Eagles - Eels Quick post match analysis

[Casper The Ghost]

Our weak points in defence tonight were Morgan, Maguire, Loko, Burt and Hayne

All forwards bar Webb played well - Webb looks very unfit - needs lots of game time to build up strength and stamina otherwise its time to retire.

Bar a few magic moments our backs in attack were average.

Not spectacular but Keating played very well for 80 minutes - he is getting better & better

Fui, Smith, Horo, Hindy, Allgood, Shack, Keating, Mannah all played well - gave them 7/10

Webb got a 3/10 - 2 points for turning up and 1 point for running on the field

Robson defended very well and his attack at times was excellent - he distributed the ball and organised the pack very well - I also gave him a 7/10

Morgan & Atkins - not keen on either them being in this squad for the rest of the year. With more experience and body weight am confident Morgan we'll become a very good and reliable NRL standard back. Though he was safe in the air and defended well I say kiss goodbye to Atkins ASAP. We need a much better strike player on the wing with a lot of size, power & speed. Who have we got to replace him? Both got a 6/10

Loko is a superstar in the making. His moments of brilliance are on the increase within each game he plays. WOW 2013 and 2012, just not sure how big a WOW for next year. 7/10

Hayne played very well gave him 7/10 would have got 8/10 if it wasn't for a few stuff ups, not being there to stop that last try - kicking out on the full twice - throwing a forward pass at the end of the game.

Burt got a 5/10 tonight - played a shocker. He had an off night.

Maguire got a 6/10 played well in patches

 

[Chipmunk]

I wouldn't swap Hayne for any player in the world but you have to admit that at times he is lazy especially with his urgency is defence. Maybe he is just tired but it does look lazy. Plenty can see it.

I can not see how he wouldve been tired after 3 minutes tonight. His casualness to get to the ball caused him to go into touch and set up Manly for their first try. At the end of the day it was the difference in the match....and it happened in the third minute

 

[Forty20]

Our weak points in defence tonight were Morgan, Maguire, Loko, Burt and Hayne

All forwards bar Webb played well - Webb looks very unfit - needs lots of game time to build up strength and stamina otherwise its time to retire.

Bar a few magic moments our backs in attack were average.

Not spectacular but Keating played very well for 80 minutes - he is getting better & better

Fui, Smith, Horo, Hindy, Allgood, Shack, Keating, Mannah all played well - gave them 7/10

Webb got a 3/10 - 2 points for turning up and 1 point for running on the field

Robson defended very well and his attack at times was excellent - he distributed the ball and organised the pack very well - I also gave him a 7/10

Morgan & Atkins - not keen on either them being in this squad for the rest of the year. With more experience and body weight am confident Morgan we'll become a very good and reliable NRL standard back. Though he was safe in the air and defended well I say kiss goodbye to Atkins ASAP. We need a much better strike player on the wing with a lot of size, power & speed. Who have we got to replace him? Both got a 6/6

Loko is a superstar in the making. His moments of brilliance are on the increase within each game he plays. WOW 2013 and 2012, just not sure how big a WOW for next year. 7/7

Hayne played very well gave him 7/7 would have got 8/7 if it wasn't for a few stuff ups, not being there to stop that last try - kicking out on the full twice - throwing a forward pass at the end of the game.

Burt got a 5/5 tonight - played a shocker. He had an off night.

Maguire got a 6/7 played well in patches

So Hayne, Morgan, Atkins, Loko and Burt all scored 100% tonight?

You're pretty generous with the ratings there

 

[Poupou Escobar]

i know next year is a long way away but chuck a dominate halves pperformance in there like sandows and we beat manly by 20 , same as the dragons last week

I think we definitely would have another 4 or 5 wins this year with Sandow. But don't forget Sandow doesn't defend as well as Robson.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hayne ... not being there to stop that last try

He was across in cover heading toward Williams.

He had to stop and turn around to even be moving toward the kick.

 

[yy_cheng]

Our weak points in defence tonight were Morgan, Maguire, Loko, Burt and Hayne

All forwards bar Webb played well - Webb looks very unfit - needs lots of game time to build up strength and stamina otherwise its time to retire.

Bar a few magic moments our backs in attack were average.

