Crowd Watch Mk 3

[counterpuncher]

No excuses, two teams playing at their home ground, spot in the GF up for grabs. Shouldn't have to rely on any neutrals at all to boost the numbers.

If just a fraction of the 20 billion people who marched to Town Hall for bunny justice turned up, all would be sweet.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Rewinding the clock for an observation on sydney crowds this season. I cant be sure as i dont have the records for sydney only games across the years but from the crowd data i have put together this year i have a hunch the average of 15,814 is the highest its ever been. Can anyone confirm this?

and FYI this is games in sydney metro i.e. no wollongong, gosford, interstate or suncorp double headers are included even though they are the crowds of sydney clubs they weren't played in sydney!

 

[Saint Doc]

League's greatest asset is it's greatest weakness.




Tribalism.



I hate AFL, but I respect the fact that the Swans are popular and have done well. But the difference between the crowds is this:

* Going to the AFL is going to be 20,000 Collingwood fans. Every Swans fan. Every GWS fan. Everyone who has ever lived in Victoria. Everyone who lives in ACT for work from the Southern states. Their TV ratings in Sydney will be 36 people because they will have maximised their potential audience into a crowd. And good on them, I wouldnt care if no-one in Melbourne watched TV if the Storm got 65,000 to the MCG for this week.

* In NRL, there will be 30000 Dogs fans, 30000 Souths fans and 7000 neutrals. Meanwhile, 600,000 people will sit at home and watch on TV. I consider myself a league nut...Saints member, spend alot of time on forums, twitter is all league, constantly wearing merch etc. But theres no way Im going because I HATE both teams with a passion. I would have gone if a team I was impartial about were playing - Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys. But those two? No way. And its this tribalism that makes league great. But it certainly caps our crowds.

 

[Kurt Angle]

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with BM.

Suity

It makes sense, there is no denying that Parramatta are the most supported club in Sydney, the 2009 qualifying final had around 50,000 Eels fans to around 25,000 doggies fans.

That's just the way it is, but I think I have an explanation for the fickle attitude.

I have encountered a lot of educated people in my line of work, masters degrees holders and the sprinkling of PhD's. Whilst not many follow support a great deal, and that includes RL, the ones that do are overwhelmingly Parra supporters. Amongst Sydney club, tigers are next but still along way down.

I think it's this which is why many Parra fans disappear when the team isn't faring well. Parra fans have the richest and most interesting lives amongst all RL fans.

Whether they are doing research to find a cure for cancer, programming space shuttle launches, or having 3 girl-1 guy group sex, they will always have something interesting to do, and unfortunately for parra's ticket revenue, they will opt for these endeavours when a losing team seems uninteresting.

Doggies fans, well going to and from the game easily accommodates anti-social mayhem such as vandalism, harassing caucasian chicks or burning Australian flags.

Souths fans hope to find empty cars or houses to break and enter in to on the way to or from the ground.

So for both of these clubs will have a full attendance week in, week out because they don't have much else going for them.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Great. By my calculations it'll be around 65k when it gets to 50/50. Add in ANZ members and we should get the 75-80k

Its been mentioned a few times , but the tickets sold figure already includes members. ( same goes for the AFL)

Members need to book tickets for these games and the ticketing is handled by ticketek.

 

[Billythekid]

It makes sense, there is no denying that Parramatta are the most supported club in Sydney, the 2009 qualifying final had around 50,000 Eels fans to around 25,000 doggies fans.

That's just the way it is, but I think I have an explanation for the fickle attitude.

I have encountered a lot of educated people in my line of work, masters degrees holders and the sprinkling of PhD's. Whilst not many follow support a great deal, and that includes RL, the ones that do are overwhelmingly Parra supporters. Amongst Sydney club, tigers are next but still along way down.

I think it's this which is why many Parra fans disappear when the team isn't faring well. Parra fans have the richest and most interesting lives amongst all RL fans.

Whether they are doing research to find a cure for cancer, programming space shuttle launches, or having 3 girl-1 guy group sex, they will always have something interesting to do, and unfortunately for parra's ticket revenue, they will opt for these endeavours when a losing team seems uninteresting.

Doggies fans, well going to and from the game easily accommodates anti-social mayhem such as vandalism, harassing caucasian chicks or burning Australian flags.

Souths fans hope to find empty cars or houses to break and enter in to on the way to or from the ground.

So for both of these clubs will have a full attendance week in, week out because they don't have much else going for them.

You have got to be the dumbest poster on this forum. I'd like to think you're trolling but you just keep repeating the same sh*t. It's annoying how these crowd threads have just devolved into this crap, it's a cesspool and it makes it hard to have any real discussion without getting washed away in a sea of stupid.

 

[Spanner in the works]

I went to Parra v Dogs was better atmosphere than the GF the week after...


GF's have too many neutrals...

Gives me the shits. Supporters from the two first grade teams WILL sell out the game, and even if they don't, the neutrals plus supporters from the lower grade teams will buy the rest. Another thing for the ARLC to address.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

League's greatest asset is it's greatest weakness.




