Dragons statement: Player breach

[Maddragon99]

So we have asked Vaughan and the NRL has fined and suspended the other 12 players. Where does that leave us as far as a team of NRL players is concerned? No doubt Vaughan will be picked up by another club and play well for them.

I say it is now time to forget about finals football for 2021 and reveal our best options for 2022 for the rest of the season.

Kerr back to the prop rotation and let's also pick up a good replacement for Vaughan, who is available?

So, drop Norman and give Sullivan/Amone a go for the rest of the season.

Put Sloan at fullback for the rest of the season.

Try Schiller at the left centre and each of the Feagai brothers a turn on the left-wing.

So next season we have Molo and at least one new top grade prop (to replace Vaughan). We are stuck with most of the remaining forwards however, they can play reserve grade if we have the funds to find others:

1. Sloan
2. Ramsey
3. Schiller
4. Lomax
5. Feagai
6. Sullivan
7. Hunt
8. Lawrie
9. McCullough
10. Pangai Jr
11. Sims
12. Bird
13. De Belin

14. Alvaro
15. Faamausili
16. Burnes
17. McGuire

Next season prop rotation:
Molo
Finucane
Pangai Jr
Lawrie

Scratch Pangai we don’t need another moron, we are pursuing Jayden Su’a he’s a Origin player but on the outer at Souths & only 23 I think.

 

[SnowDragon]

Don’t think this is the right one to go after the BoD or CEO.
I'm not unhappy with their response.

 

[Ghostface Killah]

Onya Piggy, keep getting the facts out there brother

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

On a tangent, Hadley used the phrase "tumbling for it" three times tonight.

I've never come across that phrase before. Or is he just channeling Culture Club in criticising the club's culture?

The only other reference to the term that I can find was by Hadley himself back in 2015 in an interview with ScoMo. It certainly hasn't caught on like wildfire in the interim.

HADLEY:

No. Hey Scott it is not a conspiracy theory. He has been ringing people in the media telling them that he no longer feels that way about the republican movement which of course he tried to assassinate John Howard over with his comments after that. He is saying look I don’t feel the same way about carbon emissions, he knows at 60 this is his last crack and if he doesn’t get a crack now he won’t have his photo in Parliament House as a Prime Minister. If you are tumbling for it, I am really surprised.

MINISTER MORRISON:

I don’t know why you think I was, I simply go and have a dinner with a mate and I don’t think there is anything in that in plain open view.

https://formerministers.dss.gov.au/15953/2gb-ray-hadley-25/

 

[hewi]

Lies and deception: Inside story of party that destroyed Dragons’ season

Despite the club forbidding a proposed bonding session at WIN Stadium, a few hours later Paul Vaughan texted players to invite them over for a barbecue.

www.smh.com.au

He really is an A grade goose, on two warnings, explicitly told not to have a BBQ then does it anyway.

 

[Saint Pete]

Don’t think this is the right one to go after the BoD or CEO.
I'm not unhappy with their response.

I’m not unhappy with their response either SD!
But Ryan Webb’s statement that there is not a culture problem at the club is clearly not correct and it needs to be met head on and addressed!
Their response in terms of the actions they have taken is entirely appropriate – but they need to talk about club culture - about what that means and what is expected of players, employees and the fans too! That’s how we will all start to change the ingrained acceptance of behaviours that are not appropriate!

 

[emack]

Ryan Webb has made a positive impact in his time as CEO - however in his interview regarding the Paul Vaughan affair he states that he doesn’t think the Dragons have a culture problem!!!
That’s the start of the problem right there!
Not acknowledging a problem is a sure way of not addressing it!
Sorry Mr Webb – there very clearly is a culture problem at the Dragons!
However, you are not the only club with that problem!
We need to seriously look at values across all clubs, particularly values regarding responsibility, reliability and integrity!
And as with all integrity and trust issues, you have to walk the walk, as well as talk the talk!
Clear standards, well explained, widely promoted and modelled, and consistently expected and applied is what is required!

13 Players and we don't have a culture problem? we all knew in advance that Hook had inherited a roster of self absorbed players and this is sadly the proof.

That said, I'm concerned that even after they were told not to "party" due to the lock down restrictions (Hook involved in those directions), they did anyway. Its been said on here before, would it have happened if Bellamy was coach? Further, two players that know Him from the past, Macguire and Beale, didn't show him much respect with their actions in this. Concerned is all I'm saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either way, don't believe the sacking of Vaughn was enough....................the club supported de Belin for 2 and a half years against immense criticism, to be repaid by this, including initially lying to the club, same for Norman and the other guy not be 're upped' in Dufty.

