.

 

[_Johnsy]

Albert has about a month left of his tenure as Chairman, I don't think they'll "remove' him from that position outwardly. Inwardly, it may be a different story.

The greater question, imo, is what happens after the change of Chairmanship, and whether Albert, holds a position back on the Board.

I guess we won't know that for some time.

I think they should remove him ASAP, if only to make a clear & concise statement/stand. We all know that will never happen.

 

[Old Timer]

Who cares? Shit behaviour should always be brought into the limelight. It’s not as though it didn’t happen.

Regardless of Albert’s stupidity it doesn’t make it right that what I would consider privileged information is leaked into the general domain.

Many posters in here blow up a treat about snap shots and videos of players being leaked and IMO this is no different.

If such documents are for the public record then so be it but if not that’s a problem in my book as it allows for discriminatory journalism.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Albert has about a month left of his tenure as Chairman, I don't think they'll "remove' him from that position outwardly. Inwardly, it may be a different story.

The greater question, imo, is what happens after the change of Chairmanship, and whether Albert, holds a position back on the Board.

I guess we won't know that for some time.

You’d have to weigh up whether or not his tenure has been valuable and constructive overall.

Apart from the impugned reference, has he done any other untoward or secretive favours to mates?

He’s clearly over-reached on this occasion.

All said, this event is nothing compared to the deep destructive nepotism and mateship currently running along at the Wests Tigers.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

True enough.

Brett has argued that he was originally looking to procure illicit drugs on this putrid site at the suggestion of one of his dealers.

But I am not aware of any requests by him to procure drugs on that site, nor whether any other participants in this disgusting sick business we’re drug users etc that he could get drugs from.

That is the kind of evidence I would be trying to adduce if I was defending him. If it’s possible, getting his whacko dealer to attest to the court that it was at his suggestion or any emails etc to that effect.

It may also suit his narrative if he can evidence that his regular drug dealers run dry or what have you.

But an issue for him may be his return to the site, not just the one visit, which is frightening.

Drugs are very very bad news, but whether or not they are capable of turning one into a pedo, I’m skeptical, in my own world experience, I’m not convinced at this time.

That’s my own view anyway. Court could come a different conclusion which is understood.

As a hunch, I don’t think he will do full time custody. I accept I could be mistaken. I would not be gutted if that was the outcome.

Was speaking to some colleagues who are very connected in the footy world (ex players/officials) about this the other day and they said that that story or elements of it at least check out, in the sense that Finch had a massive drug problem and it’s not unbelievable that he’d have made some terrible decisions in order to feed it. Though personally I’m still sceptical that associating with nonces would be the kind of terrible decision you’d make to score a few bags.

 

[SBD82]

Regardless of Albert’s stupidity it doesn’t make it right that what I would consider privileged information is leaked into the general domain.

Many posters in here blow up a treat about snap shots and videos of players being leaked and IMO this is no different.

If such documents are for the public record then so be it but if not that’s a problem in my book as it allows for discriminatory journalism.

All journalism is discriminatory.

But yes. Character references can be requested by journos, but there is not an absolute right that they can be accessed.

But again, who cares? The facts are clear. Why is it relevant how they were discovered?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Was speaking to some colleagues who are very connected in the footy world (ex players/officials) about this the other day and they said that that story or elements of it at least check out, in the sense that Finch had a massive drug problem and it’s not unbelievable that he’d have made some terrible decisions in order to feed it. Though personally I’m still sceptical that associating with nonces would be the kind of terrible decision you’d make to score a few bags.

Yeah I’m of the same persuasion.

I’m not sure legally, but I’d be looking to get his miscreant dealer who suggested the fast chat course to him up on the stand to verify that somewhat strange story.

Secure an indemnity from prosecution for the dealer.

And of course, any other corroborating information, from friends who knew anything about it if available.

He should at least try to procure this and then evidence that this was a genuine attempt.

Otherwise, he’s making a submission with the line of enquiry reaching a dead end which is not as compelling as third party material.

If I wanted to abuse drugs, the last place on earth I’d seek them is in a pedo ring full of pieces of shit. So there’s a lot of explaining to be done.

Bretts expert said he wasn’t interested in kids at all, not a danger to them, but I do not know how the expert fared under cross examination.

If I was the prosecution, I’d ask the court to exercise extreme caution weighing up whether or not the drug excuse is valid or in the future others may seek to rely upon it for such reprehensible and vile conduct.

It just can’t be right that just because you’re off your head, you can do anything you want.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I was checking lads:

His Honour Judge Mahony is about the best draw Brett can get.

So if he qualifies, I think he will get sentenced to imprisonment but he will be allowed to serve it in the community.

Intensive Correction Orders

An ICO is a custodial sentence of up two years that the court decides can be served in the community.

correctiveservices.dcj.nsw.gov.au

Probably put conditions on him such as no drugs, no internet, counselling, and all of that.

If he’s in the custody, as a celeb, he’s fair game. The sex offenders unit, he might have to go into the protection or whatever they call it.

You’d probably get prisoner respect in prison if Brett was your “bitch” somehow in some way. Handing over his commissary to you etc.

For all you youngsters on the forum, this is the rest of life terror you risk if you get into the gear, you lose your head and unless there is a miracle, you’re finished. Plus you piss off the rest of us wage slaves with your selfish candy store popper f**kedness.

As a life choice, take a deep breath and jog on past the drug life. Things will work out much better for you and everyone who loves and cares about you.

 

[SBD82]

I was checking lads:

His Honour Judge Mahony is about the best draw Brett can get.

So if he qualifies, I think he will get sentenced to imprisonment but he will be allowed to serve it in the community.

Intensive Correction Orders

An ICO is a custodial sentence of up two years that the court decides can be served in the community.

correctiveservices.dcj.nsw.gov.au

Probably put conditions on him such as no drugs, no internet, counselling, and all of that.

If he’s in the custody, as a celeb, he’s fair game. The sex offenders unit, he might have to go into the protection or whatever they call it.

You’d probably get prisoner respect in prison if Brett was your “bitch” somehow in some way. Handing over his commissary to you etc.

For all you youngsters on the forum, this is the rest of life terror you risk if you get into the gear, you lose your head and unless there is a miracle, you’re finished. Plus you piss off the rest of us wage slaves with your selfish candy store popper f**kedness.

As a life choice, take a deep breath and jog on past the drug life. Things will work out much better for you and everyone who loves and cares about you.

Remember kids. If you smoke the marijuana you will end up as a pedophile.