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Eels' inquiry into alleged attempt to fix election

Poupou Escobar

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Well I don't believe in five year plans.

Potter has got the tigers going well within two years.

RS has turn the raiders into shit within 9 months.

Those clubs are starting from a different base. The Tigers have had a great 'academy' for years so they have a lot more options for replacing blokes in the top squad. Then again so do the Raiders. They are underperforming right now but they have plenty of young talent (time) to bring through. It's too soon to judge Sticky's performance there.

There are obviously off field problems at the Raiders but they are not necessarily Stuart's fault. The only solution might be to sack players, and they can't be replaced immediately.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I reckon Sharp was pretty clear that a 5 year plan is a good idea, but he didn't inherit one

Well I thought we were in agreement that talking about five year plans was a tactic used by new management for tempering expectations. So of course they're not going to credit the previous management with developing the foundation if they have instant success.

The fact that five year plans are a convenient tactic for reducing pressure doesn't mean they aren't also a reality - Sharp admitted as much. We are clearly benefitting from development done in previous years, and with so many quality young players we will benefit for years to come. Just like how we stayed competitive for years after Smith left us.

Did Hagan build the 2009 squad or was it left over from the guy who departed three years earlier?
 
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strider

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it was a tactic used by management - it was used as a reason to piss the coach off and hire a different one .... maybe it was the right thing to do, but it was just rubbish sprouted by duncan to justify what he wanted to happen
 

Poupou Escobar

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He wouldn't have wanted it to happen if it didn't need to be done. Our poor results in the following years were as much proof of the poor squad left over as they were proof of poor coaching.

Like Ricky Stuart proved at opposite ends of his career, the strength of the squad is far more important than the quality of the coach.
 

oldmancraigy

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More like Ricky is the test case that using the same tactics today as you used 10-15 years ago won't work because the game has changed.

His coaching method is a bit like your posting method, keep recycling the same crap, and if people find fault with it, accuse them of being small minded critics (maybe I used a bit of artistic leeway there?)
 

Poupou Escobar

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So you've just stated that a better coach would get better results than a lesser coach, and that we used the same tactics last year as the 2002 Roosters?
 
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oldmancraigy

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So you've just stated that a better coach would get better results than a lesser coach, and that we used the same tactics last year as the 2002 Roosters?

You forgot my key assertion:

- the game has changed since 2002.


It's probably also a valid point that he doesn't have the same type of players now, and so the same style couldn't work even if the game were exactly the same.
Bad coaches fail to adapt to their squad, they try and shoehorn their squad into perfoming a set pattern. I guess it's a fine line, since good coaches have an excellent set pattern that they can tweak to make work, but what makes them good is their dogged belief in their own system.
 

Maroubra Eel

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can i ask seriously ... you mentioning this guy is a st george supporter - do you think he is intentionally trying to screw the club over? ..... (and don't read anything into my post - i wouldn't have a fkn clue - wouldn't know the dude from a bar of soap - just wondering)

Did you get an answer?
 

EelsFan05

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You forgot my key assertion:

- the game has changed since 2002.


It's probably also a valid point that he doesn't have the same type of players now, and so the same style couldn't work even if the game were exactly the same.
Bad coaches fail to adapt to their squad, they try and shoehorn their squad into perfoming a set pattern. I guess it's a fine line, since good coaches have an excellent set pattern that they can tweak to make work, but what makes them good is their dogged belief in their own system.

And it's no coiceidence that Bellamy's retirement coincides prefectly with the pending retirements of his star players. He doesn't want to risk his coaching reputation at another club. He'd rather rest his success on a club the built it's culture on the back of once in a generation players kept together illegally. At least Stuart has no concern for the utter annilation of his credibility. Fat pay cheques help I suppose.
 
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From the SMH:

"Three former Eels employees have been identified as being central to the inquiry into allegations of systematic membership tampering and vote rigging at Parramatta Leagues Club, which has now been taken over by NSW Police.
Detectives told PLC chief executive Bevan Paul on Thursday they would begin their own investigation, armed with potentially damning CCTV footage and other digital records collected in an exhaustive internal club inquiry.
The development comes a month after The Herald revealed claims of extensive backdating and creating of fraudulent memberships in the lead-up to last year's PLC elections and a break-in and theft at the club's archives facility.
Paul confirmed on Friday the Eels' investigation, run by a former detective from the Major Crime Squad and IT personnel, was now complete and findings had been passed on to police.
Among the conclusions of the internal audit are:
186 memberships were tampered with to varying degrees, from backdating genuine memberships on the club database (members must be financial for three years to vote) to the fraudulent creation of new memberships;
46 people with memberships found to have been tampered with attended this year's annual general meeting on May 5, where a raft of resolutions proposed by the PLC board were defeated and chairman Steve Sharp was heckled. The 46 accounted for more than 20 per cent of the total attendees at the AGM;
33 of the members had memberships that were not paid as required by the Registered Clubs Act, not board approved as required by the club constitution, had their joining dates backdated permitting them to vote, had a photograph that was not taken at the club as required, and swiped their card and were shown on CCTV footage to have attended the AGM;
12 of those 46 who attended the AGM asked on the night to be given a new membership card with a new photo, according to statements from club employees and membership records.
The tampering of records is understood to have mainly taken place on April 4 and April 5, 2013, just weeks before the PLC elections on May 11, and the Eels investigation has found that the bulk of the transactions in question were conducted on a single club laptop computer. It has also been discovered that an additional card printer was purchased, leading those involved in the inquiry to believe that much of the fradulent activity took place remotely.
Police have been told the names of three former Parramatta employees who could potentially assist them with their investigation.
While police are now involved and have been given evidence relating to 33 of the memberships over potential breaches of the Crimes Act, Parramatta are also likely to write to the full 186 members in question and ask them to substantiate their credentials. They face having their memberships cancelled and being excluded from the Leagues Club if they cannot provide evidence supporting the legitimacy of their membership.
The Herald reported last month that many of the memberships found to have been tampered with belonged to family members, friends and associates of former PLC chairman Roy Spagnolo, whose four-year reign ended when he was beaten in a closely contested election in May 2013.
Six of the memberships backdated to set a joining date in March 2010 have the surname Spagnolo. Others include Spagnolo's brother-in-law Patrick Agostino, Spagnolo's friend Roy Mittiga and six others with that surname, real estate agent Pat Sergi and three other Sergis, relatives of Spagnolo's friends George Gaitanos and Vince Lombardo and the porn king Con Ange.
Three Libertinis were also among the altered memberships found. PLC director Mario Libertini resigned at last month's board meeting, citing increased work commitments.
Spagnolo, banned last October from holding PLC directorship for two years, remains chairman of the Parramatta District Rugby League Club.
Meanwhile, the NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing, which was already investigating alleged improprieties from the Spagnolo administration, is understood to have widened the scope of its inquiry into Parramatta to take in other matters including the Eels' findings on alleged vote rigging.
"OLGR continues to progress its investigation which it will finalise as soon as it is in a position to do so," a spokesperson for OLGR said."




http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/three-exeels-staff-in-crosshairs-as-police-take-over-vote-rig-investigation-20140627-zsnrx.html
 

Twizzle

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well at least getting the cops in should get it sorted once and for all and get the crooks sorted out
 

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