Discussion with Pete Nolan

[parra-matters]

"It was all such a mess" & " The salary cap is a problem".


I'm not buying this at all. FFS the team had been in the grand final only 15 months or so earlier.

Fact is the next blokes in have a huge mess to clean up. And no amount of blame shifting in the meantime is going to change that fact.

Mate the team finished 8th that season, just snuck into the finals and through clever coaching a great form of a couple of players we pulled the minorpremiers pants down in the 1st week, beat a depleted titans in week 2 and played well against the dogs to get into the GF where the team that beat us while over the salary cap were more than a class above us.
2009 was a good half a seasonand the fact we didn't back it up in 2010 tells me that the coach and processes in place were not working. The new coaching and recruiting people have found where we are lacking and are working on fixing it, it's not a quick fix it is from the ground up.
If infact we see benefits in the the 3rd year 2013 then thats a bonus in my book because to rebulid structures and fix recruitment and retention in my book would at least be a 4-5 year job.
Problem here is the lack of patence from the some fans and the media.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I am as frustrated as everyone with our performance and of the opinion we should be performing better then we should given the squad we have - thus it does raise some questions about kearney's coaching ability . But I don't want to jump to conclusions yet and want Kearney to see out his three years before I make a call on him . Obviously there are massive changes happening in the club around changing out culture and how juniors are fast tracked to the nrl which is a positive. Changing the culture of a club takes time so I am willing to experience some short term pain for long term game. We have spent the last twenty years trying to win a comp with no success so trying a different approach may be what is required.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Mate the team finished 8th that season, just snuck into the finals and through clever coaching a great form of a couple of players we pulled the minorpremiers pants down in the 1st week, beat a depleted titans in week 2 and played well against the dogs to get into the GF where the team that beat us while over the salary cap were more than a class above us.
2009 was a good half a seasonand the fact we didn't back it up in 2010 tells me that the coach and processes in place were not working. The new coaching and recruiting people have found where we are lacking and are working on fixing it, it's not a quick fix it is from the ground up.
If infact we see benefits in the the 3rd year 2013 then thats a bonus in my book because to rebulid structures and fix recruitment and retention in my book would at least be a 4-5 year job.
Problem here is the lack of patence from the some fans and the media.

If we hadn't gone backwards from year 1 to year 2 you might have some points.

And this on the back of good signings in key positions. Attitude is worse and so is effort.

Can't see the point in having a plan if you're unable to start putting it into practice.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Mate the team finished 8th that season, just snuck into the finals and through clever coaching a great form of a couple of players we pulled the minorpremiers pants down in the 1st week, beat a depleted titans in week 2 and played well against the dogs to get into the GF where the team that beat us while over the salary cap were more than a class above us.
2009 was a good half a seasonand the fact we didn't back it up in 2010 tells me that the coach and processes in place were not working. The new coaching and recruiting people have found where we are lacking and are working on fixing it, it's not a quick fix it is from the ground up.
If infact we see benefits in the the 3rd year 2013 then thats a bonus in my book because to rebulid structures and fix recruitment and retention in my book would at least be a 4-5 year job.
Problem here is the lack of patence from the some fans and the media.

Yep agree 100% ask west farmers how long it took to change the culture and processes in their Coles business it definitely took longer the 18 months

 

[Gronk]

Why do you have to say patronising shit like "I think you're smart enough..."?

Isn't that more a bartman thing?

Sorry but I'm not bothering with twits like you today.

 

[Suitman]

Sorry but I'm not bothering with twits like you today.

Only twits like me?

Suity

 

[hineyrulz]

I'm sorry bogan. Next time I won't share any info you f**kwit.

:lol: Awwwwww, poor wittle fella. Sook.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Emjaycee you gave us nothing here. I assume that Nolan didn't name names?

I reckon it's evident that Nolan did name one name, and that MJC has kept it from us. Either that or he referred to one specifically but didn't name him.

Reading bewteen the lines though, it's fairly obvious who it is.

 

[Parra]

Mate the team finished 8th that season, just snuck into the finals

What is the problem with making the finals?

We have gone from that to battling to avoid the spoon ever since.

Some of you need to read the emperors new clothes.

 

[strider]

Yep agree 100% ask west farmers how long it took to change the culture and processes in their Coles business it definitely took longer the 18 months

bit of an apples and oranges there .... i think coles are a bit different to football operations of an NRL club with maybe bit over 100 employees

 

[Jodeci]

Yep agree 100% ask west farmers how long it took to change the culture and processes in their Coles business it definitely took longer the 18 months

In doing what they did, they did a complete clean out, re-structed the total Coles business, built a plan and stuck with it.

