News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[Mr Spock!]

And we do now? How do you know?

I get what you are saying, the more we advance and can explain phenomena the less requirement there is for religion.

However until science can explain the nature of existence and reality religion will still have some place albeit not as traditionally practiced.

It's not even that.

It's finding out for yourself about things like the Bible.

When I went to seminary we had access to texts that ordinary people never did and they cost like $100 a pop.

Nowadays you can look up on the Internet Hebrew and Greek translations and find out for yourself without some guy in a pulpit giving his INTERPRETATION of what to believe.

You can also look up archaeological digs and see how they don't correspond to the texts at all.

You want other gospels besides the 4 in the bible. Sure, go look for them. Easy to find in a Google search.

If people have to be told what to believe at a church they are either stupid or bone lazy.

 

[Rod McClusky]

When I went to seminary we had access to texts that ordinary people never did

Did you get defrocked?

Where you mates with Tony Abbott?

 

[Meth]

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/spo...yM2wK-hxobegMi5MYf3OxvF-WcUKrxN1jFniaHKM814mM

Coming back to the Broncos?

 

[Mr Angry]

Nope

https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2019/12/08/club-statement-on-folau/

The bloke has made himself toxic.

Modern sport corporations will not go there now.

 

[>zuzu<]

Question.

For what legal reason can the nrlol block Folau from coming back into the game?

There has been a whole bunch of comments and innuendo, stating the NRL would effectively be putting up the stop sign for all attempts to sign him.

I personally do not give a stuff if he returns or not.I am nowhere near his biggest fan, but I do get concerned with the liberties of people being trampled. Granted - If I was being told I was going to hell for living the life I am meant too, I would be pretty upset about it as well.

I just want to know whether, let's say they are to reject him on grounds of Izzy not aligning with their profile as an inclusive organisation - surely if this was challenged in court, there is no legally standing that the NRL could lean on?

 

[Mr Angry]

There has been a whole bunch of comments and innuendo, stating the NRL would effectively be putting up the stop sign for all attempts to sign him.

It is direct quotes for the NRL chairmen, Beattie and V'Landy.

Legally not sure RU ran away.

But what will happene is no one will present the NRL with a contract to deny.

He simply will not be offered.

 

[Perth Red]

Question.

For what legal reason can the nrlol block Folau from coming back into the game?

There has been a whole bunch of comments and innuendo, stating the NRL would effectively be putting up the stop sign for all attempts to sign him.

I personally do not give a stuff if he returns or not.I am nowhere near his biggest fan, but I do get concerned with the liberties of people being trampled. Granted - If I was being told I was going to hell for living the life I am meant too, I would be pretty upset about it as well.

I just want to know whether, let's say they are to reject him on grounds of Izzy not aligning with their profile as an inclusive organisation - surely if this was challenged in court, there is no legally standing that the NRL could lean on?

No one can be made to employ someone. I'm sure if a club tried to register him Greenberg would give them a very stern eye stare

 

[Valheru]

Question.

For what legal reason can the nrlol block Folau from coming back into the game?

There has been a whole bunch of comments and innuendo, stating the NRL would effectively be putting up the stop sign for all attempts to sign him.

I personally do not give a stuff if he returns or not.I am nowhere near his biggest fan, but I do get concerned with the liberties of people being trampled. Granted - If I was being told I was going to hell for living the life I am meant too, I would be pretty upset about it as well.

I just want to know whether, let's say they are to reject him on grounds of Izzy not aligning with their profile as an inclusive organisation - surely if this was challenged in court, there is no legally standing that the NRL could lean on?

I would think the courts would throw the case out in 2 seconds flat siding with Folau as the NRL is not his prospective employer, the club offering the contract is.

As others have said though, I would be stunned if any club wanted to sign him and there is nothing he can do about that.

 

[no name]

Question.

For what legal reason can the nrlol block Folau from coming back into the game?

There has been a whole bunch of comments and innuendo, stating the NRL would effectively be putting up the stop sign for all attempts to sign him.

I personally do not give a stuff if he returns or not.I am nowhere near his biggest fan, but I do get concerned with the liberties of people being trampled. Granted - If I was being told I was going to hell for living the life I am meant too, I would be pretty upset about it as well.

I just want to know whether, let's say they are to reject him on grounds of Izzy not aligning with their profile as an inclusive organisation - surely if this was challenged in court, there is no legally standing that the NRL could lean on?

Lol, Issy to sue the NRL for not employing him.
It doesn’t quite work like that.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

He can come to the bunnies for a modest fee

 

[>zuzu<]

No one can be made to employ someone. I'm sure if a club tried to register him Greenberg would give them a very stern eye stare

It's a unique situation though.

The club has to propose to hire, and if they want to - there is nothing stop them from the player joining the organisation.