 

[HenryTatana]

Hadley is a flog

Haven’t got the full details on what the clown said but I’m sure he was advocating sackings etc. Now on behaviour, he himself has form which should have resulted in his own sacking. If I recall it was bullying of a young producer or something plus his former sideline eye who took him to court.
The word hypocrite comes to mind.

 

[SnowDragon]

I’m not unhappy with their response either SD!
But Ryan Webb’s statement that there is not a culture problem at the club is clearly not correct and it needs to be met head on and addressed!
Their response in terms of the actions they have taken is entirely appropriate – but they need to talk about club culture - about what that means and what is expected of players, employees and the fans too! That’s how we will all start to change the ingrained acceptance of behaviours that are not appropriate!

Fair call mate.

problem is that admitting a culture problem is I’ll defined, can and will be overstated, and is a little bit of a sensationalist comment.

problem is a straight no is seen as BS.

I think I (without knowing the actual situation) would have confronted the media headline grabbing “do you have a culture problem” with “no we don’t”, “however, this situation shows we clearly have work to achieve the culture this proud club and its loyal supporters deserve”… or somethign along those lines.

 

[BLM01]

What had happened to the limo driver that was allegedly not jabbed snd not wearing his mask in the overseas front line work that alledgefly caused this mess and put the state at risk
Has he been hung drawn and quartered
Where is his TV apology
Where is the balance in the argument compared to what risk these guys caused the community.. zilch allegedly if no outsiders As they are tested every day almost and have all been vaccinated

 

[Rob Dragon 1]

Don’t think this is the right one to go after the BoD or CEO.
I'm not unhappy with their response.

So who should we go after then mate? The doorman at the Leagues Club? I don't blame Ryan Webb for any of this, even allowing for his comments re culture (or lack of it). What was he supposed to say?

Q: "Ryan does the Club have a culture problem"?
A: "Of course it does. We are bunch of grubby self indulged idiots. Any Club that actively recruits a Corey Norman or Josh McGuire clearly has a culture problem. We were hoping that Israel Falou was going to assist with the culture but alas we couldn't get him. We are however putting feelers out to the management of TPJ and we continue to watch the Jarrad Hayne appeal process with interest. Jack De Belin tells us that Haynesy is a ripping bloke who would add great value to our place. As an aside we have just appointed Todd carney to run the Jersey Flegg and SG Ball sides".

Culture, behavioral standards, values are people driven processes. At the top of the pile sits the BOD. In a public corporate world this lot would have been kicked in the ass about 7 years ago; and the alternate WIN bid would have won out back in 2017. We will pay for this horrendous decision and it's legacy (such as having to have little Andrew as our Chairman) for years to come.

We are lucky to have Webb and Griffin with us. What must they be thinking?

 

[Captain Apollo]

It’s not that I don’t like him, I don’t like any of them at the moment. He f**ked up twice already. He could’ve been sacked as well. He’s lucky that he didn’t. End of discussion. Done

I think what Forbes Creek, and I have been coming at is from the legal angle and not the moral angle, which is where I think you have been coming from.

In relation to the rape allegations, as it was not proven legally, it cannot be held against De Belin as a "strike" in terms of employment law.

 

[BLM01]

Haven’t got the full details on what the clown said but I’m sure he was advocating sackings etc. Now on behaviour, he himself has form which should have resulted in his own sacking. If I recall it was bullying of a young producer or something plus his former sideline eye who took him to court.
The word hypocrite comes to mind.

What his own flesh and bloods misdemeanours

 

[Illusion]

Well its done and dusted ...... And in my opinion its a good thing ..... Not for this year but for moving forward to next year and beyond ..... With Webb, Hook at the realm could not have been any better , because if the place internally is TOXIC then we have the right people in place to disinfect the joint ...... This is where Hook will come down hard on his players , and the easy ride they have had with Mary is over ...... They either shape up or ship out ......

 

[Rob Dragon 1]

What had happened to the limo driver that was allegedly not jabbed snd not wearing his mask in the overseas front line work that alledgefly caused this mess and put the state at risk
Has he been hung drawn and quartered
Where is his TV apology
Where is the balance in the argument compared to what risk these guys caused the community.. zilch allegedly if no outsiders As they are tested every day almost and have all been vaccinated

BLM, respect what your saying, but can I offer an alternate view?

