Dragons chase Jarryd Hayne

[ouryears]

Going from 1

This is the reason we weren’t minor premiers. Yes everyone agrees that they had one maybe two games where they could have been given a rest but they would say there were mitigating circumstances including the absence of Host and Lomax. Nothing is straight forward.

Also I don’t really understand comments like this given how strong we looked in the finals. As if it didn’t happen at all. Neither would I see the season as a failure given the majority believed we wouldn’t be in the finals. It’s just a broad brushstroke, rather looking at the detail.

The reason we didn’t get a game or two closer to the premiership were the players we had out. Nightingale aside, it wasn’t an issue of “wear and tear”. No amount significantly more or less than other teams, despite the usual discourse. Vaughn (freak injury on the way back from another), Widdop (likewise, played with surgery inevitable), TSims (absence changed the result) and Aitken (who they decided not to risk). These are not fatigue like injuries or absences. De Belin was probably the only one significantly under duress, under the assertion you and many people have made. I don’t see it when it came to finals.

We were playing well enough in the finals to beat Brisbane (who were expected to do something), Souths we almost did and would have if we were closer to full strength. I think we would have beaten the Roosters without Mitchell and Napa but likely not at full strength. Probably not Melbourne, though they looked short of ideas in the GF.

Roosters got their run near perfect starting the year off making changes and focusing on defence. They weren’t brilliant until the GF. They had some luck against Cronulla. They were nothing special against Souths. Spot on against Melbourne.

Could it have been us, with a week off in the finals? Given the wonton criticism of players and coach (who I don’t favour either), I can’t really see where the expectation is that would dictate a failure. Can’t have it both ways.

Going from 1st to 7th, losing
7 of the last 9 games.....that IS failure.

Coming 6th overall is not success. It is mediocrity.

Don't paint it as success.
Cause it ain't.

 

[Old Timer]

If the NRL had an enforceable "no dick head" policy how many teams could actually be fielded in the comp?
For sure a lot of current 1st graders including some very high profile ones would be ineligible.
So unfortunately the game (as are many other sports) will always be embroiled in bad behaviour and controversy and trying to recruit players will be a mine field.
If Hayne has charges dropped or is found not guilty would anyone want him then?

 

[SEAT 1A]

If Hayne has charges dropped or is found not guilty would anyone want him then?

No, after the US and the lasted allegation his career should be over, passed behaviour is a general guide to future behaviour.

 

[Belta]

Going from 1

Going from 1st to 7th, losing
7 of the last 9 games.....that IS failure.

Coming 6th overall is not success. It is mediocrity.

Don't paint it as success.
Cause it ain't.

Exactly this, and the problem is it’s not the first time. In my opinion we haven’t learnt from previous mistakes. I see a distinct pattern. When a few of our key forwards sustain injuries, they’re needled and/or bandaged up and hobble around the field. The poor management of these injuries has been the nucleus of our downfall. We’ve either had no depth or poor development of our junior forwards and not only do we lose but our injured players don’t recouperate. It’s a double edged sword and it’s when the slide begins. I can see some light as Lawrie and Luc appear to have finally arrived somewhat in a few games. However will thier progress continue or are the same mistakes going to be repeated. Let’s be honest it’s gunna take some time to shake the ‘chokers’ tag.

 

[aquiin]

Going from 1st to 7th, losing

7 of the last 9 games.....that IS failure.


Coming 6th overall is not success. It is mediocrity.


Don't paint it as success.

Cause it ain't.

1st to 7th was two games and point differential, so that’s inconsequential in this context. Whatever happened we were ready to go in the finals.

Expectations changed throughout the season no doubt about that, but even if you thought they were unlikely to make the finals, you still wouldn’t call it a success. Nonetheless I couldn’t call it a failure personally, especially how it was presented in the previous message.

I don’t like the trend and basically it’s a win or nothing game but Bennett got criticism for the way he handles seasons and various losing streaks in premiership years (2006 prime example). So really the result colours how the season is seen. 2011 is seen completely differently because we were over represented in SOO, had a losing streak and we didn’t win that game against Brisbane, but we were a better team than Manly and NZ.

We weren’t even considered a better team than Melbourne or the Roosters until we started beating them in Sydney, when we were at full strength. Other teams hadn’t shown their best. More clearly we had a lot of games in Sydney and Wollongong to start the season and had more away games to finish. We didn’t figure out how to win away and we were over represented at SOO. There’s plenty of patterns that showed we weren’t really 1st when you look at the strength of the draw.

I think we’ve missed a beat not being involved in the coaching merry go round and I think we are still working within some financial restrictions at this stage. Despite this, I think we could go a week or two better with some luck. I think it will happen if Pereira stays at the level of his last game and if we see development in Pearson to compete with him. Another back would be a bonus obviously but these are the current circumstances.

 

[BLM01]

1st to 7th was two games and point differential, so that’s inconsequential in this context. Whatever happened we were ready to go in the finals.