Not spectacular but Keating played very well for 80 minutes - he is getting better & better

Fui, Smith, Horo, Hindy, Allgood, Shack, Keating, Mannah all played well - gave them 7/10

Webb got a 3/10 - 2 points for turning up and 1 point for running on the field

Robson defended very well and his attack at times was excellent - he distributed the ball and organised the pack very well - I also gave him a 7/10

Morgan & Atkins - not keen on either them being in this squad for the rest of the year. With more experience and body weight am confident Morgan we'll become a very good and reliable NRL standard back. Though he was safe in the air and defended well I say kiss goodbye to Atkins ASAP. We need a much better strike player on the wing with a lot of size, power & speed. Who have we got to replace him? Both got a 6/10

Loko is a superstar in the making. His moments of brilliance are on the increase within each game he plays. WOW 2013 and 2012, just not sure how big a WOW for next year. 7/10

Hayne played very well gave him 7/10 would have got 8/10 if it wasn't for a few stuff ups, not being there to stop that last try - kicking out on the full twice - throwing a forward pass at the end of the game.

Burt got a 5/10 tonight - played a shocker. He had an off night.

Maguire got a 6/10 played well in patches

I am not a fan of Morgan and Atkins either and Burt is starting to show his time is up.
I've always said run some big wingers at Burt and bomb to him because he does not want to get injured so close to retirement and won't put his body on the line. It will cost us one day.

I was disappointed in Hindy's game too. He shouldn't take the 5th hitup and he stifled and slowed our momentum in attack. Someone like Horo, Fui or Mannah should take the 5th run as they have quick play the balls giving our kickers some time.

Lastly, wished we had a bit more speed in the backline. Brett Stewart and David Williams got us a few times with speed.


I also thought Hayne started playing alot like a 5/8th early in the first half. If we had a player like Nathan Gardner knocking on the door, it would be very interesting.

However, the boys played really well and since the loss of Mortz, we have done real well.

 

[yy_cheng]

He was across in cover heading toward Williams.

He had to stop and turn around to even be moving toward the kick.

I don't get why people are blaming Hayne either. The break was made and he was heading across in cover and was actually there if Williams kept going.

If he stood at the centre, people would've said he was lazy for not going across.

The lazy players were Morgan and Atkins as they are on the other side of the field so why not come across?

 

[hindy111]

Hayne thru 3 great passes ( 2 for tries)
Kicked a 40/20
Saved a try when got under the ball..

Yeah he kicked out on the full twice
And was out of position once.
Was still a terrific game

 

[Casper The Ghost]

So Hayne, Morgan, Atkins, Loko and Burt all scored 100% tonight?

You're pretty generous with the ratings there

You beat me before the edit kicked in. :lol: :sleeper::sleeper:

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I am not a fan of Morgan and Atkins either and Burt is starting to show his time is up.
I've always said run some big wingers at Burt and bomb to him because he does not want to get injured so close to retirement and won't put his body on the line. It will cost us one day.

I was disappointed in Hindy's game too. He shouldn't take the 5th hitup and he stifled and slowed our momentum in attack. Someone like Horo, Fui or Mannah should take the 5th run as they have quick play the balls giving our kickers some time.

Lastly, wished we had a bit more speed in the backline. Brett Stewart and David Williams got us a few times with speed.


I also thought Hayne started playing alot like a 5/8th early in the first half. If we had a player like Nathan Gardner knocking on the door, it would be very interesting.

However, the boys played really well and since the loss of Mortz, we have done real well.

This

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You beat me before the edit kicked in. :lol: :sleeper::sleeper:

That's okay Casper, I still give you a 1/1

 

[B-Tron 3000]

The 'no-look pass' has been around for a long time; it's just relatively new to rugby league.

Yeah but it has been around in games where it is of more use.

Basketball is the game where no-look passes are used all the time, and the advantage in basketball is that the possibilities for a pass can be up to 360 degrees, so to look one way and pass another can seriously fool a defence.

In league, no matter where you are on the field the options are limited, because you have to pass sideways. Most of the time players - particularly Hayne and Benji - throw no-lookers when they throw cut-out passes. It is obvious that these passes are going to the side they are running to, and so the defence just has to number up, regardless of where the passer is looking. And quite often the look-away is done very late anyway, and serves no purpose except to make the pass more difficult.

You like your risk v reward Poupou. The way that Hayne and Benji throw no-look cutouts is too risky for the benefits they may receive, as they can receive those benefits most of the time with a regular cut-out pass. If they were looking outside and passing inside, then that may be a different story.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You like your risk v reward Poupou. The way that Hayne and Benji throw no-look cutouts is too risky for the benefits they may receive, as they can receive those benefits most of the time with a regular cut-out pass. If they were looking outside and passing inside, then that may be a different story.

