Dugan/Widdop/Marshall/Farrah Spine??

[Vasilevsky]

That would probably be because you lack the ability to process logical thoughts and opinions. In your own twisted little mind you believe that your opinion is the only one that matters, but in reality, you are wrong.

To know your opinion doesn't matter and thinking mine is the only one which does isn't the same thing.

 

[mightydragon]

I'm going to go out in a limb and say that you're not sorry at all!

The reason they are 'drooling' is that he is more than an enemy coach, he is the difference between us having won a premiership in the last decade vs staring at a possibility of 4 decades without one! As for treating apart or club, the blame for that between 2011 and 2014 should be squarely on the shoulders of the clubs management. The lack of capitalisation on the success of 2010. The lack of succession plan for our retiring heroes. The lack of junior development. The signing of planks to high dollar, long term deals. And of course, the signing and re-signing of Price. None of these were the actions of Bennett, all he did was take Boyd and his high performance team.

and Smith, Scott and Costigan. Not Wayne's fault in those cases as they followed him

 

[TruSaint]

And left it in a shambles, in my opinion on purpose, and now coaches an enemy club. Has done so for 4 years. Are these same homies of the opinion Darius Boyd is 'a messiah'?

This is where you lose me Vas, with respect.

So, based on the above, Bennett moved to Saints, delivered 2 Minor Premierships, 1 Title, 1 World Club title, and then , ON PURPOSE, left our club in demise.

For what gain ?

To extend his legacy in Newcastle? The players that left have been mentioned. Some left PRIOR to him leaving, others AFTER.

And to that end, how does one control a player like Boyd, whom for whatever reason follows this coach? Its the players will .

I am really trying to comprehend this venom toward a coach that delivered us a title and along the way credibility, in such a short three years.

 

[Vasilevsky]

This is where you lose me Vas, with respect.

So, based on the above, Bennett moved to Saints, delivered 2 Minor Premierships, 1 Title, 1 World Club title, and then , ON PURPOSE, left our club in demise.

For what gain ?

To extend his legacy in Newcastle? The players that left have been mentioned. Some left PRIOR to him leaving, others AFTER.

And to that end, how does one control a player like Boyd, whom for whatever reason follows this coach? Its the players will .

I am really trying to comprehend this venom toward a coach that delivered us a title and along the way credibility, in such a short three years.

How do you explain the dearth of young players who were coming through, his long-term contract extension of players who were already veterans and his recommendation of supercoach Price.

For the gain of seeing the team decline rapidly as soon as he left, upping his own legend and market value all the while having one less rival club to worry about.

 

[BennyV]

How do you explain the dearth of young players who were coming through, his long-term contract extension of players who were already veterans and his recommendation of supercoach Price.

For the gain of seeing the team decline rapidly as soon as he left, upping his own legend and market value all the while having one less rival club to worry about.

- quite a few young players left due to havingtoo many options ahead of them. Bennett didnt drive them out, they left for opportunity elsewhere. However, he did oversea the introduction of some fantastic talents in Merrin, Stanley and King (the latter two obviously stalled due to injury but theres no doubt the talent was there).
- long term contract extensions were done by Young, not Bennett (you can include the long term, high price re-signings of Hunt and Rein in the same category). In addition, noone would have seen the decline of Cooper, Young or Hornby at that point, and TBH their decline was due to the coaching of Price than anything.
- to he fair, Price had an impressive resume, including an extended apprenticeship under Bennett and premiership wins in lower grades. Regardless, Bennett simply recommended him, lack of due dilligence in signing and re-signing him came 100% from the club management.

Your arguments dont actually have any facts to support them...

 

[BennyV]

and Smith, Scott and Costigan. Not Wayne's fault in those cases as they followed him

You people give me headaches...

Smith - left dragonsin 2011 and went to Sharks. Didnt follow Bennett.

Scott - stayed on with Dragons until wnd of 2012, when he was told he wasnt wanted. Didnt follow Bennett.

Costigan - left dragons in 2011 to go to Newcastle, a year before Bennett left us. Didnt follow Bennett.

Kapiche?

 

[The Nick]

Or perhaps someone such as yourself, who so obviously does not support the Dragons, should piss off back to his own teams forum.

I don't think anyone can question Vas' support for the Dragons. Some of his opinions are a bit absurd but his heart is in the right place.

This is where you lose me Vas, with respect.

So, based on the above, Bennett moved to Saints, delivered 2 Minor Premierships, 1 Title, 1 World Club title, and then , ON PURPOSE, left our club in demise.

