Defectors, Returners and Loyalty

[juanfarkall]

I tend to get a little annoyed when a bloke who is closer to 500K a year than 75K a year says that they are making the change because they "have a family to think of".

 

[bluesbreaker]

I'd take SBW back for the Knights... He only ditched the Bulldogs.

The other two are just ordinary. cutie was about #5 in the fullback stakes, and Folau was nothing but a finisher.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

The only things I hate about it is the BS they go on about needing a new challenge, just state the bloody truth that it's about money.

The other thing that really pisses me off is the same guys getting a newspaper column every week or cameras in their face and rubbishing the code they grew up with.

 

[Titanic]

How come the Broncos seem to be the capital of the turncoats? Sailor, Tequiri, Barnes, Folau, cutie. No other club has that record. Why?

Some could argue that's it's a culture within the club that gave us the Stupid League hernia while others could point out that it's because they play fair and barely fit under the salary cap thus being susceptible to offers of getting overs from anywhere ... don't forget Brad Thorn.

How I miss the days when players would pee mid field rather than let their mates down but then again I also miss one dollar beers.

As far as those three players are concerned I'd take them at the Titans because any one of them could play 5/8 better than Carty's boy Zillman.

 

[AuDragon]

The only things I hate about it is the BS they go on about needing a new challenge, just state the bloody truth that it's about money.

If they could do that, they wouldn't get that kind of money, as most of it is to make the other code look favourable. Telling it like it is won't do that... :shock:

Which is why I'm not too peeved about Folau. That amount of money for a 21 y/o who only has to look good in a AFL jersey and pretend he prefers that code to RL (which he sucks at), is almost impossible to say no to, especially when the person is not the brightest light... :sarcasm:

The other two deliberatly screwed their club, and that makes a whole lot worse imo.

 

[BM1979]

It's all just a business now and loyalty does not exist. I am a Dogs supporter and was disgusted with what $BW did but over time have come to realise you reap what you Sow.

Loudy mentioned players losing loyalty and I completely agree with his sentiments about what he posted but I have seen our club commit just as big dog acts the last few years.

Corey Hughes wanted to be a one club man but the Dogs did not want to give him another year. The club also dogged Kane Cleal and Newcastle did the same to Reynoldson. Why do we just hold players accountable in regards to loyalty , the clubs are just as bad.

 

[Canard]

Not sure this is the direction the OP intended, but its not like this "loyalty" issue is a recent trend in professional sports or League though, its been happening since the late 60's at least.

What is loyalty anyway, if a player who has been at a club for 10 years gets an downgraded contract, that he feels is insulting and decides to go elsewhere for more cash is that "disloyal"?

What about sports with drafts? AFL, NBA, NFL etc. your loyalty is up for grabs, you play all your juniors in a certain area, club system etc. and then suddenly your a moved 1000km away to play for a team.

I wonder do fans get upset in those sports? "Oh we went to the trouble of drafting him, now he is leaving"???

 

[Parra]

Not sure this is the direction the OP intended, but its not like this "loyalty" issue is a recent trend in professional sports or League though, its been happening since the late 60's at least.

What is loyalty anyway, if a player who has been at a club for 10 years gets an downgraded contract, that he feels is insulting and decides to go elsewhere for more cash is that "disloyal"?

What about sports with drafts? AFL, NBA, NFL etc. your loyalty is up for grabs, you play all your juniors in a certain area, club system etc. and then suddenly your a moved 1000km away to play for a team.

I wonder do fans get upset in those sports? "Oh we went to the trouble of drafting him, now he is leaving"???

It used to be people whinging about juniors not showing loyalty when signing to another team. Before that the whinging was about residency rules being stretched and the idea of being loyal to the district you live in. Now it is whinging about cross-code players.

Some people just like to whinge.

 

[Parra]

Tell that to Souths and Norths idiot.

Souths are still around and Norths were victims of treachery & administrative incompetence. The annoyance was that Norths had enough money to stand alone when they merged.

A better example for you to use would be the Gold Coast Chargers. They disappeared due an NRL decision and they also had cash in the bank when it happened.

The disloyalty that was difficult to tolerate, and should not have been tolerated, was the move to SL by Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla.

Player movements are insignificant in comparison.

I understand their need to cite fake reasons for switching back and forth. Leaving a code for 'the challenge' is as invalid as returning because it is a 'better game'. Money talks.

I haven't seen cases of a player bagging out his previous code. The only bagging currently is Mason v union - and that is the code he is currently in.

I don't read aussie rules articles, so maybe I have missed something there.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Souths are still around and Norths were victims of treachery & administrative incompetence. The annoyance was that Norths had enough money to stand alone when they merged.