From 2005 to 2010, they were a complete shadow to the other major retailer.

They brought in the right people to take their business forward and now the other major competitor is about to do the same with a revamp.

 

[strider]

btw - while u can fall back on it to some extent, the "previous management f**ked it all up" thing only cuts so much mustard

every single group that takes over from another will say that at some point

for all we know in 3 years time someone else might be going - "pfffft, what were they thinking putting all their effort into kids who you never know will or won't make it and might get poached by other teams anyway, that's not the way to do it - here's a different plan" ... and everyone will go, yeah thats right we should do it this different way

 

[Gronk]

Only twits like me?

Suity

You get where I'm coming from mate. We all want success. Thats all I was pointing out.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I don't buy the salary cap story. We bought well this year and spent quite a bit of money. Next year we have a fair amount to spend also. With the players we have we should be doing much better. It's not good enough.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

- People within the club seem to be hell bent on letting anyone who'll listen that the previous coach was the issue

Nobody at the club has said it was the previous coach's fault. They are saying it's the high turnover of coaches since 2006 that is at fault.

The clean out needed to happen

Who at the club said we needed a cleanout?

Don't confuse what you hear from the club with peoples' opinions on LU. I said the club needs a cleanout but how the f**k would I know? I troll just as much as the Kearney haters.

Don't believe everything you read. Most of us are just guessing at what the problem is. I have also mentioned long-term structural neglect as a problem at the club, and here Nolan has confirmed that, while also refuting 'loser culture' as an issue. I was happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Kornstar]

In doing what they did, they did a complete clean out, re-structed the total Coles business, built a plan and stuck with it.

From 2005 to 2010, they were a complete shadow to the other major retailer.

They brought in the right people to take their business forward and now the other major competitor is about to do the same with a revamp.

:lol: a major national chain of Supermarkets with 10's of thousands of employees vs an NRL club? Exactly the same!

So it took them 5 years, must be ok for us too.......

No doubt things needed to change but 18 months in and the man in charge has taken us to rock bottom, the worst our clubs ever been and from the talk from people in the know is that next year will be more of the same?

Yep, that is great business, the right people are clearly in charge!

 

[Parra]

In doing what they did, they did a complete clean out, re-structed the total Coles business, built a plan and stuck with it.

From 2005 to 2010, they were a complete shadow to the other major retailer.

They brought in the right people to take their business forward and now the other major competitor is about to do the same with a revamp.

Terrible example. Have you bought any fruit & veg or meat from Coles lately? It is all shite.

A better analogy would be the Eels continue to merge with other clubs and then acquire clubs from other codes, dragging all sport played down to a generic common denominator that the fans must swallow because they managed to outlast or acquire and close most of the competition.


Let alone the fact that if it took them 5 years it should take an NRL team 5 days.

 

[spartan2153]

They say it takes 18 months to change culture at a club. SO i guess the second half of the season will tell us all.

The excuses we are now hearing for this year are a joke. The titans got the wooden spoon last year & bought players in key areas over the offseason & look at them now. We are told that previous management killed us. Well news flash 39 were in charge at the time. All this da blaming is a joke to be honest. He had 1 off season to spend some money. He bought a state of origin prop at the time & a city representative. HE released some over payed stars who were not performing at the time & filled them with experience & what it looked like was waiting for some real players to hit the market. He tried to get every half back available because he knew thats what we needed.

2 years on & kony spent big this off season. Upgraded in all our positions that required upgrading. Uor 7, 6 & centre. yet we have won only 1 game this year. Yet the coaching staff is still using the previous management as there fault.

All kony supporters admitted they expected top 8 this year but have changed there kpi's to suit there agenda. Coaches are paid to coach & win f**kn games. We have been terrible for most of the year. If the team was playing there best everygame & still losing we could cop that but the reality is apart from a few games we have not been in any games. Those games like tigers & canberra are not close games. Those teams swithched off.

We are the worst parra team in 60 years & this is after kony has had 2 off seasons in charge & spent big last off season. The excuses have to stop

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did we not buy halves to solve the "close" loses and...

WHOAH! Whoah.

The close losses were as much about our edge defence as they were about lack of halves. As you can see we've bought some outside backs but the only good defender was Willie Tonga and he hasn't played so much.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

One thing that was qualified is that the "5 year plan" label is NOT from Kearney or Nolan, but a media label.

I often wondered why every merkin was so quick to believe the five year plan bullshit.

The coaching staff are on a three year contract.