Dragons let down by the NRL

[SaintPauli]

Yeah, nah mate.

Just how did the NRL let us down ? We have had shite period in our history of late, but I don't see how the governing body is the root cause.

If its the JDB decision, then what you are saying is that ONE player derailed our season. Like the decision or not, they won. I for one, agree with the call. If we are so f**king spineless that one player can be the root cause of nearly winning the spoon, then that's on management and staff.. Not the NRL.

Did the NRL appoint our board / coaching staff / recruitment etc ?

As to the debate about our titles, apart from Gallop calling our 2010 win as " sweet sixteen", then every other reputable source has us as 15 premierships as St George, and 1 as STGI.

As following a team is so emotional and subjective, you can spin these results as you want. Our history is great. That doesn't change. Our future is what counts now.

NRL website
FOX website
Zero Tackle
All show 15 & 1 comps.
That would mean dragons licence dissolved in 1998 as they cannot add to their tally or history.
Dragons and NRL need to fix, perhaps clarify? All above are either ignoring what fans are asking or simply brushing it under the carpet hoping it will go away.

 

[Slackboy72]

We're 3 days into the off season.
Only 155 days to go.

 

[TruSaint]

NRL website
FOX website
Zero Tackle
All show 15 & 1 comps.
That would mean dragons licence dissolved in 1998 as they cannot add to their tally or history.
Dragons and NRL need to fix, perhaps clarify? All above are either ignoring what fans are asking or simply brushing it under the carpet hoping it will go away.

Pauli,

Isnt that breakdown what I said in my post ?

Sorry not sure what you mean my friend.

 

[possm]

So Souths have 20 and 1??? 1 since privately owned???

What part of the club do the Illawarra now own?

I'd like to go back to the Illawarra club being a feeder club for St George. In this way we can re-claim our history, clean out the rubbish managers and employ some professionals. So Illawarra Steelers play in the Canterbury Cup Competition and St George Dragons play in the NRL competition. SGI is split in half with WIN's shares applied to 100% ownership of Gordon's beloved Illawarra club and St George shares applied to 100% of St George Football Club.

St George Football Club can then sell half their shares to the losing bidder first time round for $10m.

So, Craig Young and the WIN Corp Directors can manage the Illawarra Club.
Dean Young can be their Head Coach.
If they need a CEO they can have B Johnston.

Make it so that 50% of directors will come from St George Leagues Club and the other 50% will be voted in annually by members with full voting rights.
Advertise for a CEO and a Football Manager who would be one director from the St George Leagues Club allocation.
St George Leagues Club to nominate on of their numbers to be Chair of the Board.
Brown to Head Coach.
Flanigan to assistant Coach.

St George Leagues Club could then reclaim their history and culture.

 

[muzby]

I'd like to go back to the Illawarra club being a feeder club for St George. In this way we can re-claim our history, clean out the rubbish managers and employ some professionals. So Illawarra Steelers play in the Canterbury Cup Competition and St George Dragons play in the NRL competition. SGI is split in half with WIN's shares applied to 100% ownership of Gordon's beloved Illawarra club and St George shares applied to 100% of St George Football Club.

St George Football Club can then sell half their shares to the losing bidder first time round for $10m.

So, Craig Young and the WIN Corp Directors can manage the Illawarra Club.
Dean Young can be their Head Coach.
If they need a CEO they can have B Johnston.

Make it so that 50% of directors will come from St George Leagues Club and the other 50% will be voted in annually by members with full voting rights.
Advertise for a CEO and a Football Manager who would be one director from the St George Leagues Club allocation.
St George Leagues Club to nominate on of their numbers to be Chair of the Board.
Brown to Head Coach.
Flanigan to assistant Coach.

 

[RednWhite]

I have no doubt that the JDB issue played a part in the debacle last season. Look at the Rorter's season after the Mitchell Pearce doggie incident.

 

[SGMax]

I do see a lack of respect from the NRL towards the Dragons which I also notice is not levelled at teams like the Storm or Brisbane, Roosters.
A few examples such as:
* when Frizell was treated so roughly for incidentally touching a referee
* When we lost a game after the siren and the NRL refused to take any action
* Whenever we dispute a decision or event, the NRL always digs their heels in and always opposes our stand.
*When opposition coaches like Trent Robinson complain about incidents in games despite having the benefit of numerous other decisions, they are often backed by the refs and statements from the NRL.
* When the NRL refuses to enforce a realistic cap and investigate clear involvement by Club investors in TPA's and allowing the wealthy clubs to stockpile multiple million $ players at discounted values in the cap.
* When we were made an example of when Dummy half passes into players in the ruck were treated differently.
^When Frizell was cited for a head high tackle when the opposing player hit his head into Frizell's chest.
* When JDB was stood down, putting restrictive conditions on the value and terms under which a replacement could be added.
When the stand down rule was initiated by complaints by the Roosters and Storm executives.