A better example for you to use would be the Gold Coast Chargers. They disappeared due an NRL decision and they also had cash in the bank when it happened.

The disloyalty that was difficult to tolerate, and should not have been tolerated, was the move to SL by Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla.

Player movements are insignificant in comparison.

I understand their need to cite fake reasons for switching back and forth. Leaving a code for 'the challenge' is as invalid as returning because it is a 'better game'. Money talks.

I haven't seen cases of a player bagging out his previous code. The only bagging currently is Mason v union - and that is the code he is currently in.

I don't read aussie rules articles, so maybe I have missed something there.

You don't remember the likes of Rogers and co telling other RL players in the newspapers columns how great it is and they should also come over? :roll:

And then there was another of the idiots who had a list of NRL players the ARU should've poached.

 

[Parra]

You don't remember the likes of Rogers and co telling other RL players in the newspapers columns how great it is and they should also come over? :roll:

And then there was another of the idiots who had a list of NRL players the ARU should've poached.

Nope. The ARU targeted specific players. It would hardly matter what Rogers or any other convert said - it would be up to the people responsible for recruitment.

Any high profile player when signing with a new club will be interviewed and trot out the same cliches - it is great here, the boys are pumped, this is the toughest off season ever etc etc.

This is no different.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Nope. The ARU targeted specific players. It would hardly matter what Rogers or any other convert said - it would be up to the people responsible for recruitment.

Any high profile player when signing with a new club will be interviewed and trot out the same cliches - it is great here, the boys are pumped, this is the toughest off season ever etc etc.

This is no different.

It was different, there were threads about it in TFC before you even got here (not unless you were here under another username). :roll:

 

[Parra]

It was different, there were threads about it in TFC before you even got here (not unless you were here under another username). :roll:

You should keep your unsubstantiated allegations in TFC. I am not saying Rogers didn't write something that upset you, but TFC is hardly a credible source. You make it sound like Matt Rogers is the exception that proves the rule anyway.

I know Ray Price had some choice words for the ARU when he signed for the Eels, but he was aiming at the administration, not the players or the sport.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

You should keep your unsubstantiated allegations in TFC. I am not saying Rogers didn't write something that upset you, but TFC is hardly a credible source. You make it sound like Matt Rogers is the exception that proves the rule anyway.

I know Ray Price had some choice words for the ARU when he signed for the Eels, but he was aiming at the administration, not the players or the sport.

f**k off unionite troll, TFC has links to more articles than you can usually find searching for hours on the net.

It was discussed in there many times by many people.

 

[RL The greatest game]

Once they sign for these inferior football codes i would make them wait at least 5 years before the could return to our game. That way at least they will think twice before signing for Yawnion and fumbleball.

 

[Parra]

f**k off unionite troll

You stayed on message longer than usual, but then reverted to type. Nice try.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Yeah, and you opened your big f**king mouth again about a subject you obviously have nfi about.

Hey, looked to see if Adelaide has reported any RL news lately? Remember, all coverage is good coverage huh?

Derp!

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

You signed up here in 2008 yet you seem to think you know what we were talking about when the big names went to union years before you were here, and I might add in a part of this site you can't see without being a member.

You're a dickhead.

 

[RL The greatest game]

No one has mentioned Tahu in this.
Came back a shadow of the player he was before he left yet still got handed a NSW jersey on his return (though I'm sure that has more to do with the incompetence of the Blues selectors than anything else).

All the players who have returned to Rugby League after a spell in union have gone backwards in their fitness and their skill sets on their return to Rugby League.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Nope. The ARU targeted specific players. It would hardly matter what Rogers or any other convert said - it would be up to the people responsible for recruitment.

Any high profile player when signing with a new club will be interviewed and trot out the same cliches - it is great here, the boys are pumped, this is the toughest off season ever etc etc.

This is no different.

You are incorrect on account of it being no different to comments when signing with a new club. But you seem quite unfamiliar with the material in discussion so I could understand you're ignorance.

The Courier-Mail articles attributed to Sailor in the period after his signing were quite clearly ghost-written, near advertisements for Union. They included diatribes about the state of the game, benefits of playing etcetera, etcetera. They were explicit in detail and single-minded in their purpose - that is to deride Rugby League and sell Union.

It was an ugly period in the history of that sport and it's now something it's proponents look upon unfavourably. In much the same way the Hunt/Folau fiasco is now making ozzie rules look plastic and a game in the hands of marketers.

I ask you to find me people who think that period in Union's history was a real positive?