Tribalism.



I hate AFL, but I respect the fact that the Swans are popular and have done well. But the difference between the crowds is this:

* Going to the AFL is going to be 20,000 Collingwood fans. Every Swans fan. Every GWS fan. Everyone who has ever lived in Victoria. Everyone who lives in ACT for work from the Southern states. Their TV ratings in Sydney will be 36 people because they will have maximised their potential audience into a crowd. And good on them, I wouldnt care if no-one in Melbourne watched TV if the Storm got 65,000 to the MCG for this week.

* In NRL, there will be 30000 Dogs fans, 30000 Souths fans and 7000 neutrals. Meanwhile, 600,000 people will sit at home and watch on TV. I consider myself a league nut...Saints member, spend alot of time on forums, twitter is all league, constantly wearing merch etc. But theres no way Im going because I HATE both teams with a passion. I would have gone if a team I was impartial about were playing - Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys. But those two? No way. And its this tribalism that makes league great. But it certainly caps our crowds.

Good post, although I suspect lazyness and/or lukewarm motivation is just as much a factor as tribalism. It's too easy and quite satisfactory to watch league on telly, AFL has been touted a thousand times as better to watch at the ground. Mark my words, channel 9 retaining the rights, broadcasting in standard definition and continuing with Rabs/Gus would and will play a large role in underpinning league average crowds.

 

[Bumble]

League's greatest asset is it's greatest weakness.




Tribalism.



I hate AFL, but I respect the fact that the Swans are popular and have done well. But the difference between the crowds is this:

* Going to the AFL is going to be 20,000 Collingwood fans. Every Swans fan. Every GWS fan. Everyone who has ever lived in Victoria. Everyone who lives in ACT for work from the Southern states. Their TV ratings in Sydney will be 36 people because they will have maximised their potential audience into a crowd. And good on them, I wouldnt care if no-one in Melbourne watched TV if the Storm got 65,000 to the MCG for this week.

* In NRL, there will be 30000 Dogs fans, 30000 Souths fans and 7000 neutrals. Meanwhile, 600,000 people will sit at home and watch on TV. I consider myself a league nut...Saints member, spend alot of time on forums, twitter is all league, constantly wearing merch etc. But theres no way Im going because I HATE both teams with a passion. I would have gone if a team I was impartial about were playing - Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys. But those two? No way. And its this tribalism that makes league great. But it certainly caps our crowds.

A great post, and very true. Add in the complete apathy of so many NRL fans in Sydney that prefer to watch games at home than at the stadium. I have a tonne of friends that 'support' NRL teams but don't go to games. It's a total f**king disgrace IMO

 

[cleary89]

Im the same, would try and get a heap of mates to go to games but its tough, all though all my afl playing mates pretty much go to every swans game. Nrl supporters would rather watch it at the pub then go to homebush.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

I honestly think the difference in mobilizing fans comes down to "inclusion "

The traditional rugby league culture unfortunately is not one of an inclusive system

If you attend for example a local league game, and you not a parent, friend, etc there is a general feeling of what the f**k are you doing here lingering in the air

This attitude I think has been ingrained in rugby league thru generations, supported by the large super clubs in sydney that due to rivers of gambling gold, did not need to chase people to come to the game

The top brass of the roosters or example are all happy to sit in corporate boxes with a crowd of 6000 in attendance

Their attitude is who cares,

Unfortunately this culture takes generations to weed out, it's starting but its slow

 

[ouwet]

It makes sense, there is no denying that Parramatta are the most supported club in Sydney, the 2009 qualifying final had around 50,000 Eels fans to around 25,000 doggies fans.

I stopped reading your dribble here... Total BS!

Anyways back to the topic... 57,000+ was the figure at 5pm! Last night at the Bulldogs shop in Bankstown, there was a constant flow of people buying tickets to the game! I'm still confident we'll get 70,000. I'm also more confident now, Bulldog supporters will outnumber South Sydney supporters, it seems like every South Sydney support bought tickets to the game monday and tuesday.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I honestly think the difference in mobilizing fans comes down to "inclusion "

The traditional rugby league culture unfortunately is not one of an inclusive system

If you attend for example a local league game, and you not a parent, friend, etc there is a general feeling of what the f**k are you doing here lingering in the air

This attitude I think has been ingrained in rugby league thru generations, supported by the large super clubs in sydney that due to rivers of gambling gold, did not need to chase people to come to the game

The top brass of the roosters or example are all happy to sit in corporate boxes with a crowd of 6000 in attendance

Their attitude is who cares,

Unfortunately this culture takes generations to weed out, it's starting but its slow

Regarding inclusion at the club level the biggest difference between us and the AFL is voting rights.

Members of clubs in the AFL can have a direct say over the running of the club.

Rugby league clubs have for decades avoided accountability by denying members voting rights.


Increase accountability and you'll increase membership and then increase the crowds.