I am sure there will be different perceptions of the above by some who will dispute some of my examples but it is more the lack of any examples where they have considered the interests of any of the teams other than the wealthy.
I almost feel like a fool for supporting a team that is not being given a fair go by the NRL. Just wasting my time and money when the NRL is designing the competition to suit the wealthy teams.

 

[Dragon David]

I do see a lack of respect from the NRL towards the Dragons which I also notice is not levelled at teams like the Storm or Brisbane, Roosters.
A few examples such as:
* when Frizell was treated so roughly for incidentally touching a referee
* When we lost a game after the siren and the NRL refused to take any action
* Whenever we dispute a decision or event, the NRL always digs their heels in and always opposes our stand.
*When opposition coaches like Trent Robinson complain about incidents in games despite having the benefit of numerous other decisions, they are often backed by the refs and statements from the NRL.
* When the NRL refuses to enforce a realistic cap and investigate clear involvement by Club investors in TPA's and allowing the wealthy clubs to stockpile multiple million $ players at discounted values in the cap.
* When we were made an example of when Dummy half passes into players in the ruck were treated differently.
^When Frizell was cited for a head high tackle when the opposing player hit his head into Frizell's chest.
* When JDB was stood down, putting restrictive conditions on the value and terms under which a replacement could be added.
When the stand down rule was initiated by complaints by the Roosters and Storm executives.

I am sure there will be different perceptions of the above by some who will dispute some of my examples but it is more the lack of any examples where they have considered the interests of any of the teams other than the wealthy.

I almost feel like a fool for supporting a team that is not being given a fair go by the NRL. Just wasting my time and money when the NRL is designing the competition to suit the wealthy teams.

The examples you have given SGMax are spot on. We have more or less copped the raw deals once we lost Bennett to the Knights. Bennett would not have copped a lot of these raw deals if he was still our coach. The NRL appear to just scrutinise us more closely particularly when they bring in a new rule and we are always the first to be pinged and penalised. It's like being bullied in my opinion!!

 

[BLM01]

I do see a lack of respect from the NRL towards the Dragons which I also notice is not levelled at teams like the Storm or Brisbane, Roosters.
A few examples such as:
* when Frizell was treated so roughly for incidentally touching a referee
* When we lost a game after the siren and the NRL refused to take any action
* Whenever we dispute a decision or event, the NRL always digs their heels in and always opposes our stand.
*When opposition coaches like Trent Robinson complain about incidents in games despite having the benefit of numerous other decisions, they are often backed by the refs and statements from the NRL.
* When the NRL refuses to enforce a realistic cap and investigate clear involvement by Club investors in TPA's and allowing the wealthy clubs to stockpile multiple million $ players at discounted values in the cap.
* When we were made an example of when Dummy half passes into players in the ruck were treated differently.
^When Frizell was cited for a head high tackle when the opposing player hit his head into Frizell's chest.
* When JDB was stood down, putting restrictive conditions on the value and terms under which a replacement could be added.
When the stand down rule was initiated by complaints by the Roosters and Storm executives.

I am sure there will be different perceptions of the above by some who will dispute some of my examples but it is more the lack of any examples where they have considered the interests of any of the teams other than the wealthy.
I almost feel like a fool for supporting a team that is not being given a fair go by the NRL. Just wasting my time and money when the NRL is designing the competition to suit the wealthy teams.

Your highlighting stuff rightfully as a Dragons supporter as will always stand out in your memory.
All the other clubs could come up with similar examples.
We have been caught over the salary cap before (minor offence) but only received a fine
We were lent money by the NRL on top of our grant and needed WIN to pay it back as our own inept board and management could not raise it on their own.
Melbourne and Roosters..yeh they stand out and the perception is they get the rub of the green in games but in a way so do the Broncos with TV exposure...but you make your own luck with good management, coaching, recruitment and depth.
Roosters could whinge what a raw deal Hargraves gets from the media and judiciary.

 

[ghostface]

It appears that the blame culture is now beginning to creep into the mindset of our fan base.

 

[St Georgio]

As a St George and a St George Illawarra supporter, I have felt and experienced 16 premierships. Ask any other supporter how many they've experienced, quickly they will shut the F Up!

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

It appears that the blame culture is now beginning to creep into the mindset of our fan base.