Expectations changed throughout the season no doubt about that, but even if you thought they were unlikely to make the finals, you still wouldn’t call it a success. Nonetheless I couldn’t call it a failure personally, especially how it was presented in the previous message.

I don’t like the trend and basically it’s a win or nothing game but Bennett got criticism for the way he handles seasons and various losing streaks in premiership years (2006 prime example). So really the result colours how the season is seen. 2011 is seen completely differently because we were over represented in SOO, had a losing streak and we didn’t win that game against Brisbane, but we were a better team than Manly and NZ.

We weren’t even considered a better team than Melbourne or the Roosters until we started beating them in Sydney, when we were at full strength. Other teams hadn’t shown their best. More clearly we had a lot of games in Sydney and Wollongong to start the season and had more away games to finish. We didn’t figure out how to win away and we were over represented at SOO. There’s plenty of patterns that showed we weren’t really 1st when you look at the strength of the draw.

I think we’ve missed a beat not being involved in the coaching merry go round and I think we are still working within some financial restrictions at this stage. Despite this, I think we could go a week or two better with some luck. I think it will happen if Pereira stays at the level of his last game and if we see development in Pearson to compete with him. Another back would be a bonus obviously but these are the current circumstances.

Good reading. But for me the failure was letting our for and agianst slip so far at the back end, even without winning another game we should of been 5th at worse with a home semi Win 1 more game and we would of been Top 3. The coach during mid season or just after when the slide began thought we had done enough to wrap up a Top 4 spot and it was just a minor hiccup. He was already looking ahead chiming in with how many games we would need to win to make Top 4 from here on in or basically talking about playing finals football in the mid-back half of the season. Took his eye of the ball!

I believe we were over represented in SOO. I think Frizzell, Vaughan & maybe Sims on form deserved it. JDB great defender but there are better back row bustling options out there now. Sims would have to improve or keep the same level at worst to retain his bench spot. TPJ, Murray, Crichton, Sims, Frizzell, Cordner etc. Hunt should of been utility from the start or not picked at all. Thank god McInnes and Aitken were not selected and should not of been in calculations. Cook was clearly the best.

But we were a victim of our own success with the coachi getting them up and out of the blocks fast as NSW and media wanted a team on form...and face it the Dragons were the big surprise packet and media darls at the time after winning 8 out of 9..until SOO...then ker plunk!

Lesson to be learned..do what most other big teams do and ease into it..fine tune our attack and defense, bring some young guns up for a game or 2..make a few mistakes trying... you might lose a couple of early games ... if you can Mary but I doubt it...but come home with a wet sail with a few game plans, more 1st grade ready players and fresher in the back half going hard at making the defense the focus by then!..
We did the exact opposite.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Good reading. But for me the failure was letting our for and agianst slip so far at the back end, even without winning another game we should of been .......

We did the exact opposite.

Precisely.
The club management should do the opposite.
Don't give him an extension .......... sack him!

 

[The calm one]

If the NRL had an enforceable "no dick head" policy how many teams could actually be fielded in the comp?
For sure a lot of current 1st graders including some very high profile ones would be ineligible.
So unfortunately the game (as are many other sports) will always be embroiled in bad behaviour and controversy and trying to recruit players will be a mine field.
If Hayne has charges dropped or is found not guilty would anyone want him then?

No I don't think so. Contraversy seems to follow him. I think he has cooked his goose. He is not getting any younger and has injury issues as well.

 

[Coffs dragon]

Some people are quick.....LOL

 

[Warabrook saint]

No I don't think so. Contraversy seems to follow him. I think he has cooked his goose. He is not getting any younger and has injury issues as well.

Really

 

[Saints Forever]

So glad we dodged this bullet.

We have plenty of options at fullback. We don't need him.

We have plenty of options at centre. We don't need Hayne.

Any suggestion that Hayne played consistently at a high level in 2018 is simply laughable.

2-3 good games per season are of no use to Saints.

If you calculate the games Dufty won for us, am sure it amounted to more than 3 games in 2018.

We already have better options.

 

[Old Timer]

so... herbert is a 'must keep' for you, yet he doesn't feature in the top 17...

makes sense...

Well if you let Lafai & Aitken as he suggested then keeping Herbert as back up makes perfect sense.
Do try a little harder to understand the concept of what Possm is saying rather than just leaping on him.
By the way you better go to the last couple of pages of the thread to do some crusading otherwise people might mistake you for a person that likes to troll a few particular members in this place.

 

[muzby]

Well if you let Lafai & Aitken as he suggested then keeping Herbert as back up makes perfect sense.
Do try a little harder to understand the concept of what Possm is saying rather than just leaping on him.
By the way you better go to the last couple of pages of the thread to do some crusading otherwise people might mistake you for a person that likes to troll a few particular members in this place.

Well that’s just an odd post to make in the grand scheme of things..

It’s only taken nearly a week & a few pages of discussion for you to raise it..

people might mistake you for a person that likes to troll a few particular members in this place.