NRL players, unlike the general public earn extremely good coin but for a limited time span. I would have thought that if I was essentially unskilled and earning lets say $450K per year across say 5-7 seasons and that my post career earnings were not going to be anywhere near that level THAT I would do as I am told and instructed.

Don't have a BBQ and don't break the biosecurity bubble are not inherently difficult things to comply with. I would tattoo an inverted Nike sign on the wrists of these blokes and every time another stupid idea floats across their vacant brain space they can look at the tattoo and repeat "Just Don't Do It".

 

[BLM01]

BLM, respect what your saying, but can I offer an alternate view?

NRL players, unlike the general public earn extremely good coin but for a limited time span. I would have thought that if I was essentially unskilled and earning lets say $450K per year across say 5-7 seasons and that my post career earnings were not going to be anywhere near that level THAT I would do as I am told and instructed.

Don't have a BBQ and don't break the biosecurity bubble are not inherently difficult things to comply with. I would tattoo an inverted Nike sign on the wrists of these blokes and every time another stupid idea floats across their vacant brain space they can look at the tattoo and repeat "Just Don't Do It".

Salary can not come into it
Profile in the community I get that
PV got what he deserved based on his contract
Why is it these NRL players are treated with more scrutiny and more outrage than other high-profile people in the community that probably own just as much but don’t play sport
Balanced perspective when you break it all down is all I am saying
If that was 13 locals non NRL players
$1000 brief news reporting but their livelihoods not turned upside down

 

[Rob Dragon 1]

Salary can not come into it
Profile in the community I get that
PV got what he deserved based on his contract
Why is it these NRL players are treated with more scrutiny and more outrage than other high-profile people in the community that probably own just as much but don’t play sport
Balanced perspective when you break it all down is all I am saying
If that was 13 locals non NRL players
$1000 brief news reporting but their livelihoods not turned upside down

Again BLM, I agree with your argument but this is about "what is and not what should be". These are mainly 20-30 year old young men earning great money and to earn that they have to adhere to a set of rules and disciplines. If they don't like that reality go and find a "proper" job and live like the rest of us.

Imagine if your son was one of these dopey cretins at the BBQ and he came complaining to you about it "being unfair". You would smack him across the top of the head and tell him "listen mate I don't want to hear about what's fair from a 24 year old. You earn $500K a year so bloody well adhere to the rules or get out and get a real job".

 

[bad boy bubby]

I think what Forbes Creek, and I have been coming at is from the legal angle and not the moral angle, which is where I think you have been coming from.

In relation to the rape allegations, as it was not proven legally, it cannot be held against De Belin as a "strike" in terms of employment law.

I put this in another thread. If they had a strike against Vaughn for the "sexting scandal", which was never made public, do you not think they have a strike against De Belin for having a sexual affair played out in public?

 

[blacksafake]

Don't you just love the parasite media. You know which ones.
In one breath they're saying "we hope there is no more to come out" All while these same parasites dig looking for more dirt at the same time. Trying to remain relevant.

 

[Old Timer]

After watching all the frothing at the mouth by the usual merkins in the press and that farcical interview with PV I wonder when the press will work out their role in the making of this incident which IMO goes back over 60 odd years.

The Hadley’s, Kent’s, Rothfield’s, Voss’s , Wiedler’s etc if this world have selectively reported on players inappropriate behaviour for many many years.

The notion of reporting without fear or favour truly does not exist.

If these blokes had not been caught out by the neighbours & subsequently the police in the years to come it would have been laughed about and sniggered about by the press and lauded as almost being funny and gone into league folklore as a “how did they ever get away with that” story.

As I said before the press have plenty of shit on plenty of players and they have refused to expose them or go to the extreme lengths they now do on only certain topics / events.

Many a time I’ve heard various commentators snigger and carry on with innuendo about things that have happened in this game especially on tours and it is always ended with that old adage “well what happens on tour stays on tour”

The press themselves have somewhat created an environment of it only really matters if you are caught otherwise it’s league folklore and gives us something to wax lyrical about.

If the outrage shown by the press over this matter was exercised over other matters some players would have been rubbed out long ago and some would not have jobs in the RL field, the immortals would be 1 less and some touted to become an immortal would never be mentioned in such terms.

The press need to have a very good think about themselves and as to how and what they report and then take a good look in the mirror.

Yes PV and the crew made a very poor judgement call and did the wrong thing on this occasion but the RL media have failed to report without fear or favour on many more occasions and also did that willfully and knowingly and protected their mates.