Sorry ole chap, can't agree with that.
We've been blaming the club for appointing McGregor for five years now.
Nothing new here.

A star-studded team with many Origin and Internationals, yet we come second last in the comp.
We continue to break more bad club records each season McGregor is still coach.
We have dozens of assistant coaches for what reason?
We still have an idiot impersonating a coach, yet he does not get sacked?

Let me assume you the 'creeping in' is old news and rightly so.
We fans have a genuine right to be dissatisfied with what we have been dealt from the management, year after year.

 

[TruSaint]

Sorry ole chap, can't agree with that.
We've been blaming the club for appointing McGregor for five years now.
Nothing new here.

A star-studded team with many Origin and Internationals, yet we come second last in the comp.
We continue to break more bad club records each season McGregor is still coach.
We have dozens of assistant coaches for what reason?
We still have an idiot impersonating a coach, yet he does not get sacked?

Let me assume you the 'creeping in' is old news and rightly so.
We fans have a genuine right to be dissatisfied with what we have been dealt from the management, year after year.

Pretty sure @ghostface was referring to the threads above his. Not about Mary.
Thats the way I read it.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Lol..

Australian Law or gtfo...

As predictable as a Darwin weather forecast.

You’ve got nothing.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Au contraire..

A joint venture is a new entity, part owned by each of the partners..

A merger is where the history carries through..

In reality, a merger involves a complete name change...therefore “identity”.

If SGI had merged”, there would be NO reference to either St. George or Illawarra. A hypothetical moniker could be the South Coast ‘whatever nickname that hasn’t been taken’.

Under this circumstance, history cannot possibly carry through.

This is universally accepted, Australian law included.

 

[muzby]

What are your thoughts on BHP?

 

[Belta]

We're 3 days into the off season.
Only 155 days to go.

 

[St Georgio]

In reality, a merger involves a complete name change...therefore “identity”.

If SGI had merged”, there would be NO reference to either St. George or Illawarra. A hypothetical moniker could be the South Coast ‘whatever nickname that hasn’t been taken’.

Under this circumstance, history cannot possibly carry through.

This is universally accepted, Australian law included.

You are a Fn fascist and bigot!

 

[Old Timer]

For all the shit tha'ts been written about the sorry saga of JDB the simple fact is he put himself above all his teammates, the wags, the club and the fans.
Then Mc Fookknuckle puts Jack above all his team mates, the wags, the club and the fans.
Then after the disaster called season 2019 the fluff articles start so the entire season seems to have been "all about Jack".
In the end it is apparent that Jack's sack sent us back, so now it's time to sack Jack to be on the road back but not sure the club has the balls to do it.

 

[SGMax]

Your highlighting stuff rightfully as a Dragons supporter as will always stand out in your memory.
All the other clubs could come up with similar examples.
We have been caught over the salary cap before (minor offence) but only received a fine
We were lent money by the NRL on top of our grant and needed WIN to pay it back as our own inept board and management could not raise it on their own.
Melbourne and Roosters..yeh they stand out and the perception is they get the rub of the green in games but in a way so do the Broncos with TV exposure...but you make your own luck with good management, coaching, recruitment and depth.
Roosters could whinge what a raw deal Hargraves gets from the media and judiciary.

BLM01, your approach as a fan may differ to mine.
I know it sounds a little like a whinge but over the years, very few of our appeals or requests have been upheld.
Getting a loan from the NRL came at a price where we were owned by the NRL administration. Whenever a negotiation with the clubs took place. Dragons always sided with the NRL.

As a fan, I am generally more critical towards the dragons during games yet for every game where we get the benefit of ref's decisions and apparent luck there are many more where it is obvious the Dragons were pinged for every possible infringement while the opposition were allowed to hold down in tackles and not pulled up for tries off forward passes.
This year, There were about 3 games where the opposition scored close wins solely due to forward passes not called.
Against Manly, there were numerous calls in favour of Manly yet the final play was called out as an escort even though Lafai in my opinion was there early enough to be entitled to stand his ground.
In fact, in that same game, 2 minutes into the second half there were 3 definite escorts by Manly players
in the one kick with no mention from the commentators, Refs, or NRL. Check it out if you can, its mind boggling that it was missed.

Remember the 2015 Anzac game? We were denied a legit try by refs not bothering to review yet Trent Robinson singled out a penalty for a head high on Aitken to whinge about. Guess were all the media attention went.

It happens all too often as the disrepect shown by the NRL flows on to the Referees and even to the commentary teams who are only to keen to sympathise with our opponents.