I take great pride in being annoying to everyone, not just a select few..

But if you’re feeling left out.......

 

[Old Timer]

Well that’s just an odd post to make in the grand scheme of things..

It’s only taken nearly a week & a few pages of discussion for you to raise it..


I take great pride in being annoying to everyone, not just a select few..

But if you’re feeling left out.......

If you are talking about Possm post and your response and then my response to you are you now suggesting that only quick responses are relevant?
It is obvious what Possm was saying and equally obvious how you misunderstood it so just fess up for once rather than trying your usual deflection.
If you are talking about my asking why you hadn’t gone about responding to certain other Hayne posts which demonstrates your selective outrage then look again.
Re how you take great pride in being annoying to everyone if that’s what takes your fancy then so be it but at least try and master the art.

 

[muzby]

If you are talking about Possm post and your response and then my response to you are you now suggesting that only quick responses are relevant?
It is obvious what Possm was saying and equally obvious how you misunderstood it so just fess up for once rather than trying your usual deflection.
If you are talking about my asking why you hadn’t gone about responding to certain other Hayne posts which demonstrates your selective outrage then look again.
Re how you take great pride in being annoying to everyone if that’s what takes your fancy then so be it but at least try and master the art.

My point to possum was he was claiming losing Sherbert was a make or break factor to us winning the title - but yet then doesn’t even consider him good enough to be in the top 17..

And whilst I appreciate your concern about my absence in this thread over the past few days, I wasn’t aware I was supposed to validate every post by replying to it..

Unless of course your sudden infatuation with me is due to being pissed off that I said your rape joke was poor taste..?

 

[Old Timer]

My point to possum was he was claiming losing Sherbert was a make or break factor to us winning the title - but yet then doesn’t even consider him good enough to be in the top 17..

And whilst I appreciate your concern about my absence in this thread over the past few days, I wasn’t aware I was supposed to validate every post by replying to it..

Unless of course your sudden infatuation with me is due to being pissed off that I said your rape joke was poor taste..?

Not pissed off just fascinated how biased you are in who you wish to have a crack at when you take the moral high ground.
Plenty there for you to have a go at but you remain mute.
Troll like behaviour becomes you.
Possm is obviously concerned that we have depth behind the top 17 and without it almost everyone would agree you can’t win the premiership so if Possm had his wish and we offloaded Lafai & Aitken & okayed Mann & Lomax where would the back up be if we didn’t have Herbert?
So obviously there is merit in Possm’s assumption based on his team.
Possm obviously considers Herbert a better prospect than either Aitken or Lafai and I think some others might agree with that.

 

[muzby]

Not pissed off just fascinated how biased you are in who you wish to have a crack at when you take the moral high ground.
Plenty there for you to have a go at but you remain mute.

Clearly you and I will have to disagree on the topic of what is considered good taste..

But.. it clarifies a few things for me about your positioning & I’m sorry if you feel victimised but that is often a precursor to remorse when you’ve done the wrong thing.

Troll like behaviour becomes you.

Hang on, so I’m trolling again? You had just switched from saying I was trolling possum to saying I had misunderstood him.. but now we’re back to trolling.. which barrow are we pushing here?

Possm obviously considers Herbert a better prospect than either Aitken or Lafai and I think some others might agree with that.

Others may very well agree with that, and others may very well disagree.. it’s always nice to have a difference of opinion.. imagine how boring this place would be otherwise..


But I do admire the effort you’re putting into this strange, aggressive defence of a post of possums from nearly a week ago..

I sure he does too...

 

[Old Timer]

Clearly you and I will have to disagree on the topic of what is considered good taste..

But.. it clarifies a few things for me about your positioning & I’m sorry if you feel victimised but that is often a precursor to remorse when you’ve done the wrong thing.
.

Nice try but you will have to do a lot better.
What is actually in question is what you consider good taste or not and obviously you thought my post didn't fit the criteria,you posted as such and that is fine by me despite your obvious attempt to bait me.
What is not fine by me is when you call one person out and remain mute on other posts that would fit your criteria of not being acceptable.
If you want to say something fine but be consistent in your belief.
So it is not about me feeling anything other than bemused by your hypocrisy and I am happy calling it out for what it is.

 

[ALSGI]

Nice try but you will have to do a lot better.
What is actually in question is what you consider good taste or not and obviously you thought my post didn't fit the criteria,you posted as such and that is fine by me despite your obvious attempt to bait me.
What is not fine by me is when you call one person out and remain mute on other posts that would fit your criteria of not being acceptable.
If you want to say something fine but be consistent in your belief.
So it is not about me feeling anything other than bemused by your hypocrisy and I am happy calling it out for what it is.

FMD OT.
For all your obvious wisdom you really do come across as such a negative, pedantic, whinging, moaning wanker.

 

[Brutalitops]

Muzby a troll? Lol

Just because he has a sense of humour sometimes doesn't mean shit, at least he can strike a balance between light and taking things seriously unlike many here