So much trash has been spewed by doggiesbrahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that I couldn't help but respond and show him for what he is: a biased idiot troll with no idea.
this guy doesn't seem to understand that certain dog players are better then certain manly players
I do, I just disagree about how many. 8-7 in the dogs favour is a bit rich considering the respective seasons of the clubs, but not according to you. According to you, the 2nd place finishing side who finished as Premiers has a worse overall team than the team who finished, what, 9th?...............................................................................ok.
to insult a guy like pritchard by saying tony williams is better is an out and out joke, t rex has had one good finals run before then was meh
Top scored for Manly last year playing on the wing with 15 or so tries and was a good performer all year, if not as dominant as he was at the back end of this year at 2nd row. Show he is versatile and can add something to the team when not on. Is playing for Australia at the moment, but youre right, it is insulting to compare him to Pritchard, who is at home watching the New Zealand play on TV
pritchard has proven many years that he is a good player and has always been one of the best forwards just lacked consistency
He has proven over many years that he can be an amazing and unstoppable player on his day but lacked consistency. I would personally define a good player as one who performs at a high level consistently. I would not define Prithard as good, I would define him as talented but lazy.
further more i don't know about you, but i'd rather my team be building to something
I dont know about you but Id prefer to win the title now than take my chance with the rest of the 15 clubs, even if my club is in a strong position.
Either starting prop for Manly for tolman quiet easily. Ennis again easily.
Troll. If, and thats a massive if, Ennis is better, its not easily. This isnt comparing Smith to Buttriss ffs, the two are reasonably close, but Ballin is clearly ahead. And, as youve been mistaken (re: trolling) before Ill spell it out here clearly for you: I WOULD TAKE TOLMAN OVER ANY PROP IN MANLYS TEAM. Did you get it that time?
How is it cheating? If you were to merge the two teams as said at the start he would plain and simple take over the role of utility on the bench
Its cheating because you are desperately trying to include as many dogs players as possible. Manly dont play with a useless utility player, and the combined team shouldnt either, if it wants to win titles. Barba is either number 1 or back-up. Given the choices he would be back-up. No contest.
two unknown wingers now hoppa/robertson gone (who i admit are better then any dog winger in 2012)
Troll. Wolfman is hardly unknown, and while not a world beater of nsw/Australia standard despite getting there in his debut season, he is much better than Turner, and any other dogs winger. Oldfield looks good but is relatively untested so I would give Turner the nod as the second winger.
Lets see how he goes with a Lockyer or Thurston feeding ball instead of Keating
We wont see that because he wont play, bar the nothing game where all the fringe players get a run. Lockyer and Thurston wont be playing that game.
If you took Foran out of Manly and swaped him with Keating do you think Morris would look alot better?
Again, why do we have to swap? The teams are as they are. If you took our Kite and Rose and swapped them with Scott and Petero our front row would look a lot better, wouldnt it? Is that relevant? Not really.
Besides all this it was never about these players it was purely that if these clubs were merged there is no way i nthe world Tolman, Graham, Ennis, Pritchard, Eastwood, Barba, Turner would be left out of the starting 17. thats 7 to start with.
Barba would. Turner would on this years teams. Ennis wouldnt make the starting 13 but could make the bench. I wouldnt want Eastwood in my team on his recent form. If he played like he once did, perhaps then. Pritchard is a tricky one because there is a similar, but better, player in the team. If I had a guarantee he would perform at least 75% of his ability every single game, with occasional bouts of 100% form then yes.
you could argue on Matai vs Morris but in 2009 Morris would of been one of the first centres picked. 2010 injured a bit, was still solid yet the only 5/8 then Roberts was injured most of the year, 2011 was severely down on form but again had a bad injury and no class 5/8. I think it is personal taste.
Really? Down to personal taste? But you made the argument for me! Is it 2009? 2010 injuries and solid, 2011 injuries and terrible form. So youre telling me an injury prone player who hasnt had a good season for 2 years is better than a player who has performed well every single season hes played? Sorry, its no contest. Matai>Morris.
Ill also point out that Matai has played well with the whole spectrum of 5/8 around him, not just with Foran. Chris Bailey comes to mind, as does Lyon out of position for a season at 5/8, and Travis Burns who is more of a running 5/8 than playmaker. Dont try and use lack of players around him as an excuse. If you can only play well when everyone around you is playing well then youre not a great player. Look at Turner, he doesnt look like the world beater he did at Melbourne, does he? Same with Quinn when he stepped up to Origin.
Although if im as biased as you i'd probz say king cay Morris walks in over Matai due to not clutching every 2nd tackle
I know you said this not seriously as if you are as biased as that guy but Id like to address this anyway. What difference does Matai clutching at his shoulder every so often have? Comparing Matai to Morris for example, Id say a more pertinent point to make is that Matai clutches at his shoulder every so often but always plays on through the pain while Morris gets injuries that keeps him out for months at a time. Not Morris fault if he gets injured but I know Id prefer the one who plays out the full season. People go about this and I dont know why, it seems like a stupid point to make when trying to say Matais bad and/or another player is better. Its irrelevant.
Yeh he is shit hey, like ennis they just make rep for state continually over better hookers then ballin and morris makes country again even after a shit season...
on that note how crap is watmough i mean he made it for australia! he has nothing on george rose who is killing it and plays 5 minutes a game!
Troll. Wow, everything said here is worthless. Seriously, its one of the worst arguments Ive seen you make. Ennis makes rep for state continually over better hookers than Ballin. Farah is better than Ballin, which is who I assume you were referring to because I cant think of any other worthy NSW hookers. Ennis is not better than Farah, and Ennis is not better than Ballin. Farah should be playing those games for NSW but Ennis gets it because of his reputation for toughness and niggle. It is ludicrous that Ennis is considered first choice over Farah if you compare them on ability. Its not as if he has justified his selection leading NSW to wins.
Morris made country (and I assume you mean playing for his country) because practically every other centre available fell over before the line with injury/suspension/personal reasons/whatever. With a full choice of players Morris wouldnt even be spoken of as back-up to the first choice squad, so please dont delude yourself that him getting picked for Australia immediately=good. Show some form next year and then we can have this discussion again.
Making the argument that because a good Manly player made the Australian squad means that any player who makes the squad is good is stupid. For example, Morris is in the squad. Many other players not worthy have played for Australia for various reasons. Keep reaching.
And finally the cheap shot at Rose. Hes not the greatest player in the world, but hes a character, the fans love him, he does the job asked of him every time, and hes won a comp. Get over your obsession with pulling him down to strengthen your arguments.
Ennis is a far better hooker despite how much you guys hate him you can denie it all you want but he is in the 2nd group of hookers behind Smith. Ballin is in the 3rd
Troll. How many comps has Ennis won again? How many has Ballin? For that matter, how many has Farah? How many has Smith? Smith is clearly the best, Farah is the closest, with Ballin following. And no, Im not just basing this on who has won comps, but that certainly helps my argument.
LOL, Kasiano was exciting to watch, Barba was outstanding. Blokes like Pritchard and Halatau were in good form all year. Once Moore left Hodkinson was outstanding he was the best player on the field before being injured against Manly.
I'm sorry but if you think watching blokes like Galavaou and Rose and Kite and King is exciting your dilusional
Troll. You seriously make your argument by picking players like Barba and Pritchard (i.e. your exciting players) and compare them to the four least flashy players on Manlys team as your argument for whos more exciting to watch? Troll. Oh, and big Georgie has his moments. I remember a spectacular try where he bust the line and sprinted away to score, that was a sight to see.
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