Well mate, these passes keep working, and they lead to very few intercepts.

The main thing is that they fool the defenders into thinking the attacker has changed his mind about the pass.

You might be surprised at how much these players make their decisions - in attack and defence - based on reading opponents' body language.

I remember reading a study about mens tennis, where basically nobody has reflexes good enough to return the serves that are coming down the court toward them. The reason so many serves are returned is because the players are able to predict - through reading the server's body language during the wind-up (or whatever it's called) - where the serve will land. The same thing is happening in baseball, where the batter is in large part predicting the location of the pitch based on reading the pitcher during delivery.

It's a game of inches (we saw that tonight) and every little advantage counts. I think some players should play with more risk because the reward:risk ratio is so much higher for these types. Hayne and Benji Marshall are two of those players.

 

[MrT]

That boy Jacob Gaggin will be our long term replacement for Burt. We don't need another winger.

Avenger, do you think gagn might be better than just a winger?
Wasn't he a gun fullback in SG Ball?

Arkins after high ball has nothing. Look how hard David Williams ran

 

[Casper The Ghost]

That's okay Casper, I still give you a 1/1

Thank you Poo Poo :shock:

 

[Wally21]

I'm a bit disappointed that some members are bagging the performance. I thought it was a great team effort. Sure there were some mistakes and we could all name 5 players we would swap, but they hung in there all night, at Brookvale, against one of the top 3 teams. I for one was very proud of them.

As for Hayne being lazy, having attitude problems etc. I wouldn't replace him with anyone. The knockers on this forum need to get a life. To say he should have tried harder on that last try, f**k, did you expect him to run 25 metres in world record time?

 

[B-Tron 3000]

Well mate, these passes keep working, and they lead to very few intercepts.

Yeah, but quite often Hayne and Benji also see their normal cut-out passes travel to the winger who strolls over, without the use of the no-looker.

And they also do plenty of no-lookers that hit the deck.

I'm not saying that they should NEVER do them, but they do them a lot, and I think they have both got into the habit of doing them and they sometimes do them when they are unnecessary.

The main thing is that they fool the defenders into thinking the attacker has changed his mind about the pass.

You might be surprised at how much these players make their decisions - in attack and defence - based on reading opponents' body language.

Hmmm I'm rethinking my thoughts on them in league now. Not because I am thinking about the body language fooling defenders - I totally understand the use of bady language in sport. That's what passing in basketball is all about - reading the opposition body language and spotting small gaps to flick passes through that wouldn't be there if the player was leaning or moving another way, and also making it look like you are going to pass somewhere else.

No, it was your comment that both attackers and defenders use body language. I think the benefit of them in league is that they allow the attacker the chance to read the defence and throw the appropriate pass based on what he is reading in front of him. In fact, I'd say that the ability to look at the defensive line and throw a pass at the same time is the MAIN benefit of the no-looker, as opposed to the main benefit being to fool the defence.

I still think they both overuse them.

 

[Fifty Metre Line]

Hayne should get none of the blame for that last try.

He wasn't out of position at all.
In fact, he was exactly where he was supposed to be - making sure Williams was covered in case he got through the line.

The kick was just a good one.
9 times out of 10 Williams would probably kick it dead, or to a Parra player, but tonight it just went where Manly needed it to go.
There probably should have been some cover for the kick on the inside from some other Parra players, but Hayne shouldn't have been one of them.

 

[Runaround Man]

Hayne thru 3 great passes ( 2 for tries)
Kicked a 40/20
Saved a try when got under the ball..

Yeah he kicked out on the full twice
And was out of position once.
Was still a terrific game

On Triple M sterlo and Joey gave Jarryd the Man of the Match - on a losing side. Mustn't have played too bad by the sound of it.

I just don't understand all these people on here bagging Hayne. All I can say is they have never played the game and they know nuffin'

 

[Agent Mulder]

Because of work i had to move to Dee Why last week, So i went to the game last night, Hard enough for an Eels fan living down the road from Brookvale Oval, But i was dirty we didnt win last night.

In the final 15 minutes we were all over them, I felt sorry for Casey McGuire cuz he had a good game and then lost the ball after a great 40/20.

Manly are a great side no doubt but we cut them up pretty easy last night and i felt we were the better side and looked to hold on for an 18-16 win, Parramatta have improved alot over the past few weeks and even if we dont make the 8 we will give some of the top 8 sides a hard time.

Still dirty we didnt get up.