For what gain ?

To extend his legacy in Newcastle? The players that left have been mentioned. Some left PRIOR to him leaving, others AFTER.

And to that end, how does one control a player like Boyd, whom for whatever reason follows this coach? Its the players will .

I am really trying to comprehend this venom toward a coach that delivered us a title and along the way credibility, in such a short three years.

I don't think it's that far from the mark. I don't believe he maliciously left the club in a bad position but I also don't think he was overly concerned about how he left us either.

He got us that Premiership. Will always love him for that, but can't hide from the truth. Wayne Bennett has proven to be all about Wayne Bennett and really only has loyalty to whoever is writing his pay cheque. It's clear he had no interest in handing over the team with in a position to progress beyond his tenure. Ageing roster, no succession planning, dud coach...

As much as we love and revere Wayne, I doubt he gave a 2nd thought to our club since the day he head out the door en route to Newcastle.

As they say, nice guys finish last. Wayne Bennett never finishes last.

 

[BennyV]

I don't think anyone can question Vas' support for the Dragons. Some of his opinions are a bit absurd but his heart is in the right place.



I don't think it's that far from the mark. I don't believe he maliciously left the club in a bad position but I also don't think he was overly concerned about how he left us either.

He got us that Premiership. Will always love him for that, but can't hide from the truth. Wayne Bennett has proven to be all about Wayne Bennett and really only has loyalty to whoever is writing his pay cheque. It's clear he had no interest in handing over the team with in a position to progress beyond his tenure. Ageing roster, no succession planning, dud coach...

As much as we love and revere Wayne, I doubt he gave a 2nd thought to our club since the day he head out the door en route to Newcastle.

As they say, nice guys finish last. Wayne Bennett never finishes last.

But it wasn't up to him to keep us in to shape. Was never his job. His job was to coach a footy team. He did that. Well. It was up to his employer and his successor to ensure the success of the club. They failed. Hopefully that changes.

 

[The Nick]

But it wasn't up to him to keep us in to shape. Was never his job. His job was to coach a footy team. He did that. Well. It was up to his employer and his successor to ensure the success of the club. They failed. Hopefully that changes.

I agree, he did his job. I'm just pointing out that any remaining sentiment for him is purely one way.

 

[TruSaint]

I don't think anyone can question Vas' support for the Dragons. Some of his opinions are a bit absurd but his heart is in the right place.



I don't think it's that far from the mark. I don't believe he maliciously left the club in a bad position but I also don't think he was overly concerned about how he left us either.

He got us that Premiership. Will always love him for that, but can't hide from the truth. Wayne Bennett has proven to be all about Wayne Bennett and really only has loyalty to whoever is writing his pay cheque. It's clear he had no interest in handing over the team with in a position to progress beyond his tenure. Ageing roster, no succession planning, dud coach...

As much as we love and revere Wayne, I doubt he gave a 2nd thought to our club since the day he head out the door en route to Newcastle.

As they say, nice guys finish last. Wayne Bennett never finishes last.

With the utmost respect Nick ( refer to bold ).

At the end of the day, a coach has a job to do, given the cattle and circumstances in front of him. He should engage that club for the term of his teniour ( sic), with vigour and passion. He did that. Whether or not he feels bad re our collapse after the event or not, is really not the issue. Yes, he is clinical.

I totally get the anguish with fans that felt "dudded" after the event. However, that fault does not lie with Wayne. We as a club, should have been prepared for the inevitable ( rise in cost of our players ) , replacements, etc.

But for Vas, with all his passion to suggest, imply, that it was " intentional " is either just a bad choice of wording, or non-sense.

 

[TruSaint]

Sorry I was typing simultaneously...

 

[Vasilevsky]

- quite a few young players left due to havingtoo many options ahead of them. Bennett didnt drive them out, they left for opportunity elsewhere. However, he did oversea the introduction of some fantastic talents in Merrin, Stanley and King (the latter two obviously stalled due to injury but theres no doubt the talent was there).
- long term contract extensions were done by Young, not Bennett (you can include the long term, high price re-signings of Hunt and Rein in the same category). In addition, noone would have seen the decline of Cooper, Young or Hornby at that point, and TBH their decline was due to the coaching of Price than anything.
- to he fair, Price had an impressive resume, including an extended apprenticeship under Bennett and premiership wins in lower grades. Regardless, Bennett simply recommended him, lack of due dilligence in signing and re-signing him came 100% from the club management.

Your arguments dont actually have any facts to support them...