 

[Brutus]

I honestly think the difference in mobilizing fans comes down to "inclusion "

The traditional rugby league culture unfortunately is not one of an inclusive system

If you attend for example a local league game, and you not a parent, friend, etc there is a general feeling of what the f**k are you doing here lingering in the air

This attitude I think has been ingrained in rugby league thru generations, supported by the large super clubs in sydney that due to rivers of gambling gold, did not need to chase people to come to the game

The top brass of the roosters or example are all happy to sit in corporate boxes with a crowd of 6000 in attendance

Their attitude is who cares,

Unfortunately this culture takes generations to weed out, it's starting but its slow

Some interesting observations there. Pretty much on the money.

 

[LatK7]

It will be very disappointing if this one doesn't crack 70k. Promotion seems weak. In 2009 Channel 9 were running a hype story every night on the 6pm news. It isn't the same this time around, unfortunately.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Regarding inclusion at the club level the biggest difference between us and the AFL is voting rights.

Members of clubs in the AFL can have a direct say over the running of the club.

Rugby league clubs have for decades avoided accountability by denying members voting rights.


Increase accountability and you'll increase membership and then increase the crowds.

Yeah totally agree

NRL membership still to this day at the majority of clubs, doesn't give you any say , gives you no voice

The blazer wearing brigade, hold the clubs so close, and will not let anyone else in

I think this fear of outside voices in the boardrooms comes back to maybe a lower education level of these guys

They are worried that if they genuinely give the members a say, they will get caught out on something

In the past their love of the club. Has strangled the supporter base

An inclusive club would insist on a fan advocate to sit on a nine man board

 

[azza29]

Still lots of seats available for tonight's game. GA has sold out, but at this stage I reckon 25k might be a stretch.

I'm guessing a lot of members snapped up a GA ticket early to save some cash for a possible GF trip next weekend. Plenty of coverage in the paper and on social media but Cat 1/2 might be a bit pricey for the casual supporters.

 

[Suitman]

It will be very disappointing if this one doesn't crack 70k. Promotion seems weak. In 2009 Channel 9 were running a hype story every night on the 6pm news. It isn't the same this time around, unfortunately.

The Home of Rugby League.

Suity

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...re-bums-on-seats/story-e6frg7t6-1226478413172

The great game of league deserves more bums on seats

by: CRAIG BELLAMY
From: The Australian
September 21, 2012 12:00AM

YOU probably expect me to talk about tonight's Melbourne-Manly game. But there's been enough said during the week and I'd like to turn to our finals format this year.

Everyone is aware that the four NRL teams left this weekend were also the top four at the end of the 26 rounds - Canterbury, Souths, Manly and Melbourne.

It's the same story in the AFL with Hawthorn, Adelaide, Sydney and Collingwood also in action tonight and tomorrow. They also filled the top four places on the ladder after 23 rounds.

And it's the AFL system that the NRL has adopted, so it's a pretty historic year this time around for rugby league.

You have to give the ARL commissioners a bit of a rap because they made that decision rather quickly before the season started in their first year in charge of the game. But there are other similarities with the AFL.

There is one game in Sydney and one game in Melbourne for both codes.

It's ironic that the Swans and Magpies play up in Sydney tonight and Storm and Manly play down in Melbourne. It's a switch tomorrow with the Hawks and Adelaide down here and Canterbury and Souths up there.

While there are parallels, the difference between the two codes is the size of the crowds. It's fair to say the NRL crowds for the finals have been a bit disappointing.

History has shown us the Aussie rules supporters turn up in greater numbers, not only for finals but throughout the season. They get bigger AFL crowds in Melbourne when Sydney has the bigger population.

There's a couple of things to note about that. Rugby league is a better game to watch on television, or rather a game more suited to television because the action happens pretty close to the ball.

You watch an AFL game and a lot happens away from the ball, at either end of the field.

So a lot of people want to stay home and watch the NRL on television, whereas the AFL is a great live event because you need to see where everything is happening on the field.

That's one thing that we as a club want to see and I'm sure most clubs would like the ARLC to work with clubs and find ways to get more people to the game.

We don't want a slip in crowds. We want to attract people to our game and give them more reasons to come and watch live and have a memorable time.

We have these great stadiums to play in so we should work with them on how to entertain and interact with the fans better.

If we've received a good deal with the new broadcast rights, then we have to use some of that to get more people to our game.

I know at Melbourne Storm the administration is always looking at different ways to attract more fans and new people to our game.

We have a wonderful stadium in AAMI Park and over 2011-12 have had three record-breaking attendances. Over 20,000 fans turned up for our first final against the Rabbitohs and, as of yesterday, 18,000 tickets had already been pre-sold for tonight's match. So while our code is enjoyable to watch on TV, hopefully there are more people who will enjoy the live experience.

I'm hearing there will be 70,000 people to the Bulldogs-Souths game tomorrow night at ANZ Stadium. That is also a really good sign for our game and hopefully we'll see this more often.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Thanks Craig, enlightening stuff.

I'm still left wondering what it is that happens 'off the ball' that has got crowds so enraptured in ozzie rules.