It's the registration of the player to an NRL contract that would be an issue. Not a like-for-like situation

 

[Mr Angry]

Todd Carney needs better lawyers.

 

[mave]

Surely Souths could use some more ex players helping Wayne with his coffee and picking up the training cones.

 

[>zuzu<]

Lol, Issy to sue the NRL for not employing him.
It doesn’t quite work like that.

Hold on.

If a club puts a contract forward (so the club have shown a willingness to sign) and the NRL reject the contract - then I pose my question again - under what legal framework can the NRL do that?

It would appear HIGHLY unlikely that an NRL club would look to sign him, but in the event a club made formal contact to sign him - then it would be interesting to see how that would play out.

 

[Captain Apollo]

There were reports over the weekend that Folau's management approached a French RU team to see if they would be interested in signing him. The team concerned said he was too controversial for them and they would not be interested in signing him.

 

[Willow]

Lol, Issy to sue the NRL for not employing him.
It doesn’t quite work like that.

I was thinking the same thing last week, but then figured that nothing would surprise. This is the same guy who was asking for more money because he believed he was RU captain material.

Most people don't ask for money for something that was never offered. But most people aren't Folau.

 

[no name]

Hold on.

If a club puts a contract forward (so the club have shown a willingness to sign) and the NRL reject the contract - then I pose my question again - under what legal framework can the NRL do that?

It would appear HIGHLY unlikely that an NRL club would look to sign him, but in the event a club made formal contact to sign him - then it would be interesting to see how that would play out.

I thought you were trying to say that Issy could take action against clubs and NRL if they knocked back his management’s offers.
Pretty sure the NRL coming out and saying ‘not interested’ has told all the clubs not to bother trying to register a contract.

 

[Perth Red]

Hold on.

If a club puts a contract forward (so the club have shown a willingness to sign) and the NRL reject the contract - then I pose my question again - under what legal framework can the NRL do that?

It would appear HIGHLY unlikely that an NRL club would look to sign him, but in the event a club made formal contact to sign him - then it would be interesting to see how that would play out.

One assumes it is in the constitution and club bargaining agreement as a license holder in the NRL. To employ a player to play you have to get NRL registration agreement. We've seen with other players that clearly a conversation happens prior to giving a guy a contract that makes sure the NRL is happy. I cant think of any instance where a club has given a player a contract then the NRL have refused to register him, suggesting these conversations happen first?

 

[>zuzu<]

One assumes it is in the constitution and club bargaining agreement as a license holder in the NRL. To employ a player to play you have to get NRL registration agreement. We've seen with other players that clearly a conversation happens prior to giving a guy a contract that makes sure the NRL is happy. I cant think of any instance where a club has given a player a contract then the NRL have refused to register him, suggesting these conversations happen first?

Yeap - completely understand that.

There are some examples of the NRL not registering contracts, after they have been effectively signed off by the player - Not in the exact mold of this situation - but yes, the NRL have rejected contracts for one reason or another.

Zane Musgrove, Russell Packer, Steve Turner are a few that spring to mind. Differences being in Musgroves and Packers - they were both charged with various crimes. Turner, IIRC, had something to do with his GC Titans contract, and wanting to renege.

Few and far between - and I take the point that clubs probably would not want a bar of him (smells of Colin Kaepernick) - but in the event a club does want to sign up, I would imagine that the NRL would be notified of it first, before they proceeded. But had a club, theoretically, approached Izzy, offered a contract, and the NRL rejected it based of what have you - my theoretical question is - can they legally do so?

Don't mind me playing devils advocate. I just love talking out these aspects of such politically and socially charged situations.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeap - completely understand that.

There are some examples of the NRL not registering contracts, after they have been effectively signed off by the player - Not in the exact mold of this situation - but yes, the NRL have rejected contracts for one reason or another.

Zane Musgrove, Russell Packer, Steve Turner are a few that spring to mind. Differences being in Musgroves and Packers - they were both charged with various crimes. Turner, IIRC, had something to do with his GC Titans contract, and wanting to renege.

Few and far between - and I take the point that clubs probably would not want a bar of him (smells of Colin Kaepernick) - but in the event a club does want to sign up, I would imagine that the NRL would be notified of it first, before they proceeded. But had a club, theoretically, approached Izzy, offered a contract, and the NRL rejected it based of what have you - my theoretical question is - can they legally do so?

Don't mind me playing devils advocate. I just love talking out these aspects of such politically and socially charged situations.

Its not been tested so hard to say. On one hand I would say yes as it is likely it is written that they have sole discretion on if to register a player. On the other the bible basher could claim religious persecution and bring a civil case. Given there are religious schools that will not employ people of other/non religions, homosexuals or people they deem unworthy Id suggest the decision to employ largely rests with the employer.