You are merely stating your opinions. The writing was on the wall for Hornby, Young, Fien and Cooper in Bennetts final year as coach. He was head coach when they were signed to long-term contract extensions when previously he had been known for pushing players out one year too early rather than one year too late. Ruthless but if one wants a successful club, certainly good. This then frees up spaces for young players coming through so teams like the Broncos never nose-dived as the Dragons did.

Anyway, could I at least ask you start a new thread where you can drool over an enemy coach if you won't take it to the forum for the team he coaches? And please take the one who isn't so smart (BrissyRedV) with you.

Capiche?

 

[Vasilevsky]

I agree, he did his job. I'm just pointing out that any remaining sentiment for him is purely one way.

I think you once again hit the nail right on the head.

 

[Mr Red]

i vote nonsense.

 

[TruSaint]

Oh well.

All I can say is Vas, you obviously have a real love for the Club, and credit to you. Seeing the commercial realities maybe a tad either outside your area of expertise, or turning a blind eye.

No offence meant.

I gather it is the later. Most succesfulfull premiemship winning teams have suffered as a result of those successes. We are not brisbane to call on a pool of talent 10 times that of ours.

 

[possm]

I don't think anyone can question Vas' support for the Dragons. Some of his opinions are a bit absurd but his heart is in the right place.



I don't think it's that far from the mark. I don't believe he maliciously left the club in a bad position but I also don't think he was overly concerned about how he left us either.

He got us that Premiership. Will always love him for that, but can't hide from the truth. Wayne Bennett has proven to be all about Wayne Bennett and really only has loyalty to whoever is writing his pay cheque. It's clear he had no interest in handing over the team with in a position to progress beyond his tenure. Ageing roster, no succession planning, dud coach...

As much as we love and revere Wayne, I doubt he gave a 2nd thought to our club since the day he head out the door en route to Newcastle.

As they say, nice guys finish last. Wayne Bennett never finishes last.

Bennett asked for a 5 year deal and was offerred a 3 year deal. After winning the comp. in his second year, the Dragons chased him hard for an extension but the ship had sailed. His value was much higher than the 750k he previously agreed upon and so he moved on.

I too believe Bennett is all about Bennett and the dollars but who could blame him. Brisbane is where his loyalty has alwasys been however, he was always the professional coach at his time at the Dragons.

 

[TruSaint]

Bennett asked for a 5 year deal and was offerred a 3 year deal. After winning the comp. in his second year, the Dragons chased him hard for an extension but the ship had sailed. His value was much higher than the 750k he previously agreed upon and so he moved on.

I too believe Bennett is all about Bennett and the dollars but who could blame him. Brisbane is where his loyalty has alwasys been however, he was always the professional coach at his time at the Dragons.

Nicely put as usual possm

 

[watatank]

Even if Bennett wanted and got a five year deal I doubt he stays for that long, especially if he wins a premiership after year two. He had a four year deal with Newcastle and left after three years.

 

[TruSaint]

Even if Bennett wanted and got a five year deal I doubt he stays for that long, especially if he wins a premiership after year two. He had a four year deal with Newcastle and left after three years.

Point is what ?

Drugcastle hadnt paid players, support staff for years. They were on the brink .

Why would he stay?

 

[Vasilevsky]

Bennett asked for a 5 year deal and was offerred a 3 year deal. After winning the comp. in his second year, the Dragons chased him hard for an extension but the ship had sailed. His value was much higher than the 750k he previously agreed upon and so he moved on.

I too believe Bennett is all about Bennett and the dollars but who could blame him. Brisbane is where his loyalty has alwasys been however, he was always the professional coach at his time at the Dragons.

Even if I am wrong in 'my opinion' that he was plotting against the long-term success of the club while still coaching it, there is no question the above is true. Bennett couldn't give a f**k about the Dragons. To him just an enemy club. Why do Dragons supporters openly drool over him on a Dragons forum??? It's sickening:crazy:.

I think among some Dragons supporters there is a real inferiority complex vis-a-vis Brisbane and Melbourne. I would just urge those homies who suffer from it to get over it and quickly. From next year Melbourne are going to cop a good old-fashioned blood-letting against the Dragons and Brisbane won't fare much better. Frizzell, Thompson and Matthews are going to give those midget halves nightmares.

Robbie Farah will be on board to time the passes perfectly so Frizzell, Thompson and Matthews can hit the midgets one on one and then viciously sledge them when Frizzell, Thompson and Matthews leave stud marks on their faces.

And after all that, give Wayne Bennett the finger.